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waxlobster
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posted January 10, 2020 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All,

How are you feeling the Saturn-Pluto conjunction at the moment?

This full moon eclipse is a strong trigger to it also, what an intense week! I wrote an article about the energy of the conjunction:
http://askastrology.com/control-dramas/

With a nod to the Celestine Prophecy and the fabulous insights into human behaviour that I read about there in the 90s.

Who remembers that book? Where does Saturn-Pluto fall in your chart?

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Graham
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posted January 10, 2020 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember reading the book (and The Tenth Insight follow up) ... from which I learned that my Interrogator father had helped to make me an alternating combination of interrogator and poor-me.

The Saturn-Pluto conjunction (at Capricorn 23) falls in my 4th natal house, and squares my natal 1st house Venus (at Libra 23). ... And my childhood-conditioned playing of the interrogator role at home is currently resulting in a childhood-conditioned poor-me defensive response from my wife.

Thanks for the heads-up, waxlobster ... Having read your article, I shall look again at the books* and (hopefully) "sort myself out asap".

[ * I now recall having passed those books onto someone whose need I (arrogantly) considered at the time to be "greater than mine" ... along with another (entitled "I'm OK - You're OK") which it would be helpful for me to read again. However, I do still have sequels to both books (The Celestine Vision and Staying OK) - so perhaps this is a prompt to read them, for the first time. ... (The planets do indeed seem to move us in mysterious ways.)]

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posted January 10, 2020 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the Cap-action is taking place on my Cap moon 5H, opposite Cancer Sun, Venus, Mercury 11H.
I haven't felt anything except tired from not being tired when I should be ie the night..

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posted January 10, 2020 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it squares my aries 26 moon but i don't think i'll feel it until later. it's in my 6H on my Neptune-Uranus conjunction, i've felt a rebirth of my health habits, daily routine and creativity for sure

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posted January 10, 2020 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn/Pluto conjunction has kicked off my Saturn Return.

I am feeling quite wonderful lately. Like an enormous weight has been lifted from me. My solar return was just over a week ago, and I feel I have tapped into an incredible resource of energy.

2019 was incredibly painful and I have been very much looking forward to moving on to 2020. My heart has healed so much since.

My Capricorn stellium/12th house is getting all kinds of action from the current transits. Jupiter is on my Sun/Uranus right now.

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posted January 10, 2020 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good article! As a parent I am more like the Interrogator. I quit yelling (thankfully) a while ago, but I will admit I know how to argue effectively and shut my kids down. As they get older, (and they both opt for aloof) I recognize it's shutting down communication and the relationship between us, so I have made more of an effort to quit it!

This S/P conjunction and eclipse is on my 2nd house moon, opposite my 8th Sun/Jupiter and trine my mars in 10th. I have been pretty wiped out with the whole transit in my 2nd and testing my 8th. I feel like my efforts to succeed are wading through mud, but that could be Neptune's transit too. And the whole time my beliefs are being tested. I understand it will all serve me in the end, but sometimes I am just tired of it and would like to call "uncle".

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posted January 10, 2020 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoJo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I currently have tr Sun, tr Mercury, tr Saturn, and tr Pluto conjunct (applying) my descendant.

I also have tr Moon conjunct my ascendant.

It's been... different... haha

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posted January 11, 2020 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Graham,
Gosh yes I remember the 10th insight too! The gem, I found was the 'experiential guide'. I didn't so much enjoy the way the book was written but the experiential guide goes deep into every insight. I didn't part with it in fact, as it's full of useful exercises reminding you how to 'connect up.'

There was a great bit about 'becoming' each of your parents and imagining their dreams and ideals in youth, versus the life that they ended up with. I found that very emotional and brought me closer to my folks. Children are inherently selfish and we can forget to break the habit of thinking everything in the world revolves around us…. :-)

I love Conversations with God too, “what would love do now,” and “it's only what I think that matters,” mantras that keep me centred to this day.

Your Venus is conjunct my Asc at 22 Libra, high five to thee!!

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posted January 11, 2020 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Charlie,
That's so much activity for your full moon configuration! I'm glad that you're not feeling it too much, how about the full moon? Did you feel that? I could feel the tension ebbing away a bit afterwards. Still have this heavy tiredness though….I think everybody is feeling that, even those whose planets aren't in the mix.

