posted March 15, 2020 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Thank you for explaining it better than I can. I just didn't have the energy...

Nor the motivation to keep defending myself against accusations that I value the economy more than people. I who have been homeless at some point, unemployed at times. And I have gone through quite a few up and down in the US economy. I can say I prefer the up better than the down. I am currently in my 60s, but in excellent health, and not worried about Covid-19 for myself. I do not want the economy to come to a grind. Not because I want to protect Wall Street, but because THE VULNERABLE PEOPLE DEPEND ON THE MONEY GENERATED BY THIS SO CALLED EVIL ECONOMY TO KEEP THEM ALIVE through their co-morbidities, multiple daily medications, multiple doctor follow up and care, hospital stays, surgeries and other medical interventions.

Not saying that our healthcare system doesn't need serious reforming, but that's a different convo for another day. Even if we had medicare for all, it would still require a significant chunk of evil money from the evil economy.

If some of us want to drape themselves in righteous anger while ignoring the very real economic and social challenges that will be knocking at our doors without trying to find ways to mitigating them when we still have time, they are in for a rude awakening. I am just the messenger. I said what I had to say. Now I am out. eace:

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Thank you for responding! I hear you girl!

posted March 15, 2020 02:27 PM            

Medical personnel for the most part are saying this is a concern but the panic is worse, and not worth the panic, especially not a panic that punishes them for our, and yes, your fear, or your "solutions." (Natural disasters and diseases happen all the time, what's going on now is pretty minor compared to many other years, as if Mother Nature isn't even trying that hard this time, and yet the panic just keeps getting bigger to the point of catastrophizing, because that sells.)

And Wall Street owned hospitals have many despicable practices that you're probably overlooking. It's not about public service anymore. (Again, not to be confused with doctors who are independent contractors caught up in all of this, they vary by individual. Doctors Without Borders does give me hope for the human race.)

I'm not talking about replacing Wall Street with any form of communism (though I do appreciate Robert Anton Wilson's comment about how Capitalism and Communism isn't so much a choice as it is a dilemma--I'll refrain on explaining basic socialism as practiced in many wealthy nations, and the United States to an extent, to an American probably nursed on right wing propaganda that love false dichotomies, even conflating Denmark with Venezuela) or printing out more dollar bills (which I think are in the early stages of being phased out anyway). But I have no doubt the welfare you think the poor should not get will bail out the corporations if they actually do suffer (read: not get as big of a Christmas bonus). It always happens and is just one of the ways they get welfare. The United States isn't going to devolve into a third world country because of this.

I'm well aware of Democrats also using fear (though climate change is a complicated issue, too much to go into here) and I expect everyone to exploit this to their advantage as best they can, and when all is said and done, Wall Street will win. If Biden replaces Trump in 2020, I'm still certain Wall Street will get their bailouts if "necessary" (as they define it), and yes we, the people, will have to pay for it out of our own pockets as we always do, no matter how much they brought their troubles on themselves, and then continue to buy their products on top of that while they squirrel away their own tax debt into various shelters ranging from the legal to the black.

College debt may be crushing (through a system that badly needs reform and uses a host of unethical tactics to be so), schools and libraries may fall apart, but the corporations will stay rich, though they will continue to move jobs overseas (THAT might devolve the US economy, I'm not sure how far they'll be willing to take that since they still need customers). (Though I honestly don't know what to make of Bernie.)

I'm also aware of both sides preferring their internet bubbles with their fake news (don't pretend FOX News and Brietbart is any different) and that exacerbates cognitive dissonance for ideological causes, and ironically gets sheeple to call others in other internet bubbles (and those that eschew them) as sheeple. It's rather annoying to observe and wish more people could remember we're one people who are supposed to have certain values beyond the dollar rather than divided into partisan politics and tribes (which advertising companies will, I'm sure, continue to make billions per year studying, exacerbating, and exploiting, yay economy).

