posted December 13, 2019 07:18 AM            

Is this true?

I believe Sun & Moon alter the traits so what Sun/Moon signs will stabilise a Sag rising?

posted December 13, 2019 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Whenever I read up on Sag rising, I always saw descriptions saying they have a roving heart - always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side, or they may have 2 partners at the same time. Sounds like it's really hard to get them to stay faithful.

Is this true?

I believe Sun & Moon alter the traits so what Sun/Moon signs will stabilise a Sag rising?

My guy has Libra Moon which is again a flirty sign and Virgo Sun.

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It's not true for me.

I am faithful/committed, but I heard there are some other type of Sag rising. I kind of the student/learner type.

posted December 13, 2019 01:36 PM            

My chart ruler Jupiter is in sag conjunct Uranus in the 12th.

My Mercury in Virgo rules my DC and falls in my 9th house and opposes my moon in pisces so my 7th house ruler is extremely Mutable and has no fixed energy nor saturn influence.

Then add that I love intensely and hard and have a strong desire nature with venus conjunct mars in leo in the 8th house so I can love more than one person and love each deeply in a unique way.

I thought that the issue was the grass is greener on the other side mentality for a while there. Yet I am wise enough to know the grass is not greener on the other side, is just green in many different interesting spots through out the world and each has its own interesting shade of green and something unique to offer that lights me up in a different way and Saggitarius enjoys new experiences and to explore new territory.

But society tells you that you can only love one person at a time, society will even go as far as telling you how dare you still have feelings for an ex if you are involved with someone new unless your ex is dead then is okay to still have feelings for them.

Libras are actually good at monogamy, this comes naturally to them, they are wired for it, a Libra who is not will have an expansive or restless 7H ruler imo. My husband has DC in scorpio with pluto in Libra in the 6H sextile Venus in the 4th which rules his chart and he is wired for monogamy 💯, in spite of having venus square Uranus with Uranus on his DC. He also has Sun in Libra and Moon in Cancer, there is a strong Libra/Cancer theme in his chart and his sun conjuncts his exalted saturn in Libra too. I think the 7H ruler is more telling so check your boyfriend's 7H ruler, what is it doing in his chart?

posted December 14, 2019 01:24 AM            

My guy's chart ruler Jupiter is in Cancer conjunct Mars in 7th/8th houses trine Scorpio Uranus sextile Virgo Mercury/MC square Libra Pluto. His 7th Mercury conjunct MC sextile Mars/Jupiter/Uranus square Sag Neptune.

He also has Venus-Saturn in Leo 9H conjunct MC.

posted December 14, 2019 01:27 AM            

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I was with a man for many years, as in we would hook up every once in a while. It wasn't too often as he would often fly to NYC, Hong Kong, London and other cities for work. He has a lot of Libra in his chart, he so had a lot of lovers at every port he flew into.. I'd have seen him more, but he had way too many options to choose from. Right after his wedding when his new wife was 3 months pregnant, he was still living the single life without her knowing.

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posted December 14, 2019 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I was with a man for many years, as in we would hook up every once in a while. It wasn't too often as he would often fly to NYC, Hong Kong, London and other cities for work. He has a lot of Libra in his chart, he so had a lot of lovers at every port he flew into.. I'd have seen him more, but he had way too many options to choose from. Right after his wedding when his new wife was 3 months pregnant, he was still living the single life without her knowing.

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posted December 14, 2019 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Whenever I read up on Sag rising, I always saw descriptions saying they have a roving heart - always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side, or they may have 2 partners at the same time. Sounds like it's really hard to get them to stay faithful.

Is this true?

I believe Sun & Moon alter the traits so what Sun/Moon signs will stabilise a Sag rising?

My guy has Libra Moon which is again a flirty sign and Virgo Sun.

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posted December 14, 2019 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@Hypatia,

Thanks for sharing this! I understand having feelings for more than 1 person but I don't think I'm able to love 2 guys at the same time, e.g. I still have a soft spot for my ex but I don't think I still love him the way I did. My 7th in Sagittarius ruler Jupiter in Aries 11H trine Moon/Neptune sextile ASC square Saturn opposite Pluto.

My guy's chart ruler Jupiter is in Cancer conjunct Mars in 7th/8th houses trine Scorpio Uranus sextile Virgo Mercury/MC square Libra Pluto. His 7th Mercury conjunct MC sextile Mars/Jupiter/Uranus square Sag Neptune.

He also has Venus-Saturn in Leo 9H conjunct MC.

What does it say of his love style?

