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polkadotstars
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posted January 11, 2020 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all! This is my grandmother! Wasn't she beautiful?

I'd love to hear thoughts on what her ascendant was. I don't know what time she was born. But I'll fill you in on the rest of her chart after I see responses!

I'm trying to see the connections between her chart and the rest of my family's chart.

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posted January 11, 2020 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm seeing a Cancerian vibe from her, wondering if she might be an Ascendant cusp between Gem+Cancer. she really reminds me of Yvonne De Carlo or A similar look to Jennifer Connelly. but neither give me in searche results, the ascending sign. I do see Gemini in both charts avail online though. (Connelly's Moon)
in the image option search box of your choice, these actresses have several photos.
Wish I could offer better insight.

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posted January 12, 2020 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was actually thinking she could be cancer ascendant so it's interesting you say that. Wonder of anyone else has any input?

Thank you!!

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posted January 12, 2020 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's important to know the rest of the chart--it can help to figure it out. The Ascendant/Rising can become VERY altered from the basic archetype.

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posted January 12, 2020 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course. Here's her chart sans ASC information.

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posted January 12, 2020 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. Height also helps.

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posted January 12, 2020 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm I don't remember. I think maybe 5'6?

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posted January 12, 2020 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see more Leo ASC actually putting her sun in 4th house which maybe gives still cancer vibes?

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posted January 12, 2020 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or maybe Aries ASC? Im seeing fire.

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posted January 12, 2020 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! I have wondered is she had a cancer ascendant because there's a lot of cancer or 4th house energy in all of her three daughters.

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posted January 12, 2020 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 12, 2020 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is stunning! She reminds me of a Virgo/Scorpio Moon/Leo Venus friend that I have, but I can't remember her ascendant.

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posted January 13, 2020 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you post the chart of your grandfather, too?

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posted January 13, 2020 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My two main guesses would be very late Scorpio ASC, cusping Sagittarius, with Saturn and Mercury the dominant Planets, but Saturn being "lifted up" by the wide conjunction of Sun-Venus to it, and with faster moving ruling planet, Mars, in Taurus.

2nd guess would be Capricorn ASC with ruler in Scorpio. Probably cusping Aquarius and with the Moon in the 1st. In that case, she would be primarily Lunar in attunement, with Jupiter a strong contributing 2nd factor.

She has the strong squarish jaw that correlates with strong Fixed related/oriented symbols predominating or strongly blending in with the ASC.

However she is too pigmented/swarthy to be pure Aquarius or Leo (or Cancer), unless Scorpio Saturn is closely squaring. If Aquarius, it would have to be later and not particularly close to the Moon because physically she is not very Lunar looking for a Caucasian.

Either way, a fairly altered Rising Sign archetype.

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posted January 14, 2020 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HelixID:
Could you post the chart of your grandfather, too?

+1

In charts of people that are very close, it's very common to see certain patterns. Particularly common are personal and/or major/sensitive but different symbols being same sign or opposite sign of the other's different symbols that are personal or particularly sensitive. Such as Sun, Moon, Rising, chart ruler or 7th House ruler(s), Venus, Nodes, etc. being same or opposite Sign as the other's Rising, Moon, Venus, chart or 7th House ruler(s), etc.

For a brief example, my partner is an Aqua Sun, Venus, South Node and latish Cap Rising. I have Leo ASC, Cap Sun, and Aqua Venus (ruler of my Moon and MC). I have Virgo N. Node, Jupiter (ruler of my 5th and 8th), Mars, and Saturn. She has Mercury (ruler of her 5th and 8th) and Mars (ruler of her Moon, 10th) in Pisces.

You do also sometimes see the same symbols same or opposite Sign as well, but it's not as strong of a pattern. For example, I have Libra Moon and she Aries Moon.

Anyways, such similar patterns are fairly common.


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posted January 15, 2020 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, of course! Here's my granddad's chart. I am not sure what his rising sign is. Notice how his sun is on the cusp of Pisces/Aries. If he's born later in the day he's an Aries.

He passed away when I was young so I didn't really get to know him. But here's what I know and you can guess what his ASC is

He was emotionally abusive to his family, he would yell and slam doors when he would drink. He drank a lot, so my mom and her sisters could never invite friends over because they wouldn't know in what state he'd be in. He was a womanizer, he'd come home with lipstick on his shirt. Any money he would get he would spend on himself or playing golf. If he'd yell at his family, he'd give them a few dollars the next day to 'make up for it'.

I don't want to paint an entirely bad picture of him. My mom and her sisters haven't really totally forgiven him. But they don't hate him, they are able to share stories about him and laugh. I have heard that he was actually kind of shy/quiet when he wasn't drinking and I get the feeling that he was emotionally sensitive. He was scared of his mom when he was a young child, and would often wait outside on the curb of his house after school until his dad came home from his mail carrier job. He didn't want to go inside to see his mom alone. She was emotionally abusive and a yeller as well. When I think of him, I know he wasn't perfect and he caused a lot of pain on my mom's family. However, I think most of that was from his own childhood. I think behind that was a gentle soul who was self-medicating from his own wounds of childhood that he never was able to close. My grandmother's sister said that when they first met him, they could tell he had a big heart. I just think the drinking and pain got in the way. He was a salesmen, so I believe he might have been somewhat charismatic. Plus, it was his 3rd marriage! Although he had told my grandmother he had only been married once before. We later found (all) his marriage certificates on ancestry.com. He was 12 years older than my grandmother.