There are different paradigms that get used elsewhere that still values the free market (the current economy you seem to see as crucial strikes me as the disease masquerading as its own cure), including from our own past (that could be brought back, hopefully leaving out the more sordid practices also from back then), though come to think of it, a lot of the protections put into place (including by Republicans like Nixon) are being undone so in a manner of speaking that is happening, just in the wrong way. (There's also some ideas liberals have put into place that I think have done more harm than good with the noble intent of keeping dirty money out of politics which has backfired in a bad way, but that's another topic.)

posted March 15, 2020 06:46 PM            

No worries Belage, unless someone insists on being an arsehole I usually go for the silver lining and as I've said, I think the questions you ask are horrendous, but not because you are, because the reality of our society is. I think you’re right, the most vulnerable people depend on the economy, but I think that fact is SO wrong; and I speak as a vulnerable one, I should have been in confinement for a fortnight due to my health, but had to keep on working and now my place of work has closed and I have no clue what of me, but I know adapting my job to that is costing me a lot more direct health than attending, so I don’t think my immune system is better and I’m safer now I’m mostly home (also, unless you own a house, we all breathe the same air, so confinement is seriously limited, except on Thursdays when the neighbours have a curry and I can partake vicariously for zero effort or calories 😊

Hypatia, I don't think you're using fear tactics in your other post at all, but I am ****** off that economic logic is relevant, if anything, this to me proves why we should ditch it entirely, but, of course, if you approach it rationally and in continuation with what is, it makes sense… I'm just massively on board with Pluto, I've been thinking our society needs the Pluto treatment so, I'm impossibly hopeful now that we may crash, burn and go to rebirth instead of avoiding the crash and save the economy. It sounds like saving the cancer that’s eating us alive, just because getting the chemo is what gets us in the hospital and puts a roof over our heads and a meal in our plates 3 times a week… I don’t like money, or the economy, I understand what you say about printing more and it having less value, but it’s worth **** to me so I really wonder why don’t we do that? There’s such an imbalance worldwide… I'm a Leo Venus, I love the drama

Pixie, I feel you, I wouldn't associate the fear thing to as much as you did, but your certainly made a great point in describing it and its economical role....

posted March 16, 2020 05:37 AM            

No. Why would they ever do such a horrendous thing to the human kind..

posted March 16, 2020 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic~Melody:
Husband going out to store today. Interested to know how the aisles look. I’m a bit of a border so already had a super pack of to before this all started. Having him get some canned goods. More messages to curtail his usual client visits to only what is necessary.
My daughter was sick last week with a cold and today was supposed to be last day of school but I kept her home. No use sending her out when they are keeping them home for two weeks. She just had a cold with no fever. I’ve been feeling like I’m coming down with something for a few days and woke up to a dry cough this morning. Kinda creepy but I’m guessing I just have her cold and need more liquids.

They closed my grandmother’s assisted living facility last week to all visitors.

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A dry cough is one of the symptoms so just in case stay in and check daily to see if you to develop a fever.

I obviously don't want to get it but I do feel that most people will beat it or just get it mildly so you should be fine. We will find a cure or vaccine for it probably sooner than later. Here are some good news, the trials will start soon for this treatment:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-resea rchers-CURE-coronavirus.html

posted March 16, 2020 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
A dry cough is one of the symptoms so just in case stay in and check daily to see if you to develop a fever.

I obviously don't want to get it but I do feel that most people will beat it or just get it mildly so you should be fine. We will find a cure or vaccine for it probably sooner than later. Here are some good news, the trials will start soon for this treatment:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-resea rchers-CURE-coronavirus.html

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posted March 16, 2020 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Has anyone not asked themselves why governments are NOT educating people on how to best, and safely, boost their immune system??! Like: “hey, vitamin c will not cure this virus BUT, if taken in larger amounts it WILL do some good things for your body!” Or “eat healthier,try not to stress/panic and for the love of God: SLEEP”.

No. Why would they ever do such a horrendous thing to the human kind..

I have been taking LARGE amounts of various vitamins for many, many years. Earlier because I was boozing a lot and needed extra help and I was also exercising a lot. I haven’t been REAL sick since 2011 and then because I got injected with antibiotics which rendered me in the ER from acute allergies to it. I have NEVER vaccinated myself for the flu, ever. Not saying this shouldn’t be done, by some. I’ll just continue doing what seems to be working for me.

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I was just thinking about what you are saying precisely yesterday!

I agree with you. The medical industry is brainwashed into thinking that there is only one solution and the solution must always come from big pharma. Doctors are not trained to think outside the box and think of natural ways to treat things and just advise people to prevent all together by keeping their immunological system strong in the first place.

I am taking daily now for several weeks Vitamin C, Vitamin D and Omega 3, and Echinacea.