Hi Selenite,
Yes I guess you won't be feeling it all that much yet, although Saturn will be getting close very soon. Well mid-February to be exact, it does dip back to 25 Capricorn though early Autumn, so I guess it's the first of three passes it will be an gentle eye-opener to areas of emotional development. :-)

Hi Manymoones,
Wow what a Saturn Return!! You certainly didn't choose to do this by halves!! :-) I'm so glad you're coming into your own and have found it liberating. Truth is the Saturn return is often felt for the whole year (or even 2!) prior and with Saturn not coming back as far as 22-23 again, you're on the home run, just as you feel. This will be the year in which you carve out your new paths ~knowingly~

Hi StoneMoon,
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the article. Lovely that you're allowing the growth of your children, to be your own personal growth too. That is, I believe, a great way to be a parent and will help them to be open and honest about their emotions in their lives too. Of course that is a very difficult transit to your Moon though, all I can suggest is that you keep a little notebook, tracking your progress. That's good for a Cap Moon and also it helps Saturn to be given a purpose and a target are of development….oh and get lots of sleep. The shift that are occurring right now are zapping us all, if you can use Neptune to be creative also, all the better :-)

Hey JoJo
Yep that's a bit of a trial through fire. I'm with you, my 22 Libra Asc is going through a similar passage of development. Learning to use my powers (Pluto) of persuasion (Libra) and deal with a deeper level of loss transformation and integration of the shadow side too. I imagine you've felt some of this too :-)

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Shalom and blessings~~~

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posted January 12, 2020 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think I read the first and second books. Wasn't there something about invisible people in the 2nd?

I find that interesting because partner had a very interesting dream where she met up with a guide/helper type--she knew she was in the nonphysical. The guide/helper told her that he was very active in the 70's when he was incarnated and that he had had strong Scorpio and Aquarius. (I think she was meeting up with Robert A. Monroe).

Anyways, the helper told her that he wanted to teach her some ways of raising her body vibratory patterns, partly because he said that in the future, the Earth may go through a period where the radiation will be much higher and she will need to be able to do this as to not get sick and to stay in the body.

He cautioned her that practicing these techniques will likely result in first feeling nausea, and that she will start to become temporarily invisible to most human's perceptions.

Anyways, they practiced these techniques during meditation, and sure enough, she did feel nausea. At one point, she said she felt very odd, like she was half in physical and half in the nonphysical, and her perception expanded exponentially, and she felt some sadness at that because she was so aware of so much. The guide/helper sensed her sadness and asked why?

She replied, because knowing so much has taken away my human curiosity and I always thought that this was one of the positive things about humans. End of dream.

So, in the future, some folks might be going invisible here and there as they learn to control their more full energy systems as it relates to their "body". (Is there really even a body, or is it all just information flowing in a data stream that gives the illusion of appearance of body etc? And where does this data stream come from? Perhaps pure consciousness?)

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posted January 12, 2020 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoInScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is right on my 2nd house cusp and square my Jupiter 20 aries; so far i'm entangled in a relationship mud since november, but i think is due other transits+progressions.

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posted January 12, 2020 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It conjuncts my 2nd house cusp while it inconjuncts my venus conjunct mars in the 8H. Venus rules my 5h, 6H and 10H. I submitted early January application necessary to get my License in counseling, I feel a very strong pull to get this done and move to the next phase in my career. I feel determined and motivated and driven to wrap things up with this and move forward career wise.

I could have started working on this over a year ago at least but didn't feel the need to. Lately I have felt the timing is now right for this.

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posted January 12, 2020 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pretty uneventful conjunction in spite of it hitting my ic and squaring **** in my chart tbh

just working out details with getting my ex's **** out and talking to this guy things are moving slow with about what we want in the future

have some **** going on this week that i need to pretend to be human for but that's been something i needed to deal with for a while anyway

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posted January 12, 2020 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dumuzi:
pretty uneventful conjunction in spite of it hitting my ic and squaring **** in my chart tbh

just working out details with getting my ex's **** out and talking to this guy things are moving slow with about what we want in the future

have some **** going on this week that i need to pretend to be human for but that's been something i needed to deal with for a while anyway


This popped in my mind, maybe saturn conjunct pluto is giving you the will power to let go of your ex bc you have outgrown this relationship and want to grow from this ending. Pluto is death and endings and Saturn gives us discipline to stick to these endings when before it might have been challenging to stick to the decision to end a relationship resulting in an never ending merry go round of breaking up and getting back together. I know saturn conjunct pluto have been going on for a while via declinations (parallel) before they started to conjunct.

