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MMarie
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posted December 17, 2020 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MMarie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
with who? we cool 🤷‍♀️

Yeah not you at all just seems to be a tricky subject...we cool we cool 😄

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posted December 17, 2020 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lumičre-gitan:
sauerkraut, i hadn't thought of the right word. i meant a boyfriend or girlfriend thief. a person who wants and takes what is already taken.

those ladys who date married men and break families or long term relationships up. men sometimes do too. yes competitive but against what? if the one being cheated on does not know there is a competition?
could pluto have inclination for this?



I've never dated a married man but I have flirted with and kissed one. But I had no intention of stealing them from their wives.

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posted December 17, 2020 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I watched several videos about Venus in the 12th house. And it seems like these people are looking for a soulmate type of love.

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posted December 17, 2020 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Travelman:
Well, in that case (unevolved), it could be any sign...

obviously. as i implied in my second post after looking at a small batch of empirical data, it could be any sign for conquest or unfaithfulness. i went with aries in theory for the conquest part of the question based on what ive read and myself. the raw data showed otherwise.

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Originally posted by lumičre-gitan:
sauerkraut, i hadn't thought of the right word. i meant a boyfriend or girlfriend thief. a person who wants and takes what is already taken.

those ladys who date married men and break families or long term relationships up. men sometimes do too. yes competitive but against what? if the one being cheated on does not know there is a competition?
could pluto have inclination for this?


the title of the thread is throwing the discussion off here. the real inquiry seems to be more lilith based synastry or maybe not? a person cant really “steal” someone who is supposedly committed if that person didnt want to stray. the emphasis shouldnt be on the “homewrecker” but on the one who made and broke the commitment. maybe you mean someone who gets off on that? that could be anyone with low self esteem or worth.

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Haha how many times do I have to say it I wasn’t saying cheating more so liking the unattainable aspect. ... Everyone’s different and experience things differently. That was just my opinion of attraction towards the unavailable with the knowledge I have.

THIS. lol mmarie.. i admire your patience.

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posted December 17, 2020 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lumičre-gitan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry.
i will change to "unobtainable" on my post.

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posted December 18, 2020 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this thread about people who are in a relationship and cheat? Or people who specifically go after those who are already attached and get a high when they manage to “snatch” them away? Let’s also be careful about branding people who ever got themselves caught in a triangle relationship situation. It does not mean that they enjoy it. I’ve seen those that were unaware and suffered when they found out. I’ve also seen those where the one in the relationship was the fervent pursuer, wrecking their own relationships.

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posted December 18, 2020 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:
hmm on second thought, not sure what you are asking exactly? someone who wants what is taken is technically not a cheater..

a handful of people in question that i no longer associate with for various and obvious reasons:

- guy with aries venus in 3rd (sag mars 12th) who “stole” his current fiance from her long term bf. he told me the story in a very conquest-ish way. although he is faithful in action, he has many crushes and finds it a conquest for any of them to like him back
- guy with scorpio venus in 7th (libra mars 6th) who cheated on all his girlfriends with new girls, exes, married girls.. it didnt matter to him, no barriers could stop him and actually excited him. a serial “monogamist” with serial affairs
- girl with leo venus (cancer mars) who loved flirting inappropriately with guys who were taken. she would meet up with them “innocently” and publicly praised their relationships, however she would make snide remarks about their wives or girlfriends to me. she is also a serial “monogamist” who isnt exactly loyal. it seem like she strayed when not getting the attention but still talked about how great her relationship was
- guy with leo venus (virgo mars) who was/is in a good loving marriage and constantly tried to hit on me behind his wifes back. both him and his wife were loved by many close to them who thought they were the epitome of a great marriage. it got very awkward for me as i was cool with the wife. i removed myself from them and that whole circle of friends
- guy with virgo venus (libra mars) who cheated on his girlfriends with exes whenever the current one was on the outs
- guy with capricorn venus (aquarius mars) who married his long term girlfriend expressed to me that humans arent meant to belong to one person, although his wife doesnt need to know this

i guess the pattern here is that cheaters gonna cheat, conquesters gonna conquest, people gonna people? the actual cheaters on my list all have venus and mars in adjacent signs but i dont think thats a thing and is also only true for my small bit of data..