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At the end of the day its not impossible regardless of strong tendencies in the chart that point to restlessness in love for a person to be faithful.

I was faithful to my husband for 4 years and then I pushed over and over again for us to have an open relationship and our relationship is currently closed and I am determined to be faithful. I accept myself as I am, I understand that I am restless in love and accept this about my nature but I chose now not to act on my restlessness and just recognize it in me when it re-surfaces and just let it pass without acting on it. I cannot promise that I will not catch feelings if someone crosses my path I have a strong attraction for but I can try my best not to act on those feelings and just let them pass. I can also not look for anything that is romantic in nature. Also, someone can have a restless nature in love and through life experiences grow in wisdom and let go of unhealthy patterns that involve unfaithfulness and change. Essentially such person can learn that this route is not a real solution.

Most of my exes I don't have any feelings for, there is only one that I kept having strong feelings for many years after it was over, for easily a decade later and a part of me will always care about him. This person and I had an out of this world intense connection, not the kind you can completely forget, if twinflames exist which I don't think they do HE was it. I think anyone who has venus in scorpio or in the 8th house or venus conjunct pluto tends to have at least one love in their life that they loss who they never forget about all the way. There is also an ex lover who is now dead I will probably always care for too.

Thanks for appreciating what I share with you, that means a lot.

"My 7th in Sagittarius ruler Jupiter in Aries 11H trine Moon/Neptune sextile ASC square Saturn opposite Pluto."

I am not sure if your 7H ruler is super restless, what is popping in my head is that you are the type that can stay friends with an ex and transition to caring for them as friends so that is AWESOME, sounds ideal to me BUT with that Jupiter opposing Pluto is possible some of them will not be able to handle been friends with you even though your preference is to be friends after it ends, some of them may have bitterness towards you.

"My guy's chart ruler Jupiter is in Cancer conjunct Mars in 7th/8th houses trine Scorpio Uranus sextile Virgo Mercury/MC square Libra Pluto. His 7th Mercury conjunct MC sextile Mars/Jupiter/Uranus square Sag Neptune.

He also has Venus-Saturn in Leo 9H conjunct MC."

posted December 14, 2019 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I just bumped his chart up hypatia..

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Thanks! I remember you doing a thread on this wild creature in the past lol

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posted December 15, 2019 06:02 AM            

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At the end of the day its not impossible regardless of strong tendencies in the chart that point to restlessness in love for a person to be faithful.

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You're right, it's mind over matter whether we wanna pursue our feelings. For me I'm a stick-in-the-mud when I love someone. My chart ruler Mercury in Taurus 12H sextile Cancer Saturn 2H.

My guy has admitted to me that he finds a lot of gals attractive but may not feel an urge to pursue a relationship with them and you're right he gets attached easily. I remember one of the first things he said to me was he felt attached to me, but he ran it as he felt vulnerable. He pushed me away. It was only until he almost lost me that he pulled me back and became very serious. He also used to be flirtatious but he has stopped all such behaviour because that was the thing that pushed me away in the past. But I always wonder... Will he get tired of me one day and start flirting again? How will you interpret his 7th?

posted December 15, 2019 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
You're right, it's mind over matter whether we wanna pursue our feelings. For me I'm a stick-in-the-mud when I love someone. My chart ruler Mercury in Taurus 12H sextile Cancer Saturn 2H.

My guy has admitted to me that he finds a lot of gals attractive but may not feel an urge to pursue a relationship with them and you're right he gets attached easily. I remember one of the first things he said to me was he felt attached to me, but he ran it as he felt vulnerable. He pushed me away. It was only until he almost lost me that he pulled me back and became very serious. He also used to be flirtatious but he has stopped all such behaviour because that was the thing that pushed me away in the past. But I always wonder... Will he get tired of me one day and start flirting again? How will you interpret his 7th?

You're so accurate with my 7th! I can stay friends with exes and flings but they almost always want more from me and some can get bitter.

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I don't know if the chart ruler in the 12H is why you are stick in the mud with love, a 12H chart ruler can do secret affairs but with it sextile to saturn that may help with discipline in channeling that in a more socially acceptable way. For example, since saturn rules the house of career maybe you have a career related to 12th house matters, e.g at hospital, social work, at a prison etc...Also, Have you lasted over 4 years with someone? bc that is when my restless side really started to pop up more and become harder to ignore...that is when the 7H ruler challenges became more evident in my nature.