Saturn does slow things down but its decisions stick, its a slow but steady leads to transformation or reaching goals approach (saturn conjunct pluto). Restructuring and rebuilding from more solid foundations or it can play out with internal transformations that take a while to achieve but actually stick after the transit is over.

Interesting fact: "Saturn conjunct Pluto is a major planetary occurring on average every 34 years. The last conjunction was in November 1982. When the two most serious and cold planets align there are hard times. Restriction and limitation force you work hard at changing something particular in your life that has outlived its usefulness."

http://astrologyking.com/saturn-conjunct-pluto/

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posted January 12, 2020 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
This popped in my mind, maybe saturn conjunct pluto is giving you the will power to let go of your ex bc you have outgrown this relationship and want to grow from this ending. Pluto is death and endings and Saturn gives us discipline to stick to these endings when before it might have been challenging to stick to the decision to end a relationship resulting in an never ending merry go round of breaking up and getting back together. I know saturn conjunct pluto have been going on for a while via declinations (parallel) before they started to conjunct.

Saturn does slow things down but its decisions stick, its a slow but steady leads to transformation or reaching goals approach (saturn conjunct pluto). Restructuring and rebuilding from more solid foundations or it can play out with internal transformations that take a while to achieve but actually stick after the transit is over.

Interesting fact: "Saturn conjunct Pluto is a major planetary occurring on average every 34 years. The last conjunction was in November 1982. When the two most serious and cold planets align there are hard times. Restriction and limitation force you work hard at changing something particular in your life that has outlived its usefulness."

http://astrologyking.com/saturn-conjunct-pluto/


i was 100% done on new years day or the day after cant remember which after some **** she pulled

repeated suicide threats and so on with this back and forth and continually going back and forth when it comes to getting her things so i have to keep a line open

it's all been draining and i've been over it for a while but that was basically it for me at that point

so it's not really anything new by now

can only hear the "i love and miss you" **** so much while she concludes her best course of action is doing coke and considering suicide or going back to heroin or both instead of getting her life together

apologies and **** too that she'll essentially take back the next day when she's high or drunk so she feels like she's having a good day

i felt guilty around christmas when she told me she missed me and wished she could see me and i didn't feel the same, now i just dont feel bad

her and i have a connection, lot of karmic **** there and i know that, but at least for this lifetime i feel like that's been taken as far as it was going to be and i've made peace with that

she's either going to be like her mother or her sister and she knows it, or she'll be more explosive and commit suicide

she wants it in a way though, has for years, and it's just not something i can deal with anymore especially when i've been mostly sober (very occasional weed or alcohol, but even with **** in the house i havent touched it) and slowly pulling my **** together

this guy i've been taking **** really slow with is more the sort of person i need and has similar ideas about life etc

meeting him has been weird timing that's why **** is in limbo with that but slow progression and so on, met him sooner than i wouldve preferred

been avoiding a lot of people recently too since a lot of my friendships were based on sex or drugs or at the very least mutual sexual tension and situations that werent good for that

so today just wasnt particularly eventful or special it was just more of what the usual has been lately

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posted January 12, 2020 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This conjunction opposed my Mercury/Ceres/Chiron/Sun when I was a kid, from my 12th house. They crossed my ascendant at some point in the next couple of years.

That was when we were living in a crappy apartment, as part of an otherwise lovely community that was built on top of a factory. I really liked the people there, just not the sociopath mum was engaged to. I had nightmares about him, until I was nineteen, that involved me being chased in the dark, around that building, up and down the stairs that led up the sides of the building, in and out of shadows and the moonlight. I don't remember him doing anything to me personally, but I never trusted him, and I knew that my mother was a mess and upset a lot, because of him.

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posted January 12, 2020 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dumuzi:


so today just wasnt particularly eventful or special it was just more of what the usual has been lately


That is a lot of change. I think it's big that you're handling that, along with getting sober.

My anxiety has been up a bit, thinking about changes that will happen at some point, whether or not I like or want them. I don't handle change well, even though I have Uranus all over my chart, and might be expected to. I think I handled it better when my family was together, and I knew that I had them.

