posted March 08, 2020 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
It has been considered and investigated by a professional astrologer, hypatia. ... He confirmed 'Virgo R Us", and neither strangers nor intimate acquaintances would doubt that (from my physical appearance and worn-on-the-sleeve behavioural traits).

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posted March 08, 2020 01:07 PM            

I have an easy chart in that Aries is my ascendant so all the houses fall in order that way. Libra being my desc. I have moon and mars in libra as well.

posted March 08, 2020 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
There is another client of mine I have been seen for over a year now and I learned recently she has Scorpio rising but her PLUTO is in LEO and conjuncts Jupiter in LEO. She is friendly, warm and outgoing and can be blunt. How she interacts with others is definitely more LEO than scorpio rising, I only sense her scorpio rising when she gets angry bc I start to see this vindictive resentful side to her but it took me a long time to even pick up on the scorpio as you see more the libra in her initially, SHE has SUN in libra with Venus in Libra and Sun in Libra rules her Chart ruler Pluto conjunct Jupiter in LEO. How she interacts with the world is definitely a LEO/LIBRA blend and you don't notice the scorpio rising in her much actually, her scorpio rising is at 28 degrees too so most of it falls in her 12H, I don't feel she owns her scorpio side a lot since is mostly in her 12H.

Her son always says that when she walks into a room she lights up the room not in line with AC in scorpio but with her PLUTO conjunct Jupiter in LEO.

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posted March 08, 2020 10:31 PM            

However, I have zero fire otherwise except for Mars in the 1st in Placidus and already have my Pisces Moon in the 12th house sextiling Neptune pretty closely, so there's already a lot of Neptunian influence there. I also can't deny that I can come off a bit arrogant even if I don't mean to and have a history of being very self-absorbed.

I do relate to my chart ruler's sign, Mars in Taurus, so it makes sense why my Mars qualities are calmed down a bit. Additionally, I have Venus square my Ascendant and conjunct/parallel Sun and South Node, so there's a lot of Venusian influence too. Therefore I relate to both, but there's a lot of nuance involved in addition to being a heavy water person.

posted March 09, 2020 12:00 AM            

I'm curious if you fit the Aries pattern with a bit of Taurus twist.

posted March 09, 2020 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
I've been thinking about this lately and why I don't relate to being a go-getter Aries Ascendant. After some time pondering the possibly of being a late Pisces Ascendant, Pisces just doesn't seem right to me. My gut feeling is that I am indeed an Aries Ascendant, first decan.

However, I have zero fire otherwise except for Mars in the 1st in Placidus and already have my Pisces Moon in the 12th house sextiling Neptune pretty closely, so there's already a lot of Neptunian influence there. I also can't deny that I can come off a bit arrogant even if I don't mean to and have a history of being very self-absorbed.

I do relate to my chart ruler's sign, Mars in Taurus, so it makes sense why my Mars qualities are calmed down a bit. Additionally, I have Venus square my Ascendant and conjunct/parallel Sun and South Node, so there's a lot of Venusian influence too. Therefore I relate to both, but there's a lot of nuance involved in addition to being a heavy water person.

Actually, I'm quite happy to have this as my Ascendant now even if I only have negative aspects with it because it provides some much needed fire. Otherwise, I'd be even more of a loss soul as a double Pisces/heavy water person, and I wouldn't have any fire to dispel that. It would almost be like having Kurt Cobain's chart...it's just too much water for a person.

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I looove your own analysis! and it goes in line with what I am observing that people tend to identify more with the sign their chart ruler falls in than their AC sign even if their AC is very much a part of who they are too.

posted March 09, 2020 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:

I do have SN in aquarius, so it's likely that that has an influence on my identifying with aquarius and Uranus.

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posted March 09, 2020 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Moongaze, if you feel comfortable, can you give a detailed description of your looks?

I'm curious if you fit the Aries pattern with a bit of Taurus twist.

If I remember correctly, your Asc is cusping Pisces anyways, and so some of that Aries would be toned down by the Pisces cusping. Cusping is MOST noticed with the Asc, because it's the fastest moving one of the most sensitive parts of the chart.

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Hi!! I believe I do look rather Arian, so that's another reason why I feel it's in Aries. I'll try to be somewhat descriptive.

posted March 09, 2020 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I looove your own analysis! and it goes in line with what I am observing that people tend to identify more with the sign their chart ruler falls in than their AC sign even if their AC is very much a part of who they are too.

