posted January 13, 2020 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@hypatia238

slow stuff just makes me feel impatient is all

this transit and that eclipse feel sort of like an overhyped movie, everyone goes on about it and it's like "yeah that was cool but it didnt need to be 3 hours and i've seen better" and maybe it's just that things have just hit that tipping point of no return

i get that, and i get that it's the sort of thing that can happen silently too, so it is what it is

i know i've changed, i understand that, but i feel like that sort of thing is inevitable when you go through **** isnt it? growth just sort of happens

i'm happy don't get me wrong, very much so happy to be moving forward but i feel impatient all the same because there's a lot i just want done that isn't and will take time

it's not the best given my moon sign you know? but thank you, and you just sort of touched on a lot of the synchronicty **** ive been getting anyway with one phase ending and a new one beginning that's going to be way different

i don't mean to talk like i'm downplaying things i just don't really feel like there's a choice in this situation, sink or swim essentially and sinking isn't exactly a pleasant option

it's arguably a lot harder to willingly drown at a certain point than it is to avoid it

that's all i mean, i see my options and this is easier than the other thing even if it doesnt seem it because the other thing is absolutely miserable and i know because of where i've been in the past and **** i've seen

i honestly have a very hard time grasping it when people say choosing to keep going is a choice or a matter of strength or something because it just feels like what you do because life goes on regardless at a certain point

i feel the same way when people tell me im strong for dealing with my health issues it's just sort of like "well if you have to then you learn to" and it doesnt seem like much of anything

idk, i don't really see it as downplaying anything, and like i said don't get me wrong i'm happy and all that and i know my life is heading in a different direction than what i've been used to and so on

but it doesn't really feel like i've done much of anything other than what i've had to in order to deal with situations i was in

like i said that relationship was karmic but **** changed, the obligation left, our paths split

it was just how **** is

idk maybe we can just blame my sun square saturn or cap mars or something because it doesnt feel like much to do necessary things when there aren't other options

and i know youre saying i had a choice here but doing what i was doing much longer isn't really much of a choice

to me anyway

so i am appreciative and all that, i just see it like this is what i always do when i don't have other options and ******* around isn't on the table

i read that link btw, i'm too curious a person to not click and look at things

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posted January 14, 2020 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
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Hence ... one should be considering the potential manifestation of the 34 year cycle, rather than the short-lived impact of the conjunction itself. ... And those of us who are over the age of 35 can learn much about the manifestation of the upcoming cycle, by reviewing the events created in our lives during the last cycle.

For example ... I was born in November 1948, 15 months after the August 1947 Saturn-Pluto conjunction at Leo 14. [b]That conjunction was in my 11th house - and the first 34 years of my life were spent overcoming my in-born/instinctive tendency to avoid being responsible for supervising/managing others. ... Then, after the next conjunction on 8th November 1982 (at Libra 28, in my 2nd house) I've spent the last 37 years reaping the rewards of working as a manager/mentor of others. ... And the 2020 Capricorn conjunction (in my 4th house) will see me depart from this current life as a husband, father, grandfather and great-grandfather.

Thus, for me, the common/lifetime theme of these conjunctions has been "empowerment via accepting responsibility". ... I came into this life knowing the value of being a loner, and will leave having learned the value of being a team-player (as "promised" by Natal Saturn-in-Virgo/11th semi-novile Pluto-in-Leo/11th). [/B]

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I agree with you that is important to reflect on the last 34+ years and really take in the journey that this saturn conjunct pluto has taken us in and its impact on each of us. I have been doing this the past few days and revisiting my saturn return since I too have saturn conjunct pluto natally like you but am 36. I have saturn conjunct my 11H cusp exact and Pluto in the 10H and I have experienced this natal aspect strangely very different from you. In my case I had a strong interest in studying psychology early on and this innate interest in helping others overcome hardship, heal and reach "self-actualization." Pluto in the 10H is part of a golden yod with my moon and chiron so it fits. I never wanted to manage people or supervise but perhaps bc your conjunction falls in LEO your aspect manifested in wanting to lead/manage others but with me I have saturn in Scorpio and Pluto in Libra and enjoy the collaborate approach that comes with counseling and the intimacy that develops with this type of connection and working relationship, I prefer to influence in a more one on one set up, instead of managing a team.

posted January 14, 2020 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Hi All,

How are you feeling the Saturn-Pluto conjunction at the moment?