I have been out of it all day. I hope I'm not going to wake up as midnight approaches.

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posted January 12, 2020 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by teasel:
That is a lot of change. I think it's big that you're handling that, along with getting sober.

My anxiety has been up a bit, thinking about changes that will happen at some point, whether or not I like or want them. I don't handle change well, even though I have Uranus all over my chart, and might be expected to. I think I handled it better when my family was together, and I knew that I had them.

I have been out of it all day. I hope I'm not going to wake up as midnight approaches.


idk doesnt feel very big to handle it i mean what the **** else is there to do? life happens you keep going just how it is, something can be big i guess but you just handle it the same way you do small things just keep going

it hasn't felt very hard really if i'm being honest, just feels like there's only x amount of moves to make so i've made them

like playing a game or some **** if you're backed into a corner and there's one way out that's how you go and that's all there is to it

it all feels pretty uneventful ultimately, i'm not very impressed by any of it, not very exciting

i mean i spent a long time with her, i get all the reasons why and why that imploded and i hope she gets better but i've had a long time to accept she doesn't want to because i've lived it with her so it doesn't really make sense to me to keep dwelling on it

the way i feel about her is how i felt when my grandpa died years after having a stroke when his mind had been gone a while and he wasnt himself anymore, he wasnt going to get better and living longer wouldve been worse ultimately

or like how the family dog died around this past christmas, he was 17 and it's not like there was much else that was going to happen but at least family was around

being with her was like a rollercoaster and towards the end i wanted off but felt obligated to stay, she removed all obligations and continued to and now i'm off and while i feel for her i don't have to carry that weight anymore it isnt mine to even help with

i didnt even have to make a decision there it was just life

with sobriety that's been easy honestly, i used to have a really hard time imagining being sober but i was just unhappy and that's what was there really

for a little bit i turned back to it here and there because it had been a thing, but now i mostly feel like i've used them plenty and if i want to they're round and i can but i havent actually felt like it more often than not

it just hasnt interested me really and i don't care about it, there was no physical addiction but even if there had been ive quit heroin, nicotine, and pcp cold turkey and would just do the same with anything else physically addictive

it's not a big deal or anything, and it doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment to just not do something

i wouldnt mind some change personally, i know there's been a lot but something interesting i guess (positive obviously)

i'm sorry you've been feeling so anxious, i had anxiety issues years ago but found ways to deal with it and over the years it just sort of faded into something that's largely irrelevant in my life except when i need to tell other people some tricks that might help them manage it

mindfulness is a good one though, being present now because worrying about a future that might not even happen isn't worth the feelings

you still have people and even if you didn't you have you and it'd just be a chance to see how strong you could be if there is some major change (though change doesnt even have to be negative)

you ever need to talk i'm around, i know you know that but i'll say it again anyway

also sorry to hear about your last experience of this conjunction

edit: btw that should say quit them when i had to because i ****** up with quitting heroin in particular when there was no pressing reason to

when the situation shifted and it was either do that or be ****** i did it though because i had to

if i absolutely have to do something even if it sucks or is a ***** i'll do it, because there's no other option really and when there's no decisions to be made even hard **** is easy on some level

element of choice is harder to get around i think

and sobriety isnt really a choice either, i didnt die while i was younger only getting older and i've seen what that ends up looking like when people don't clean up so there's no real option there when i weigh it all out in my head

it's either become a complete ******* wreck of a human even worse than i've been and waste away, or put that **** behind me and see what other **** there is to life that i havent checked out yet because i was busy with that instead

by no means will i ever say "i'll never drink or do something i had no pressing problems with again" because that'd be a lie and on occasion why not? but living like that longer just feels pointless

i tried quitting with my ex this time last year for those reasons and we ****** it up together so really i'm just doing what i already intended to do because getting older and living that life wasnt an option to me