As someone heavily neptunian, I am also very glad myself I have IC in Aries with mars in leo in the 8H bc if not I would be completely dominated, it would actually be quite sad. The IC in aries and my mars give me the strength and balls to stand up for myself and fight and to set needed boundaries and to say "fu*k off." It gave me courage to always stand up for myself during my middle school years for example when I was bullied or perhaps better put "targeted."

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Thank you! Yeah, for better or worse I do relate to Mars in Taurus very much. I'm thinking there is something to the chart ruler sign. I'm sure it gives the Ascendant some added dimension.

posted March 09, 2020 03:33 AM            

As far as the vibe and personality goes, I suspect it is the combo of Pisces cusping and Mars in Taurus that is toning down the Aries some. Plus don't you have strong Pisces otherwise?

I once dated a lass that has Aries Sun, Aries Rising, Sag. Moon, Aries Mars opposed Pluto Libra, and Taurus Venus. Her Aries Sun is conjunct her Aries Asc. She is an interesting person. Physically, she is unusually strong, somewhat tall, and large boned for a female (and generally more masculine looking).

posted March 09, 2020 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Neither the Asc not the Sign where Asc Ruler is. The Planet Exactly Aspecting the Asc. Conjunction first then Opposition then others....

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I agree that the highlighted Planets tend to be stronger for many, than the highlighted signs.

There are a subset of people that pretty much live completely from their first 3 centers, who are better described by their strongest Signs in some ways, because they are more personality based/oriented (and tend towards the negative expressions of those Signs). However, even then particularly strong Planets will be important to look at. Chances are, unless freewill has changed things, in their charts, Saturn, Mars, Moon, Pluto and/or Mercury will be their strongest Planets, and Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Venus will tend to be rather weak/passive/unconscious. The reason why, is because the first set of Planets mentioned, most correspond to the first 3 Centers, which is that of the physical to etheric levels of energy within the human energy system. The 2nd set of Planets most correspond to the upper centers from the 4th to above and correspond to the purely nonphysical levels of the human energy system. Uranus being unusual in that it swings back and forth between the two sets. Pluto also being somewhat unusual in that, it really depends on what Planets are strongest with it. If the faster vibratory Planets, then it will tend to be used in a more constructive way. If the slower vibratory Planets, then it will tend to be used in much less constructive ways, not considering freewill potentially changing things.

Traditional rules apply a lot. Such as Cadency, etc. The weakest/least consciously amplifying Houses in general are the 12th (unless a Planet is conjunct the Asc or the closest Planet to the Asc), 6th, 3rd, and 9th from least to slightly more so.

These are followed by the Succedent in about order of least to less so, 8th, 2nd, 11th, and 5th (the 5th is actually a fairly amplifying area of the chart, and especially so when a Planet is there and in direct, major aspect to the Asc point. In that case, it's often on par with the 4th and 7th, if not actually stronger and more conscious in some ways).

Angular being the most consciously highlighting for Planets in this lifetime. In order from less to most, 4th, 7th, 10th, and 1st.

If a Planet is placed in it's natural house, whether Cadent, Succedent, and/or Angular, then it will get a bit of a boost. However, the boost is not as much as if a Planet is in it's own Sign. Or in other words, Venus in the 2nd does not highlight Venus as much as Venus in Taurus or Libra does. But because the 7th is already an Angular and highlighting area to begin with, Venus in the 7th does become quite strong and rivals Venus in the 10th, but is not as strong as Venus in the 1st or conjunct the Asc.

There are kind of the relative degrees and weighing and balancing that one learns over a lot of time and practice, and a lot of reading of the various classics.

posted March 09, 2020 06:28 PM            

I like that about the Ascendant -- how the cusping characteristics would be more apparent due to its faster movement out of everything else in the chart. It makes sense.

Yes, Moon in Pisces is ruler of my Sun in Cancer, so I believe it is pretty strong. People have assumed I was a Pisces before based on my vibe, but I have been told I come off like any water sign too.

Even though I am pretty lanky, I am naturally very strong as well. I can carry heavy loads with ease. Must be the Aries Ascendant/Taurus Mars influence.