i have aries venus in 5th square cancer mars in 8th. when i was younger (late teens/early 20s), you could say i liked conquests. i didnt particularly care for the person afterwards and whether they were taken or not didnt matter. that didnt necessarily excite me and actually appalled me mostly. i hated disloyal liars. i just didnt care because it had nothing to do with me - feed my sad sad ego > my hypocritical idealistic spout. fortunately i became more conscious of these ways and realized that was not cool at all. i have always been loyal in relationships though, even when they were casual.


I also know someone with Virgo Venus/Libra Mars who has a pattern of 'exit cheating'. Cheating when they felt a relationship was over anyway, and then ending the relationship because 'it's definitely over now, so I have to end it'. Almost like not being happy isn't a good enough reason to end it, and cheating to provide a 'good enough' reason.

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posted December 18, 2020 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could be the asteroid Lie or even Bilk, but this is more with money. Neptune in hard aspect to Mercury may do it too. This is the lie aspect

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posted December 25, 2020 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted December 25, 2020 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Could be the asteroid Lie or even Bilk, but this is more with money. Neptune in hard aspect to Mercury may do it too. This is the lie aspect


I guess the Neptune/Mercury aspect is to be taken into account when there are other placements/aspects that would indicate to a cheater. I have Neptune square Mercury and I don't cheat.

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posted December 25, 2020 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if someone said this one already, but a Sagittarius Venus is a cheater placement, I think. I always saw them the hard to commit type.

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posted December 25, 2020 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
men with a Venus-Neptune hard aspect in their natal, and men with a Mars - Uranus hard aspect - i havent met one that hasnt cheated.
If you know of a man with the aformentioned aspects who is not a cheater, please let me know because at this point I am getting very biased and whenever i see it in a man's chart i am like "i know what you are doing, dudums" tz, tz,tz

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posted December 26, 2020 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
I don't know if someone said this one already, but a Sagittarius Venus is a cheater placement, I think. I always saw them the hard to commit type.

This is the only generic placement that has been 100% accurate untill now. No matter how serious and grounded the rest of the native's chart might be if there is a Venus in Sag (at least in a man's chart) it's enough to make him cheat. I'm suspecting the same goes for Mars in Sag but I haven't met enough people yet with that placement. However I haven't experienced Venus/Mars in Sag in aspect to Saturn/Pluto or smth other house placements like Saturn/Plutoin 5th and/or Saturn in 8th H that make the native more serious about sex and relationships in general.

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posted December 26, 2020 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
men with a Venus-Neptune hard aspect in their natal, and men with a Mars - Uranus hard aspect - i havent met one that hasnt cheated.
If you know of a man with the aformentioned aspects who is not a cheater, please let me know because at this point I am getting very biased and whenever i see it in a man's chart i am like "i know what you are doing, dudums" tz, tz,tz

Venus-Neptune by itself is not enough in a man's chart. He may idealize his lovers and be in love with those he can't have but it's not enough to make him cheat.

Haven't seen Uranus-Mars in hard aspect by itself yet. But Mars-Neptune-Uranus all of them conjuncting each other, even Mars conjunct Neptune when combined with a cold Moon is a serial f*cker.. they are addicted to sex at least when they're younger. It's quite interesting hiw this is the first thing they discuss when I'm analyzing their charts. Theh have sex like their life depends on it, they want it really bad especially when they find a girl attractive but they get bored quickly. Their words not mines. Some of them told me they would have sex with multiple different girls everyday.. This aspect gives the native lots kf that magnetic attraction too so people are easily attracted to them. Neptune knows how to mesmerize.
So loss of physical boundaries.
Again haven't seen this combo with Pluto/Saturn limiting the Neptune-Mars conjunction or Pluto/Saturn in 5th/8th H.