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posted January 13, 2020 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i was 100% done on new years day or the day after cant remember which after some **** she pulled

repeated suicide threats and so on with this back and forth and continually going back and forth when it comes to getting her things so i have to keep a line open

it's all been draining and i've been over it for a while but that was basically it for me at that point

so it's not really anything new by now

can only hear the "i love and miss you" **** so much while she concludes her best course of action is doing coke and considering suicide or going back to heroin or both instead of getting her life together

apologies and **** too that she'll essentially take back the next day when she's high or drunk so she feels like she's having a good day

i felt guilty around christmas when she told me she missed me and wished she could see me and i didn't feel the same, now i just dont feel bad

her and i have a connection, lot of karmic **** there and i know that, but at least for this lifetime i feel like that's been taken as far as it was going to be and i've made peace with that

she's either going to be like her mother or her sister and she knows it, or she'll be more explosive and commit suicide

she wants it in a way though, has for years, and it's just not something i can deal with anymore especially when i've been mostly sober (very occasional weed or alcohol, but even with **** in the house i havent touched it) and slowly pulling my **** together

this guy i've been taking **** really slow with is more the sort of person i need and has similar ideas about life etc

meeting him has been weird timing that's why **** is in limbo with that but slow progression and so on, met him sooner than i wouldve preferred

been avoiding a lot of people recently too since a lot of my friendships were based on sex or drugs or at the very least mutual sexual tension and situations that werent good for that

so today just wasnt particularly eventful or special it was just more of what the usual has been lately


Well the thing with saturn conjunct pluto is that it can feel uneventful but all this transformation is slowly happening and then BAM one day your life is totally different and you realize you have changed in some key ways and are totally different. I feel that is what is happening with you and I am so happy for you, I feel you are entering a new phase in your life, a more peaceful phase and you deserve this and are doing the work to make this possible for yourself.

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posted January 13, 2020 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
idk doesnt feel very big to handle it i mean what the **** else is there to do? life happens you keep going just how it is, something can be big i guess but you just handle it the same way you do small things just keep going

it hasn't felt very hard really if i'm being honest, just feels like there's only x amount of moves to make so i've made them

like playing a game or some **** if you're backed into a corner and there's one way out that's how you go and that's all there is to it

it all feels pretty uneventful ultimately, i'm not very impressed by any of it, not very exciting

i mean i spent a long time with her, i get all the reasons why and why that imploded and i hope she gets better but i've had a long time to accept she doesn't want to because i've lived it with her so it doesn't really make sense to me to keep dwelling on it

the way i feel about her is how i felt when my grandpa died years after having a stroke when his mind had been gone a while and he wasnt himself anymore, he wasnt going to get better and living longer wouldve been worse ultimately

or like how the family dog died around this past christmas, he was 17 and it's not like there was much else that was going to happen but at least family was around

being with her was like a rollercoaster and towards the end i wanted off but felt obligated to stay, she removed all obligations and continued to and now i'm off and while i feel for her i don't have to carry that weight anymore it isnt mine to even help with

i didnt even have to make a decision there it was just life

with sobriety that's been easy honestly, i used to have a really hard time imagining being sober but i was just unhappy and that's what was there really

for a little bit i turned back to it here and there because it had been a thing, but now i mostly feel like i've used them plenty and if i want to they're round and i can but i havent actually felt like it more often than not

it just hasnt interested me really and i don't care about it, there was no physical addiction but even if there had been ive quit heroin, nicotine, and pcp cold turkey and would just do the same with anything else physically addictive

it's not a big deal or anything, and it doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment to just not do something

i wouldnt mind some change personally, i know there's been a lot but something interesting i guess (positive obviously)

i'm sorry you've been feeling so anxious, i had anxiety issues years ago but found ways to deal with it and over the years it just sort of faded into something that's largely irrelevant in my life except when i need to tell other people some tricks that might help them manage it

mindfulness is a good one though, being present now because worrying about a future that might not even happen isn't worth the feelings

you still have people and even if you didn't you have you and it'd just be a chance to see how strong you could be if there is some major change (though change doesnt even have to be negative)

you ever need to talk i'm around, i know you know that but i'll say it again anyway

also sorry to hear about your last experience of this conjunction

edit: btw that should say quit them when i had to because i ****** up with quitting heroin in particular when there was no pressing reason to

when the situation shifted and it was either do that or be ****** i did it though because i had to

if i absolutely have to do something even if it sucks or is a ***** i'll do it, because there's no other option really and when there's no decisions to be made even hard **** is easy on some level

element of choice is harder to get around i think

and sobriety isnt really a choice either, i didnt die while i was younger only getting older and i've seen what that ends up looking like when people don't clean up so there's no real option there when i weigh it all out in my head

it's either become a complete ******* wreck of a human even worse than i've been and waste away, or put that **** behind me and see what other **** there is to life that i havent checked out yet because i was busy with that instead

by no means will i ever say "i'll never drink or do something i had no pressing problems with again" because that'd be a lie and on occasion why not? but living like that longer just feels pointless

i tried quitting with my ex this time last year for those reasons and we ****** it up together so really i'm just doing what i already intended to do because getting older and living that life wasnt an option to me