Wow, I'm sorry. That must have hurt. Interesting that she had a lot of fire placements. Tons of Aries. I feel even though this earth has some beauty to it, it's also a place of immense pain and suffering. No matter how good someone is, I don't think anyone is free from it. Everyone goes through it, just in different shades. Yeah, working with what I've been granted in this life and trying to make use of it is pivotal. Knowing Astrology in this regard has been extremely beneficial as a guiding tool. At least we have this at our disposal. Life would have been way more difficult to navigate otherwise, at least for me anyway.

posted March 10, 2020 03:37 AM            

From a distance, peoples impression of me sounds negative:
gloomy, lost, arrogant, emo (goth like), unfriendly, serious.

From talking, it's sweet, child-like (innocent), naive, friendly, aloof, soft-spoken but sometimes i see hostility/hesitation from people if I don't smile (I don't think Libra would signal threats) I don't have a good social skill so conversation doesn't get too far.

My south node tightly conjunct the chart ruler maybe that can explains it too.

posted March 10, 2020 04:44 AM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Interesting thread! I've never really thought of it that way.

I have an easy chart in that Aries is my ascendant so all the houses fall in order that way. Libra being my desc. I have moon and mars in libra as well.

I suppose in social situations I'd be very Aries. I'm outgoing and chatty. I think my Libra side is more for home life. At home I'm pretty "domesticated" in that I enjoy home and all its comforts. I like to cook and decorate and throw parties. I do all of the holiday gatherings every year.

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I remember you saying you’d wondered if you reminded me of my mother. You do, because of all of this. She had Sun in Sagittarius, moon in Libra, Venus in Scorpio, and her estimated time of birth gave her an Aries ascendant (conjunct my Sun).

posted March 10, 2020 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by MilaBirkin:
Although it seems contradictory, with both, Taurus and Aquarius. I have Taurus rising and Venus in Aquarius conjunct Midheaven, exact, that's the most exact aspect I have.
I have always say that I identify with Pisces (my sun), Aquarius and Taurus more than other signs, even though when I didn't know anything about astrology I usually read about all signs and I was like 'wo, why do I identify with Taurus and Aquarius as well if I'm a Pisces?', haha.

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posted March 10, 2020 07:36 PM            

I think what Mercury in Taurus does for me is slow down my perception/reaction in some ways (so long as my temper hasn't been triggered: Mercury is parallel Mars in my chart). I'm more given to writing than talking, except for short bursts with wife and close friends.

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posted March 10, 2020 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I've thought about his question for a while after seeing your post, hypatia238. I'd have to say that it's roughly equal. I can't say I identify more with Taurus because Mercury/significator of my Virgo rising is in Taurus. I have Pluto 8° past my Asc 17° Virgo, so in the 1st, but I also have Sun-Saturn, Mercury-Venus in Taurus. I'm a flexible, persistent, deep thinker focused on getting things 'right', on clarity, underlying principles, health, private inner life, etc. And that's roughly equal to how I identify with the stability, comfort, and appreciation of natural and physical beauty, poetry, and long-term orientation and plodding nature of Taurus.

I think what Mercury in Taurus does for me is slow down my perception/reaction in some ways (so long as my temper hasn't been triggered: Mercury is parallel Mars in my chart). I'm more given to writing than talking, except for short bursts with wife and close friends.

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What house does your mercury fall in?

Sounds like you have a strong Taurus presence in your chart but you also have Virgo rising and venus in gemini I think so definitely a mutable presence too making you a lot more open and flexible in your thinking. I see pluto is also adding depth in your thinking and AC in Virgo makes you very observant to details.

posted March 10, 2020 11:03 PM            

Your are right: Mercury-Venus in Taurus & Mars in Gemini in the 9th house.
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posted March 11, 2020 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
@GalacticCoreExplosion

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Thank you for the further info. Yes, the ruler of your Sun Sign, the Moon, being in Pisces "extra" highlights Pisces in your chart.

Thank you..well yes, it wasn't the best of timing, but ultimately it was a good decision on her part. And like I said, self was balancing karma for our Spirit's other Soul self, John.

Good points about the nature of the world and of the human condition.

It was nice chatting with you, (as always), I'll likely be taking an extended vacation from here to work on some other projects.

posted March 12, 2020 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
My ascendent ruler is in the same sign my ascendent is in lol but it doesn't conjunct it. I don't really identify with my ascendent sign or ruler much really. I think I am more like my 1st house Venus and Saturn.
It's funny because someone posted on reddit forum for people to post their pic and guess their energy from the pic. People always think Im Earth or Fire lol the 2 least dominant elements in my chart 😂

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What is your MC on? and do you have planets in your 10th house? if so what signs are they in?