I ordered some stuff online yesterday that includes Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, B12, B6 and a proprietary blend that boost the immunological system, an enhanced version of the Emergency C packets basically.

posted March 16, 2020 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I too, feel strongly that this will be solved just as quickly as it came!! We all need to stay positive!! There are immensely intelligent and capable researchers all over the world and I think I’m not lying when saying they are working non stop with this!

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posted March 16, 2020 12:20 PM            

Don't know if this is truly true but perhaps it can help it from progressing into something worse.

posted March 16, 2020 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Has anyone not asked themselves why governments are NOT educating people on how to best, and safely, boost their immune system??! Like: “hey, vitamin c will not cure this virus BUT, if taken in larger amounts it WILL do some good things for your body!” Or “eat healthier,try not to stress/panic and for the love of God: SLEEP”.

No. Why would they ever do such a horrendous thing to the human kind..

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I don’t know if we should blame government or the news for the chaos... All they do are just threaten us and create more problems.

I said in the beginning why not to quarantine people who is coming from the dangerous areas? It was probably too expensive to do, and now we need to quarantine the whole country.

The Travel ban is made bunch of people run to the US just to be stuck in the airports for days in the dangerous conditions where they can easily infect each other and bring it to us. It would be much smarter to stay where they are. It’d be safer for them!
A lot of stupid actions from all sides.

posted March 16, 2020 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I don’t know if we should blame government or the news for the chaos... All they do are just threaten us and create more problems.

I said in the beginning why not to quarantine people who is coming from the dangerous areas? It was probably too expensive to do, and now we need to quarantine the whole country.

The Travel ban is made bunch of people run to the US just to be stuck in the airports for days in the dangerous conditions where they can easily infect each other and bring it to us. It would be much smarter to stay where they are. It’d be safer for them!
A lot of stupid actions from all sides.

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posted March 16, 2020 05:45 PM            

Just my luck. Can't have anything how I want, bros.

posted March 16, 2020 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I myself, have wondered about it a bit more pragmatically... see, the toilet rolls aisles at the local supermarket have been emptied, as in so many other areas and pasta too are MIA.
And this is impossibly puzzling to me, can someone please explain???????????

If you're stuck home for months, toilet roll is the last basic you’ll need (unless you don't have water anymore), you can wash! (and nobody go Greta on me, it takes far less water to wash your junk after a wee-wee or a wee-poo than it does flushing either), and also pasta is what the doctor tells you to eat before a colon exam because it makes close to no residue, so what do these people hope to **** exactly with their strict diet of pasta? …And bleach?! Do people know that one of the first things bleach does to humans when we inhale it is to attack the respiratory system? Add to that the fact other sanitary products are still abundantly peopling the aisles and I am left with incomprehensible scenarios involving dirty people wiping the idea of spaghetti from their arses while their lungs deplete from breathing in the vapours of extra sanitising everything around… and women, so many women, who have all the toilet roll in the world, but not a single tampon. It's a scary world.

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It's not just the panic (despite that we've survived, sometimes barely noticed, much greater natural disasters and diseases that were far worse and bursting of economic bubbles--even New Orleans hasn't fully recovered from Katrina yet and it's been nearly 15 years), it's the profiteers.

I'm glad to see most are taking sensible precautions. More gloves and the like, and though the library I go to remains open they've suspended the group activities for the rest of the month. The sensible stuff will keep an already not so deadly disease (certainly not as bad as a great many others that have afflicted us over the years) into manageable numbers and should minimize the effects (panic on the other hand...)

But politicians in the US want to exploit this if this is an election year for them (I've noticed our governor, not up for reelection for a couple of years, is keeping a lower profile, though rubber stamping, and very likely correct that most people won't even remember this two years from now) so combined with clickbait sensationalism it can lead to panic that shouldn't be happening. (These are also great for misdirecting from legislation being passed as well, not just for exploiting in elections.)

During times of calm, a great many people even admit that this is an unfortunate side of our species (and even like to quote that line in Men In Black about how panicky people are). But enough on that. Or of the much worse causes of death still with us, and will continue to kill us long after coronavirus is forgotten (and yet doesn't engender the same panic or cries for desperate action).

Many buy in case they have to stay inside for a month (either out of fear which may or may not be reasonable) or even an actual quarantine. Though I had to say I was deeply disturbed by how popular soap suddenly was as I was left with the impression that like 90% of the people must not normally wash their hands or take regular baths.