This full moon eclipse is a strong trigger to it also, what an intense week! I wrote an article about the energy of the conjunction:
http://askastrology.com/control-dramas/

With a nod to the Celestine Prophecy and the fabulous insights into human behaviour that I read about there in the 90s.

Who remembers that book? Where does Saturn-Pluto fall in your chart?

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I forgot to respond to this, the other night. I remember this book. Saturn is in my 9th, square Pluto in the 11th or 12th, depending on the chart used.

It's been the same as usual, for me, but locally, I've heard about two people who died or were missing (and then found dead).

One was a reclusive woman, who lived in a house we pass regularly - from the newspaper, I learned that she had a Masters in political science, and had lived in different parts of the country as a librarian. She was active in local politics, wherever she lived. She moved back to take care of her parents, and became reclusive after they died. Last September, her niece noticed that she hadn't been in her garden for a while, there were no lights on in the house, etc. She called the police, and she was found dead. Her house had been broken into, her arms were bound behind her back, and they think she died due to injuries. She was over 80. They're still trying to find out who did this to her, and when it happened. I didn't hear about this when it initially broke, because I was recovering from a bad burn, and was only sleeping and watching things on my laptop.

Today, it was announced that a missing boy had been recovered - his body was found in an empty house, crammed into the chimney, and it appears to be accidental, but still.

When my parents bought this place, it wasn't as built up. People would ride their horses down our street, and cut through our property to the woods behind us. Now more things like this are happening - although the boy wasn't as local as the woman, who was just a few long streets away. The body of a teenage girl was found here, November 2018, weeks after she went missing. She was found in the woods, and had been shot, not far from here. Saturn and Pluto are transiting my third house.

posted January 14, 2020 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
This is interesting. I have avoided the above all of my life, but it seems astrologically obvious (and also from the guidance I've gotten about past and probable future) that I can't and shouldn't avoid this indefinitely.

Mercury rules my 11th, is in Capricorn widely conjunct Cap Sun ruler of the 1st/Leo ASC. North Node in very early Virgo strongly cusping Leo and in the 1st. Ruler of North Node Sign, Mercury, being tied to the above pattern, as well as in a close trine to late 1st House Jupiter and trine to 2nd House Mars.

Sun trine Mars Jupiter conjunction.

Seems I am destined to at some point move into a facilitator or leader type role, despite my preference not to. (My preference would be to living in a small cabin up in Alaska with my family or at most with a small, intentional, egalitarian community, or on a spaceship or different world/system or different system of energies with my ET friends).

Part of the resistance is because during my last dive, I did wield a lot of power, authority, and influence, and while I used it mostly well most of the time, I did make some major goofs and experienced a lot of drama and turmoil due to my limited decisions, which was partially manipulated by cunning, corrupt, and self serving outside forces (both human and ET).

An otherwise accurate, long practicing psychic/intuitive told me that for now "I'm playing the waiting game due to current weather conditions." and it was mentioned, "when the Sun melts the ice" I would move into the role that I came in for. Also mentioned in this reading that in this life, I would climb to the top of the mountain, and that I had previously tried to climb to the top of the mountain two other times, came close, but fell, lost ground, and became temporarily wounded.

Same reader that told me that a powerful spiritual being named Michael was helping me (which she didn't consciously know, but I had called on Arch Angel Michael's help to deal with some strong but negative outside forces, and indeed "he" and his help did help quite a bit).