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posted December 26, 2020 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Moon-Venus-Mars are in difficult aspects with each other. The person's emotional needs do not match their tastes and/or their sexual desires.

Moon/Venus in Cap or in hard aspect to Saturn when compared with naughtier Moon/Venus/Mars placements will probably cheat later in the relationship because they stay in one way longer than they should thanks to Saturn but their naughtier side can't take it.

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posted December 26, 2020 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the chart of someone I know who has cheated, has been caught at work cheating with the boss and fired, and afterwards she was thinking in cheating again (with a different guy) has:

Moon square Mars and Jupiter, conjunct Uranus
Mars square Uranus
Mars is chart ruler and is retrograde in Virgo
Neptune square Sun, Saturn and widely Mercury
She has all planets retrograde minus Venus and Neptune.
Skipped steps with Moon and Uranus.

She does have Saturn rx sextile her Moon and opposing her Sun though.

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posted December 26, 2020 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
men with a Venus-Neptune hard aspect in their natal, and men with a Mars - Uranus hard aspect - i havent met one that hasnt cheated.
If you know of a man with the aformentioned aspects who is not a cheater, please let me know because at this point I am getting very biased and whenever i see it in a man's chart i am like "i know what you are doing, dudums" tz, tz,tz


I know people of different genders with hard Venus- Neptune, none of them is cheater.

I know a girl who cheated has Scorpio Venus with Saturn (shouldn’t it be a very loyal on paper?..), no hard aspects with mars. But it might be a part of the plan or vengeance.

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posted December 26, 2020 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
When Moon-Venus-Mars are in difficult aspects with each other. The person's emotional needs do not match their tastes and/or their sexual desires.

Moon/Venus in Cap or in hard aspect to Saturn when compared with naughtier Moon/Venus/Mars placements will probably cheat later in the relationship because they stay in one way longer than they should thanks to Saturn but their naughtier side can't take it.


🤔 i have a t-square between all of them on my ascendant/descendant/ic/midheaven and mars loosely conjuncts neptune

i'm not a cheater though, if i'm with someone and i feel like something would be lacking if it was just me and them im honest and say i'd date them and other people

i can be very committed though not necessarily monogamous, but i wouldn't rule out monogamy with the right person

but that's all feelings based

i won't have a relationship though if i can't honestly say that to someone before it starts and they accept what i can be to them fully 🤷‍♀️

that'd just be ****** up, i can give someone exactly as much as i say i can

by that i mean the general feeling i get from a connection

i always tell people exactly how it is because you can't actually have a relationship without that transparency

i have been the other person before though it's been incidental and i've never made the first move but it's not something i'm into

didn't always know in the first place

but long stories there, my initial point was i guess if i did things secretly i'd be a cheater but i've always been open and **** just sort of happens anyway

can't really plan for some ****

could be the uranus/mercury easy aspects to moon-venus/ascendant/descendant off setting that a bit

nodes are there too so 🤷‍♀️

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posted December 26, 2020 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with the boundaries thing (your mars-neptune statement) i'm admittedly bad with that sort of thing though i don't cross lines first, when other people do things can be blurred and so like i've said "**** happens" and i mean that both physically and emotionally though not necessarily both at the same time from one person though that's not to say that never happens because it has and does in some ways

i also find detached people somewhat soothing, so there's that, like people who are quiet and introspective and can be detached are very easy for me to get along with

i feel very comfortable with someone who can be a bit cold, i find it grounding provided they also have some of feeling there this is why i tend to like earth moons in western and people with water placements

i don't avoid relationships where all my needs are not met by a single person partially because i can either meet them myself or there's other people and sometimes there's things to learn from a specific person that warrant time spent and so on 🤷‍♀️

it's not something i care for but eh

i also prefer to be physically attracted to someone who im emotionally attracted to but it isnt necessary, i don't care

because other people exist to some degree and to another degree both these needs are preferences i can be happy with either for some period of time even if there isnt both but that doesnt mean that i'll ever actually stray away from any promises of commitment i made

i got high and wandered away from this and forgot where i was going but i think i probably made enough points to post anyway

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posted December 26, 2020 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for efaki94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister has pisces venus at 29 degree if that counts
And she has been cheated on but she has cheated too.
BTW her progressed venus is in 12th house if that counts too.