What is JUNO doing in chart? both my partner and I have Juno in hard aspect to Saturn and we are both stick in the mud with love hence why we have lasted 13 years in March now, we also have a stellium in the 8H in composite and Saturn septile Venus in composite with saturn squaring the nodes so plenty of binding aspects that make it hard for us to break away from each other. I guess I am trying to say in my case I have stick in the mud in love aspects but also restlessness stuff tied to my relationship stuff bc my 7H ruler is very restless but yet I have venus in the 8th house and juno opposite saturn which makes it more likely for me to stick it out the long haul in spite of my restlessness, so it can get complicated as my chart shows values that conflict one another...

For what is worth having a partner who keeps you in check and is paying attention helps and having a satisfying sex life and good sexual chemistry with the person you are involved with also helps a lot keeping that restlessness in check ime, if I was truly satisfied in that area I wouldn't wonder around I feel. My partner and I have very different sex drives and sexual nature but we are compatible in so many other ways so is hard to end it just based off of that, not to mention the strong bond we have and that we love each other but its tough. I know this is a common issue though in many marriages.

Let me revisit his 7H ruler aspects again:

"His 7th Mercury conjunct MC sextile Mars/Jupiter/Uranus square Sag Neptune."

Mercury rules his 7th house and he has Gemini on his DC which yes I feel that is already a sign he will grow restless once the relationship really settles down specially when you add it sextiles his Jupiter conjunct Uranus.

Its up to him though but he will struggle internally with that restlessness, he may choose not to act on it but it will be this ongoing issue he struggles with that comes and goes, there could be periods were he is calm and behaves and than out nowhere he starts to feel restless again but he could let that urge pass and not act on it.

posted December 16, 2019 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I don't know if the chart ruler in the 12H is why you are stick in the mud with love, a 12H chart ruler can do secret affairs but with it sextile to saturn that may help with discipline in channeling that in a more socially acceptable way. For example, since saturn rules the house of career maybe you have a career related to 12th house matters, e.g at hospital, social work, at a prison etc...

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But my chart ruler is Taurus and the only aspect it makes is a sextile to Saturn in 2H so I'm guessing that's the reason why I'm a stick-in-the-mud when it comes to love. I can be in a r/s that's not really working or beneficial to me yet I'd stick it out and not look at any other guys at all. I find it really silly, tbh... I don't like secret affairs. I find it constricting as I've to pretend & hide. I worked in a hospital for years so the 12th house is most likely showing that.

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Also, Have you lasted over 4 years with someone? bc that is when my restless side really started to pop up more and become harder to ignore...that is when the 7H ruler challenges became more evident in my nature.

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My longest was about 7yrs and this is a good e.g. of how stick-in-the-mud I am in love. The r/s started to become "murky" in the last 3yrs... he was in/out of my life, yet I stuck to him! Friends all said I was silly... and in hindsight, I was really silly. Should've moved on much earlier.

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What is JUNO doing in chart?

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I've Juno in Taurus 12H conjunct Gemini SN square Pisces MC. If you consider minor aspects. My Juno also quintile Pisces Mars semi-square Aries Jupiter.

My guy also has 12H Juno but in Scorpio (our angles are flipped). It squares his Leo Venus/Saturn conjunction, sextile Virgo Sun, opposite Taurus Lilith.

Btw, his Lilith conjunct my Juno. Do you know what that means?

We have Juno opposite Juno 2°. Interestingly, we also have Valentine opposite Valentine 2° in 7H. In fact, we have a number of other asteroids in opposing signs.

In composite we have a huge Cancer stellium in 5th trine Scorpio Moon in 9th and sextile Taurus Mars in 3rd. We also have Saturn square Nodes! What's your experience with this aspect? We also have it in synastry.

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For what is worth having a partner who keeps you in check and is paying attention helps and having a satisfying sex life and good sexual chemistry with the person you are involved with also helps a lot keeping that restlessness in check ime,

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Yes, I think sex is a very important component in any love r/s. I've seen marriages broke down because sex became almost non-existent between them. I've a friend who almost NEVER have sex with her husband of 10yrs. They don't even kiss or have any form of intimacy... but their marriage continued. She said they're like friends. I don't think I can ever be happy in such a r/s as I've strong need for intimacy. This will be a likely scenario where my heart will get restless.

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Mercury rules his 7th house and he has Gemini on his DC which yes I feel that is already a sign he will grow restless once the relationship really settles down specially when you add it sextiles his Jupiter conjunct Uranus.