You keep down playing the internal changes that are happening with you and the choices you are making. You keep saying that its not a choice but every step along the way there is always a choice. When you have felt that you don't have a choice it just means you are making the right choice as making the wrong choice feels like is not an option. This means you choose you, you choose life and you choose to survive, that is resilience, you are very resilient and whether you give yourself credit or not you have grown a lot and lot of changes are happening inside of you and in your life.

I think you are so used to chaos and drama that you are unable to appreciate the changes happening to you internally and externally in your life. Yes some of this decisions were made for you but you chose to adapt and let go, grow, live a more sober life and practice resilience. You also have outgrown this negative cycle you were stuck in with your ex and this is a big deal and huge, you should honor this growth. Don't minimize the positive changes happening in your life, honor them. For you uneventful is a sign of tremendous change bc you were used to a life filled with constant stimulation and drama, you are transitioning out of that.

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http://astrologyking.com/saturn-conjunct-pluto/

From Link Above
Saturn Conjunct Pluto Transit

Saturn conjunct Pluto transit is a time of hard work and serious business. You will need patience and determination as you face extra responsibilities with less time and resources to get the job done. As this transit approaches, events and people will force you to concentrate your efforts on one particular area of life that is no longer working well for you. It could be a relationship or career or a particular belief or behavior. Something in your life has outlived its usefulness and is holding you back, even if you don’t realize it at first.

You may experience loss, hardship or disappointment as you learn what it is that you must let go of or change. You may feel pressured or burdened by someone in a position of authority or a government department or large corporation. This may place a strain on your finances or force you to give up a hobby or family time. It is possible that a change in circumstances restricts your ability to enjoy other areas of life until you address the particular issue.

If something is broken you must fix it or throw it out. You cannot leave things as they are and resist the powerful forces that are at play. You must act responsibly and you may even have to be ruthless in taking out the garbage.

It is best to approach the coming change by accepting the inevitable and do what must be done. If you ignore what soon becomes obvious, or stubbornly refuse to change, you risk complications that will make your life extremely difficult. Even worse would be to take short cuts or cheat. Immoral or unethical behavior such as lying, manipulation or breaking the law would have serious consequences that would further restrict your options and freedom.

Accept change and go with the flow. Listen to your intuition and listen to the advice of professionals. This is a time for a deliberate, well-considered change. Once you let go of the limiting factors in your life you can use determination and perseverance to build new structures in their place. This is a slow, evolutionary process that builds new foundations on which to prosper in the coming years.

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posted January 13, 2020 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hypatia238

slow stuff just makes me feel impatient is all

this transit and that eclipse feel sort of like an overhyped movie, everyone goes on about it and it's like "yeah that was cool but it didnt need to be 3 hours and i've seen better" and maybe it's just that things have just hit that tipping point of no return

i get that, and i get that it's the sort of thing that can happen silently too, so it is what it is

i know i've changed, i understand that, but i feel like that sort of thing is inevitable when you go through **** isnt it? growth just sort of happens

i'm happy don't get me wrong, very much so happy to be moving forward but i feel impatient all the same because there's a lot i just want done that isn't and will take time

it's not the best given my moon sign you know? but thank you, and you just sort of touched on a lot of the synchronicty **** ive been getting anyway with one phase ending and a new one beginning that's going to be way different

i don't mean to talk like i'm downplaying things i just don't really feel like there's a choice in this situation, sink or swim essentially and sinking isn't exactly a pleasant option

it's arguably a lot harder to willingly drown at a certain point than it is to avoid it

that's all i mean, i see my options and this is easier than the other thing even if it doesnt seem it because the other thing is absolutely miserable and i know because of where i've been in the past and **** i've seen

i honestly have a very hard time grasping it when people say choosing to keep going is a choice or a matter of strength or something because it just feels like what you do because life goes on regardless at a certain point