I had a dream a few years ago where he came to me. It was unlike any other dream because of how realistic it was. I could see every line in his skin and the wrinkles in his crisp white button-up shirt. We were in a cabin on the peaks of a mountain with a blue sky around us. He wanted me to sit by him and then he asked me to tell his family that he's sorry for what he did to them, and ask if they could forgive him. He said to tell them he loves and misses them. So, I think he knows what he did and he

In any case, sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to give a background on who he was so you can put pieces together. Without any ado, he is his chart.

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posted January 15, 2020 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some photos of my grandad if you need a reference point. I wish I had some where he was younger. I have no idea what he looked like when he didn't have gray hair and wrinkly skin lol.

My grandad showing he has no more money after my mom and dad's wedding, lol


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posted January 15, 2020 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Aqua


Why Aqua? Do you think that it fits the description if she already has an Aqua moon?

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posted January 15, 2020 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm picking up Leo Rising :-)

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posted January 15, 2020 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
I'm picking up Leo Rising :-)


Interesting because I'm a leo rising

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posted January 15, 2020 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like her energy!

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posted January 15, 2020 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I like her energy!

Aww! That makes me happy.

She loved astrology. Well, she only knew about the sun signs lol. But whenever I had a boyfriend, she'd ask what day he was born, so she could figure out his sun sign! And then she'd explain what he'd be like, lol. I guess I get it from her!

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Why Aqua? Do you think that it fits the description if she already has an Aqua moon?

This brings up the matter of first determining with confidence whether her Moon was in Capricorn or Aquarius. I'm assuming the chart you displayed for her above was set for noon. That means with Moon at about 2 Aquarius nearly half the day could be eliminated if you can determine Moon sign. Then you can bump the chart to the earliest Asc area and work incrementally from there.

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posted January 16, 2020 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had an additional thought once seeing your g-pa too. He could be an Aries rising (looks very similar to a few I've known), if this formula works she could be a Libra rising? (Were the desc to be magnetic to an Ari asc) She is classic, beautiful and it appears she was fashionable? Her photos really reflect her poise. Idk
I too had to guess my g-parents times too.
Sometimes the Moon echos from a mother to child. Or something does an echo, if you had your mom's (if it was your moms mom) you could compare them. My mother/I are flipped with Sun+Asc. We are Sun/asc Aqu/Sag and Sag/Aqu . My mother inherited Taurus Moon from her mother, in the siblings they all got Aqu and tau energy from my gma.


*if you ever want to dabble in asteroids, doing synastry with their charts might reflect the magnetism between love asteroids. It is exploratory but it might def help.

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posted January 16, 2020 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@polkadotstars

Thank you for posting the chart!

There are a few indicators that help narrow down the Asc possibilities.

Sun
Your grandfather's Sun is on the Pisces/Aries cusp. Your grandmother's Sun is in Scorpio. There needs to be some mirroring between spouses.

- A Pisces Sun in his chart would square Pluto. That would mirror her Scorpio Sun.

- She has Sun opposite Mars. He would repeat her aspect with a Sun/Mars square in his chart.

Based on this two points above I would exclude the possibility of an Aries Sun (I don't count out of sign aspects). So any Asc that puts his Sun in Aries is not the right one.

Moon
I believe your grandmother's Moon is definitely in Aquarius. In the early degrees of Aquarius it squares Mars in Taurus.
This would match your grandfather's Aries Moon.
Again, if the Ascendant puts the Moon in Capricorn, it's not the right one.


Venus
Your grandfather's Venus is unaspected in Pisces. It shows a trine to Pluto but the aspect is out of sign. So I don't count it.
This means that your grandmother definitely needs to mirror that. It's not influenced by any other energy, it's basically just Pisces and the energy of the house it is in. The possible options are:

- Pisces Ascendant
- H12 Venus
- Neptune on the Asc/in H1

My guess is:
Grandmother = Leo Ascendant
- Asc ruler Sun in Scorpio
- Dsc ruler Uranus in Pisces conjunct his Sun. The Aqua Dsc would match with your grandfather being divorced twice when he married your grandmother. Plus Dsc ruler Uranus in Pisces matching the symbolism of a partner having secrets (he didn't tell her about his previous marriages) and that of substance abuse (alcoholism in his case).

Grandfather = Taurus Asc (matching her Taurus Mars)
- Asc ruler Venus in Pisces matching her Dsc ruler Uranus.
- Dsc in Scorpio where her Asc ruler Sun is.


I don't know the cities/timezones they were born, so I don't know if Leo and Taurus Asc is possible with the points I mentioned earlier but this is what makes most sense to me.

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