But I have seen venus in taurus opposite pluto to have very bad history in cheating so you never know.
I can speak for myself though
Venus in virgo in 5th square mars trine neptune and uranus and I have never cheated
But of course it has passed my mind many times, I have flirted in nice way but never do anything.

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posted December 26, 2020 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for efaki94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have a cap mars i dont care for the conquest bit, have an aries moon too (and mars square venus)

i'm all for working on things when i have them, but i don't like the whole chasing after someone ********

if i have to chase i'm not interested why work hard for something i can get easily elsewhere?

i've never cheated either



Hello dumuzi
Does your moon have aspects to Uranus and neptune?
My bf has aries moon squaring neptune and uranus and I have read bad things for all these unfortunately.

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posted December 26, 2020 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by efaki94:

Hello dumuzi
Does your moon have aspects to Uranus and neptune?
My bf has aries moon squaring neptune and uranus and I have read bad things for all these unfortunately.

my moon is conjunct my descendant trine uranus (sag) and trine mercury in leo (they're both sextile my venus, my moon is opposite venus so it's part of a kite, and my moon/venus is also part of a t-square with my mars + i have south node conjunct venus/ascendant and north node conjunct moon/descendant)

my neptune is loosely conjunct my mars, sextile pluto, and trine my sun but that's it i think

mars loosely on my ic

my ex had aries moon square neptune and that was difficult to say the least lot of scorpio too though to make it more fun

i'm great though 😉

edit: if this is all written stupid my bad, i've been smoking weed for days

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posted December 27, 2020 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for efaki94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my moon is conjunct my descendant trine uranus (sag) and trine mercury in leo (they're both sextile my venus, my moon is opposite venus so it's part of a kite, and my moon/venus is also part of a t-square with my mars + i have south node conjunct venus/ascendant and north node conjunct moon/descendant)

my neptune is loosely conjunct my mars, sextile pluto, and trine my sun but that's it i think

mars loosely on my ic

my ex had aries moon square neptune and that was difficult to say the least lot of scorpio too though to make it more fun

i'm great though 😉

edit: if this is all written stupid my bad, i've been smoking weed for days



Hahaha
It's okay
I think I got the point
Just asking because aries moon is said to be the most unfaithful but I'm happy to hear one expectation
Haha

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posted December 27, 2020 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by efaki94:

Hahaha
It's okay
I think I got the point
Just asking because aries moon is said to be the most unfaithful but I'm happy to hear one expectation
Haha

the only exception? damn that'd be a lot of pressure 😁 but it's not really that simple as just one placement being everything

that's very broad you know? also i have a while to go never know what you might do right? 🤣 i don't want to rule it out 100% and be someone's example, it's unlike me though

ive had opportunities i didn't have to look for and have turned them down while in a relationship just on the foundation that the situation had not been openly discussed

i'm not necessarily monogamous, but i could manage it for a long time even with the wrong person

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posted December 27, 2020 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for efaki94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
the only exception? damn that'd be a lot of pressure 😁 but it's not really that simple as just one placement being everything

that's very broad you know? also i have a while to go never know what you might do right? 🤣 i don't want to rule it out 100% and be someone's example, it's unlike me though

ive had opportunities i didn't have to look for and have turned them down while in a relationship just on the foundation that the situation had not been openly discussed

i'm not necessarily monogamous, but i could manage it for a long time even with the wrong person



alot of pressure i know
hahaha
i dont know why but if you make some searches they say its the most unfaithful moon
but you r right one placement doesnt make u cheater
i just wanted to hear from somebody with this moon
that he can be monogamus too.
haha
sorry if its sounds silly.


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