i feel the same way when people tell me im strong for dealing with my health issues it's just sort of like "well if you have to then you learn to" and it doesnt seem like much of anything

idk, i don't really see it as downplaying anything, and like i said don't get me wrong i'm happy and all that and i know my life is heading in a different direction than what i've been used to and so on

but it doesn't really feel like i've done much of anything other than what i've had to in order to deal with situations i was in

like i said that relationship was karmic but **** changed, the obligation left, our paths split

it was just how **** is

idk maybe we can just blame my sun square saturn or cap mars or something because it doesnt feel like much to do necessary things when there aren't other options

and i know youre saying i had a choice here but doing what i was doing much longer isn't really much of a choice

to me anyway

so i am appreciative and all that, i just see it like this is what i always do when i don't have other options and ******* around isn't on the table

i read that link btw, i'm too curious a person to not click and look at things

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posted January 13, 2020 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This transit actually gives us an opportunity to feel out where control measures and power merge. It occurs in my 5th house and I am learning about this in my creative life. It seems more important to me than ever.

Just as important, these two are making nice trines to my natal Mercury (22° Taurus) and Pluto (25° Virgo).

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Interesting fact: "Saturn conjunct Pluto is a major planetary occurring on average every 34 years. The last conjunction was in November 1982.

Hence ... one should be considering the potential manifestation of the 34 year cycle, rather than the short-lived impact of the conjunction itself. ... And those of us who are over the age of 35 can learn much about the manifestation of the upcoming cycle, by reviewing the events created in our lives during the last cycle.

For example ... I was born in November 1948, 15 months after the August 1947 Saturn-Pluto conjunction at Leo 14. That conjunction was in my 11th house - and the first 34 years of my life were spent overcoming my in-born/instinctive tendency to avoid being responsible for supervising/managing others. ... Then, after the next conjunction on 8th November 1982 (at Libra 28, in my 2nd house) I've spent the last 37 years reaping the rewards of working as a manager/mentor of others. ... And the 2020 Capricorn conjunction (in my 4th house) will see me depart from this current life as a husband, father, grandfather and great-grandfather.

Thus, for me, the common/lifetime theme of these conjunctions has been "empowerment via accepting responsibility". ... I came into this life knowing the value of being a loner, and will leave having learned the value of being a team-player (as "promised" by Natal Saturn-in-Virgo/11th semi-novile Pluto-in-Leo/11th).

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Originally posted by Graham:

For example ... I was born in November 1948, 15 months after the August 1947 Saturn-Pluto conjunction at Leo 14. That conjunction was in my 11th house - and the first 34 years of my life were spent overcoming my in-born/instinctive tendency to avoid being responsible for supervising/managing others. [/B]


This is interesting. I have avoided the above all of my life, but it seems astrologically obvious (and also from the guidance I've gotten about past and probable future) that I can't and shouldn't avoid this indefinitely.

Mercury rules my 11th, is in Capricorn widely conjunct Cap Sun ruler of the 1st/Leo ASC. North Node in very early Virgo strongly cusping Leo and in the 1st. Ruler of North Node Sign, Mercury, being tied to the above pattern, as well as in a close trine to late 1st House Jupiter and trine to 2nd House Mars.

Sun trine Mars Jupiter conjunction.

Seems I am destined to at some point move into a facilitator or leader type role, despite my preference not to. (My preference would be to living in a small cabin up in Alaska with my family or at most with a small, intentional, egalitarian community, or on a spaceship or different world/system or different system of energies with my ET friends).

Part of the resistance is because during my last dive, I did wield a lot of power, authority, and influence, and while I used it mostly well most of the time, I did make some major goofs and experienced a lot of drama and turmoil due to my limited decisions, which was partially manipulated by cunning, corrupt, and self serving outside forces (both human and ET).

An otherwise accurate, long practicing psychic/intuitive told me that for now "I'm playing the waiting game due to current weather conditions." and it was mentioned, "when the Sun melts the ice" I would move into the role that I came in for. Also mentioned in this reading that in this life, I would climb to the top of the mountain, and that I had previously tried to climb to the top of the mountain two other times, came close, but fell, lost ground, and became temporarily wounded.

Same reader that told me that a powerful spiritual being named Michael was helping me (which she didn't consciously know, but I had called on Arch Angel Michael's help to deal with some strong but negative outside forces, and indeed "he" and his help did help quite a bit).

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