But I've learned it's much more than that. Some profiteers have been filling TRUCKLOADS of this, sometimes going state to state, and then selling at inflated prices online. Sure, they come up with excuses of it being a public service in which they have to ship it (despite that Amazon and such charges separately for that, at least it's always pushing Amazon Prime on me for free delivery whenever I want to order something, so that price isn't in the product itself), to get it to where others don't have it (and thus least likely to need it, but now they made sure a great many places won't have it when otherwise they would), and other BS to justify their despicable actions, which their neighbors aren't having.

One pic I saw was like an entire garage filled with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and the like. And he's just one of the profiteers, and he'd already sold a bunch before Amazon and Ebay (originally just taking their cut, but decided enough was enough) threatened to cancel his account due to people making an issue of hoarding and profiteering during a pandemic. (I wonder how many of these profiteers are also ticket scalpers since it works on the same, for want of a better word, principle.)

I also just back from the store today to see that the hours will be shorter (but not inconveniently so for the vast majority of people, still open to 10 PM) to make sure shelves are full when they open in the morning, and signs saying that large purchases (that is clearing their shelves) will no longer be allowed.

If other stores and services do this as well then the empty shelves are likely to abate soon (though some frustrated people will probably try to buy up a lot at reasonable prices the moment they can, but should be brief).

posted March 16, 2020 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Has anyone not asked themselves why governments are NOT educating people on how to best, and safely, boost their immune system??! Like: “hey, vitamin c will not cure this virus BUT, if taken in larger amounts it WILL do some good things for your body!” Or “eat healthier,try not to stress/panic and for the love of God: SLEEP”.

No. Why would they ever do such a horrendous thing to the human kind..

I have been taking LARGE amounts of various vitamins for many, many years. Earlier because I was boozing a lot and needed extra help and I was also exercising a lot. I haven’t been REAL sick since 2011 and then because I got injected with antibiotics which rendered me in the ER from acute allergies to it. I have NEVER vaccinated myself for the flu, ever. Not saying this shouldn’t be done, by some. I’ll just continue doing what seems to be working for me.

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I am with you 100%

posted March 16, 2020 11:06 PM            

As a saggy riser conjunct neptune square moon in pisces my instinct is to go with the flow and not stress too much bc no matter the outcome "it is what it is" so I might as well enjoy each day. I am at peace with dying even though I rather keep living too, moon rules my 8H and is in pisces and squares Neptune right on my AC in saggy, I feel I am weirdly accepting of death so when people pass away I deal with it strangely well even if I might grief deeply but briefly for them. What is stressing me out more at this point is everyone stressing out which makes me stress out bc I absorb everything since I am neptunian. TBF neptune can also let fears take over or go the route of having faith, letting go and accepting whatever the outcome is, it depends. It can be a battle between fear and faith.

This been said I don't automatically minimize and belittle the fact that people are stressing and want to be cautious bc the projections are clear that a lot more people will die from this than the influenza flue definitely but nothing near the Spanish Flue either but from my perspective if "sh*t is going to hit the fan, its going to hit the fan." I think deep down I feel that we have an illusion that we can control this, that we can slow it down and that we can beat it but I guess ultimately all this is been done to help pace the flow of people ending up in hospitals over this.

I feel ultimately is going to spread and unless we find a cure or vaccine it will boil down to survival of the fittest. Does this mean everyone who is older will die from it? NO. Does it mean everyone who has pre-existing health conditions will die from it? NO but yes they are at higher risk.

posted March 17, 2020 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
To keep this astrological..Saturn, Pluto and Jupiter in Cap..how much blatant can it get!? OLD methods need to go and they're not listening but I think that when all of this is said and done, many with "power" will be exhausted, ashamed and hopefully remorseful when looking at the mayhem THEY caused. Again. Trump has said things will get better in April which coincides with Saturn in Aqua. Universal freedom?? Does he practice astrology??

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posted March 17, 2020 02:10 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by charlie:
[b] To keep this astrological..Saturn, Pluto and Jupiter in Cap..how much blatant can it get!? OLD methods need to go and they're not listening but I think that when all of this is said and done, many with "power" will be exhausted, ashamed and hopefully remorseful when looking at the mayhem THEY caused. Again. Trump has said things will get better in April which coincides with Saturn in Aqua. Universal freedom?? Does he practice astrology??

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He has mars in Leo on his AC so he has a strong immulogical system I bet so unlikely to die over it. This gives him a warrior spirit too and if you start something with him Mars reacts fast and strikes back. He leaves you alone if you dont mess with him, Mars on the AC does not back down, it defends itself, period.