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posted January 14, 2020 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I agree with you that is important to reflect on the last 34+ years and really take in the journey that this saturn conjunct pluto has taken us in and its impact on each of us. I have been doing this the past few days and revisiting my saturn return since I too have saturn conjunct pluto natally like you but am 36. I have saturn conjunct my 11H cusp exact and Pluto in the 10H and I have experienced this natal aspect strangely very different from you. In my case I had a strong interest in studying psychology early on and this innate interest in helping others overcome hardship, heal and reach "self-actualization." Pluto in the 10H is part of a golden yod with my moon and chiron so it fits. I never wanted to manage people or supervise but perhaps bc your conjunction falls in LEO your aspect manifested in wanting to lead/manage others but with me I have saturn in Scorpio and Pluto in Libra and enjoy the collaborate approach that comes with counseling and the intimacy that develops with this type of connection and working relationship, I prefer to influence in a more one on one set up, instead of managing a team.

I do have venus in leo ruling my MC though but my venus falls in the 8H so again is like my leadership qualities are meant to shine in a hidden private way and not overtly. I am not meant to be a leader in the open but I am meant to be a leader behind the scenes I guess, influencing discretely. Sounds like an annoying placement for a LEO placement.

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posted January 14, 2020 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You would be surprised how many people choose to sink instead of swim.

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i don't know about that my ex is doing it, saw her sister do it etc and so on and i'm not entirely sure i'd call it a choice

lot of factors at play when mental illness is involved and hopelessness and whatnot

i believe in fate though too, so bit of that as well

i'm fortunate to not be in that position though, to not be that way, i appreciate that but i don't really feel like it's choice

like with drinking idk i just havent felt like it, there's been days where ive considered it but then didnt feel like it or get around to it and that's just all that there was to ****

that's all i mean about it being surprisingly easy

posted January 14, 2020 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b] I agree with you that is important to reflect on the last 34+ years and really take in the journey that this saturn conjunct pluto has taken us in and its impact on each of us. I have been doing this the past few days and revisiting my saturn return since I too have saturn conjunct pluto natally like you but am 36. I have saturn conjunct my 11H cusp exact and Pluto in the 10H and I have experienced this natal aspect strangely very different from you. In my case I had a strong interest in studying psychology early on and this innate interest in helping others overcome hardship, heal and reach "self-actualization." Pluto in the 10H is part of a golden yod with my moon and chiron so it fits. I never wanted to manage people or supervise but perhaps bc your conjunction falls in LEO your aspect manifested in wanting to lead/manage others but with me I have saturn in Scorpio and Pluto in Libra and enjoy the collaborate approach that comes with counseling and the intimacy that develops with this type of connection and working relationship, I prefer to influence in a more one on one set up, instead of managing a team.

I do have venus in leo ruling my MC though but my venus falls in the 8H so again is like my leadership qualities are meant to shine in a hidden private way and not overtly. I am not meant to be a leader in the open but I am meant to be a leader behind the scenes I guess, influencing discretely. Sounds like an annoying placement for a LEO placement.

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posted January 14, 2020 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i don't know about that my ex is doing it, saw her sister do it etc and so on and i'm not entirely sure i'd call it a choice

lot of factors at play when mental illness is involved and hopelessness and whatnot

i believe in fate though too, so bit of that as well

i'm fortunate to not be in that position though, to not be that way, i appreciate that but i don't really feel like it's choice

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I don't think it's always a choice, either. I've been lucky that I've been able to pull myself back, though.

I'm not sure that I believe in fate, but then when I think of how my parents met, and certain people who just "fit" - for me, more friends and family, than anything else - it does make me wonder.

Oh, and I meant to say thank you, the other night, when you said that I can talk to you. I appreciate that.

posted January 14, 2020 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I needed to have this conversation with you, it helped me. Bless your heart Graham.