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posted December 16, 2019 12:05 PM            

Unless your chart ruler is aspecting your 7H I don't think that is what is showing that you are a stick in mud gal when it comes to love, I would look at your Juno, even Venus or the 7H ruler for how you are in committed relationships.

posted December 16, 2019 12:08 PM            

Well you did get out of it, there are people that stay in truly bad relationships for way longer than 7 years (e.g. 20) so feel proud of yourself girl! I respect you stick it out though, I think that is a good thing but yes you have to know also when the cons out weight the pros and cut your losses. I respect people that fight for their relationship, you don't last 40 plus years without fighting for a relationship and sticking it out.

"I've Juno in Taurus 12H conjunct Gemini SN"

Well that could definitely explain why you have a hard time letting go of a relationship even after it has played out its purpose, you tend to keep holding unto it bc once a upon a time it was great, you hold on to what it was and hope you can get there again but knowing when you have outgrown a relationship is maybe part of the lessons you are here to learn.

"My guy also has 12H Juno but in Scorpio (our angles are flipped). It squares his Leo Venus/Saturn conjunction, sextile Virgo Sun, opposite Taurus Lilith."

Juno in scorpio square Saturn will stick it out regardless of his restless nature this will make him more incline to stay and not end a marriage.

"We have Juno opposite Juno 2°. Interestingly, we also have Valentine opposite Valentine 2° in 7H. In fact, we have a number of other asteroids in opposing signs."

posted December 16, 2019 12:17 PM            

Saturn square nodes is a strong longevity marker typically when in composite, you will stick it out and your relationship will pass the test of time, well the odds are higher with this aspect. I have this with my ex too in addition to having it with my husband and like I said I still had feelings for him many years later. Saturn squaring the nodes in composite is a very powerful IME.

posted December 17, 2019 02:36 AM            

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Well that could definitely explain why you have a hard time letting go of a relationship even after it has played out its purpose, you tend to keep holding unto it bc once a upon a time it was great, you hold on to what it was and hope you can get there again but knowing when you have outgrown a relationship is maybe part of the lessons you are here to learn.

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This is a BIG BIG lesson I repeatedly learned. I remember 3 past relationships where I had a really hard time letting go and friends think I was crazy. So with my current guy I had to consciously loosen my grip. He didn't waltz in/out of my life unlike my ex. I even tested him. However, I realised I've developed a phobia due to past experiences and find myself wanting to run away because I believe a rolling snowball's gonna hit me.

So based on your interpretations of both our Junos, I guess we're both sticklers for different reasons? Lol.

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Awww that sounds really cute!

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I know right! 😁 Just wonder if this is positive? I've read that Juno and Valentine in harmonious aspects are nice but what about the opposites? Is it like 'opposites attract' or a clash?

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Saturn square nodes is a strong longevity marker typically when in composite, you will stick it out and your relationship will pass the test of time, well the odds are higher with this aspect. I have this with my ex too in addition to having it with my husband and like I said I still had feelings for him many years later. Saturn squaring the nodes in composite is a very powerful IME.

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I'm so glad to know that this aspect CAN work as I keep reading negative interpretations of it although they also say it's binding... happy to know it's not always bad.

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I hear you girl! Well in my case we are very affectionate with one another, hug a lot, hold hands, kiss, and tell each other I love you often, and we are very intimate as far as our bond and connection goes and how well we know each other ect, we talk about anything at all and are completely ourselves with another, we feel very comfortable with each other so is not this loveless dry marriage either, I would have left years ago if it was as I cannot handle that at all with venus in Leo, is just not very sexual which is important to me too but is a warm relationship for sure, we both have venus in leo conjunct and venus rules his chart and venus conjuncts my IC ruler and falls in my 8H and his venus falls in his 4th...we spend basically all our free time together, we hang out together more than the average couple I feel. He gets sad every Sunday bc I go back to work Monday and is less time with me lol so there is this sweetness about us for sure, mind you I have 3 day weekends and we are going on 13 years together and he still wants to spend all this time with me.

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And I'm jelly! You've a very nice r/s, Hypatia. I agree intimacy goes beyond sex.. little touches/kisses/hugs go a looooonnnggg way with me and I need them.

posted December 17, 2019 02:39 PM            

That is interesting about your guy needing that affection from you but it doesn't come naturally to him to give out that affection bc his venus although in leo is altered by saturn which cools off the expressive nature of leo, aspects and house placements I feel over ride the sign placement or alter it significantly.

posted December 17, 2019 02:39 PM            

That is interesting about your guy needing that affection from you but it doesn't come naturally to him to give out that affection bc his venus although in leo is altered by saturn which cools off the expressive nature of leo, aspects and house placements I feel over ride the sign placement or alter it significantly.