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posted January 14, 2020 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i don't know about that my ex is doing it, saw her sister do it etc and so on and i'm not entirely sure i'd call it a choice

lot of factors at play when mental illness is involved and hopelessness and whatnot

i believe in fate though too, so bit of that as well

i'm fortunate to not be in that position though, to not be that way, i appreciate that but i don't really feel like it's choice

like with drinking idk i just havent felt like it, there's been days where ive considered it but then didnt feel like it or get around to it and that's just all that there was to ****

that's all i mean about it being surprisingly easy

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I understand what you mean, there are people who have experienced Suicidal Ideation as early as the age of 3 years old and people that have been victims of ritual abuse since they were 5 and exposed to abuse until they moved out or ran away from home for over a decade ect but some of this people sink and some swim, some figure out how to thrive and survive and want to live in spite of it all and a big part of why this is the case is resilience, different perspectives and values and making different choices. Thinking you don't have a choice is part of what keeps people stuck in their negative cycle.

posted January 14, 2020 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I could relate to what you wrote before. I've never been one for managing others. I'm more interested in helping where I can. My Venus is in the 8th, too, and the ruler of my MC is the Sun, which is in the 6th house.

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posted January 14, 2020 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think it's always a choice, either. I've been lucky that I've been able to pull myself back, though.

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posted January 15, 2020 05:26 PM            

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"Karma needs to be understood, acknowledged, and it needs to be either resolved or dismissed. Karma accumulates when you feed it with energy; if you stop feeding it (that is, you cease to foment the hate, the pain, the guilt, or any other negative emotion), it usually dissolves by itself."

Samantha: But the heart is not like a box that gets filled up. It expands in size the more you love. I'm different from you. This doesn't make me love you any less. It actually makes me love you more.

Theodore Twombly: That doesn't make any sense. You are mine or you are not mine?

Samantha: No, Theodore. I'm yours and I'm not yours.

posted January 16, 2020 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think it's always a choice, either. I've been lucky that I've been able to pull myself back, though.

I'm not sure that I believe in fate, but then when I think of how my parents met, and certain people who just "fit" - for me, more friends and family, than anything else - it does make me wonder.

Oh, and I meant to say thank you, the other night, when you said that I can talk to you. I appreciate that.

I downloaded discord to my phone, but I've been dealing with so much food to sort, chop, juice, blend, cook... I've just sat down again, after making the filling for tofu burritos, and preparing the ingredients for the rest of the juice that I was supposed to make tonight, but will make tomorrow instead.

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i've had a lot of experiences that have suggested fate both through divination and other circumstances

so given that i lean towards it

np, i care about you and you'd do the same for me and no worries when we get around to talking we will

i use it on my phone myself

meal prepping is pretty exhausting that's why i dont bother

posted January 16, 2020 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I understand what you mean, there are people who have experienced Suicidal Ideation as early as the age of 3 years old and people that have been victims of ritual abuse since they were 5 and exposed to abuse until they moved out or ran away from home for over a decade ect but some of this people sink and some swim, some figure out how to thrive and survive and want to live in spite of it all and a big part of why this is the case is resilience, different perspectives and values and making different choices. Thinking you don't have a choice is part of what keeps people stuck in their negative cycle.

If you are saying you accidentally got better without going through an internal transformation that comes from ongoing deep self-reflection which results in you outgrowing old ways of thinking that trigger certain behavioral patterns in you and re-evaluating your values, gaining deeper insight into your negative cycle and what drives it, then you probably haven't truly changed and this is just a fluke. However, the sense that I get is that you are tired of the negative cycle you have been stuck in for years and are ready to let go, detoxify and live a sober life. Being sober is more than not doing drugs, is also about seeing things and life clearly, having realistic healthy expectations, and not chasing after anything or running from your problems or pain.

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my ex is like that first suicide attempt was at 7 been spiraling since, and yeah i don't think that's a choice so much as it's issues

i believe in fate but i don't think it keeps people in negative cycles necessarily, not anymore than being positive and making good choices keeps people from experiencing pain

i was in that, i learned from it and i moved forward

i see life in an all roads lead to rome sense, some things are just meant to be you can choose the path but you'll get there just the same

i think being stuck is just a matter of not learning what you need to before a door opens up for you to go elsewhere, like solving a puzzle in a video game to open a door to get to another part of the map

i don't think it's accidental no, but i wouldnt call almost a decade of mindfulness shadow work etc the result of a break up or the past year even either

that's been something i've done and dealt with for a long time, and it's something i'm always working on because life and fate have pulled me in that direction

my delving into the occult has been a big chunk of my life at this point and a huge part of that is internal work, but everything i've been through i've learned from and i simply see that experience as a debt paid in full for this life

i don't feel that there could've been anything earlier or like any earlier would've been good because the timing wasnt right there was more to learn, but i clearly didn't stay stuck in that negative pattern because im here right now

i think we just don't quite see eye to eye on this tbh, but the end result is the same in the sense that yes i've done about a solid decade of work but that included those experiences shedding light on things and pulling things up

it wasnt just like "break up work on myself" though i did go into hermit mode as much as possible to reflect and think and exist in my own head because by being on my own i got to know myself better

fasting and meditation etc and so on

i did those things anyway, but i was able to do them in solitude (that rebound one night stand definitely made that easier it was so ******* awful)

it wasnt so much a choice as it was necessity though and where i felt pulled to be

sometimes feeling like there's a lack of choice pulls you into a positive direction to and every sign i got brought me here, so i can't see things in the same light you do

my ex spiraling where i didn't showed me a lot about everything too, what was between us and so on and who she's become made it a lot easier to step away ultimately because of who i am now (but again a very long path has led me here) with some hard lessons but like i said there's a different feeling there like something was lifted and now she's where she's meant to be and so am i

her position isnt good but there's things she has to learn from it, and she'll sink or swim but even drowning serves a function

i think people like to try to minimize pain or misfortune naturally and while that's understandable life would be very bleak without that side of things to shed light on other things we value, and so i don't feel like this is just luck but i also don't feel as though this was choices made either

this was the product of a very long time of following signs and doing work on a path that wasnt very clearly laid out but that i got glimpses of all the same

posted January 27, 2020 07:14 AM            

I absolutely love that Pluto image, it resonates a lot. I may use it on my social media in fact if you don't mind :-)

thank you!

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posted January 27, 2020 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Hypatia,

I absolutely love that Pluto image, it resonates a lot. I may use it on my social media in fact if you don't mind :-)

thank you!

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posted January 29, 2020 02:45 PM            

I saw the woman's facebook page. Days before she was murdered, she posted something about husbands stressing out their wives, as much as their kids do. So many people in this country, and the world, put marriage out there as the main goal for women: if we don't get married, then something is wrong with us. Hell, in another thread, a woman said that some women aren't in relationships, because they can't handle occasional disagreements (I'm paraphrasing). What are you supposed to do, when you have three children that you love (she was desperate for a job in November), and the man you married, who is supposed to love you and those children, more than anything, gets depressed and turns a gun on you? I then think of the people who would still blame her for her own death: she should have chosen better. She should have done this or that. We hardly ever hear about what HE should (or should not) have done, like take a gun, and murder his wife and babies.

posted January 29, 2020 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
A lot of people in a FB group were saying that yesterday felt weird. I felt it, too, but it started on Monday night, for me. I'd just watched a depressing movie (Revolutionary Road), and then I read about a man who murdered his wife, three children, and their dog, before turning the gun on himself.

I saw the woman's facebook page. Days before she was murdered, she posted something about husbands stressing out their wives, as much as their kids do. So many people in this country, and the world, put marriage out there as the main goal for women: if we don't get married, then something is wrong with us. Hell, in another thread, a woman said that some women aren't in relationships, because they can't handle occasional disagreements (I'm paraphrasing). What are you supposed to do, when you're stuck with three children that you love (she was desperate for a job in November), and the man you married, who is supposed to love you and those children, more than anything, gets depressed and turns a gun on you? I then think of the people who would still blame her for her own death: she should have chosen better. She should have done this or that. We hardly ever hear about what HE should (or should not) have done, like take a gun, and murder his wife and babies.

Anyway, I thought the subject matter fit the subject here. Only it's the kind of thing that won't end when Saturn and Pluto both move on.
http://www.ajc.com/news/father-killed-wife-kids-dog-and-himself-horrific-crime -scene-police-say/

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