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posted January 17, 2021 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From your observation of their behavior? In love? Habits?

Confused me a lil bit, since two people I know share almost the same behavior because they also has a combination of Taurus and Gemini in their chart.

What is the very significant difference between Taurus Venus and Gemini venus where you can tell exactly that's their venus sign?

Based on your experiences, not in theories please..

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posted January 17, 2021 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you can see it in their likes. A taurus venus will enjoy long term relationships while a Gemini Venus will not, actually they will have multiple partners. A taurus Venus likes touch and cuddles, a Gemini Venus admires the mind of the other. A Taurus Venus is grounded in their behaviour, a Gemini Venus is funny to be around most of the time.

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posted January 17, 2021 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Venus here, who has always wanted a stable, happy, committed relationship.

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posted January 17, 2021 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every Gemini Venus has stable relationships in the end, but is kind of different by the stable Taurus Venus. Any Gemini Venus I've seen and known, cheated, even if it was a boy or a girl, the relationships they had were superficial, due to the rational view on them, lack of emotional depth. What was good about it was that they were not possessive or jealous. A girl cheated on her boy friend with two of his best friends and after she told him why she did it, because she was feeling lonely. Another one, dumped her boyfriend for one of his classmates, a Gemini I dated, he dated another girl meanwhile he dated me and after I found out that what he felt for me was not a fit for me being an emotional being.
Meanwhile, a Taurus Venus is one that likes stable relationships, you can find people that cheat with this placement too, but is different by the kind of stable relationship a Gemini will look for.

Any Gemini Venus will marry and have a family. Just like any other sign.

In the end, there has to be many other placements and aspect to show a stable person or an erratic one in relationship. Considering just the Venus sign here, that's what I've seen and experienced until now.

A Gemini Venus will be a Gemini Sun, Cancer, or Leo. I guess that's why some people said that Cancers will cheat, which was kind of a surprise for me.

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posted January 17, 2021 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m exhausted, I don’t really have it in me to expand on my post much. People say that Gemini moons are liars, and I’m not a liar. Not every Gemini Venus will cheat. If a cancer sun cheats, it’s because they choose to.

I wish I had the energy to get into this. As a Gemini moon/Venus, I need good communication. That’s generally a good thing, regardless of signs. No matter how well you think you’re communicating, it won’t matter if the other person doesn’t care. One reason I don’t comment on a lot of relationship posts, is that in the end, people make an effort, or they don’t. I just wish that we could get away from this Gemini = all of these bad things. I love books, I love learning, communication is a must. I also need to feel safe, if I’m going to relax and open up. To not be skittish. I was always the one who didn’t want to date “bad boys” because I just wasn’t interested, and my family had dealt with enough BS.

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posted January 17, 2021 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know the sign is pretty good in communications and loving books and reading a lot. I have a Gemini Mars and I guess that's what it makes me to like learning and reading. I even went to faculty of letters to learn language and literature.

I just pointed out in comparison to the Taurus Venus. There are a lot of other aspects and placements to consider to show if a person will be a cheater or not. Comparing Taurus Venus with Gemini Venus, they are a lot different from each other. One is earth, the other is air, one is fixed, the other is mutable. One is turned on by physical touch, the other by mental connection.

I didn't mean to offend Geminis. I really enjoy being around them because they are very fun and enjoyable and you have what to talk with them all the time. I had a friend Gemini that we spent lots of nights talking about a ton of things and we couldn't get bored a second.

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posted January 17, 2021 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You didn’t offend me. I’m just tired.

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posted January 17, 2021 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Venus is Taurus.. on the 0’degree conjunct my NN so I actually think it’s extra Taurus lol

One major difference is being tactile... Gemini is an air sign so they will be more talkative when they flirt with someone. Taurus is very touchy feely... They are the type to run their fingers up and down the other person’s arm as they’re talking... or even in total silence lol

Also, they love nice materials. Gemini Venus will go more for the look or appearance of clothing, when shopping.. Taurus Venus wants their clothes to feel good.. so materials like silk, satin, velvet... are Taurus favourites. They really have an aversion to too much polyester or plastic in their clothing. They always check this on the labels. Gemini Venus will not be so OCD about this.

Another Taurus Venus trademark is having a very sensitive neck.. This is kind of an erogenous zone for Taurus. Gemini normally won’t go all gaga over someone touching or kissing their neck lol Taurus definitely will! Lol
Gemini Venus would be more interested in someone writing them a song or poem.

Appearance wise... Gemini can have a more slender look.. whereas Taurus is a bit more chunky. It depends from person to person. But usually I would think of Gemini Venus as supermodel/thin appearance.. and I would think of Taurus Venus as the more traditional hourglass shape. This also depends on the Ascendant though and genes.. so it’s not 100%

These are the first things that came to mind.. but I’ll update if I think of something else 🙂 Hope it helps!

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Teasel, this is why people need to get away from so much focus on the Signs. If I remember correctly, your Gemini Venus is conjunct Gemini Moon?

For the Moon, this will give a much more "Libra like" feel and vibe to the Moon--probably even more emotionally attuned than Libra Moon since Venus is more Yin and emotionally attuned than Libra. And it's even more modified since, aren't one or both of these are also strongly cusping Taurus?

For the Venus part, it will give a much more Cancerian like vibe to it. She may be fickle and changeable at times, but ultimately she wants security, dependability, and nurturing in a partner.

You have a very "modified" Moon and Venus, which is going to act and feel very different than a straight up Moon or Venus in Gemini.

Signs are over focused on in mainstream, pop astrology.

I'll give another example. I know someone who has Pisces Venus conjunct Pisces Saturn. She often does not act nor feel like a typical Pisces Venus. Pisces Venus is often rather giving, trusting, flexible/go with the flow, and kind in nature to others, especially to partners and close, loved ones (and tend to be very attracted to that in others even more so).

She CAN be (in spurts and/or very limited way), if she feels completely safe and accepted, but she also has a rather selfish, rigid, fearful/non trusting, and very self protective side that is very non Piscean like, but much more of the Saturnian fear, insecurity, and inability to be vulnerable. She can be even quite cold, cutting, and/or controlling out of that fear.

And she is often attracted to emotionally stunted partners. Very hyper Yang partners, and rather slow vibratory for Pisces Venus (because Saturn can literally represent the slowest vibratory energy there is). Besides the Saturn conjunction, Venus is also cusping Aries.

If she fully heals herself and her heart wounds, it may eventually switch to faster vibratory or more neutral expression of being attracted to and/or attracting those with say strong Capricorn and/or Aquarius with a backdrop of either Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Pisces (especially since Pisces is also her DESC, and the modern ruler, Neptune is in Cap conjunct Aqua Uranus, and the faster moving ruler Jupiter is in Sag and Angular).

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posted January 18, 2021 01:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edited to consolidate info into my first post.

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Odette, sounds/seems like your Venus is POWERFULLY cusping Aries, and thus reading a blend of Taurus and Aries would be most helpful and accurate.

The Zodiac is much like a color wheel. The colors don't just jump from one solid color to another, nor do the Signs jump from one to another. Just like with the colors, the Signs gradually phase into and out of Signs with "blended areas" i.e. cusps in between. And 29 and 0 degree areas are particularly powerfully cusping. But it will be predominant Taurus, even if there is a good chunk of Aries mixed in.

It is a real shame that some well known/popular astrologers have spoken against cusping. Except for a few tried and true, trusted spiritual sources, I don't go by what others say, I go by repeat experience, observation, holistic logic, and/or internal guidance.

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Can't really answer your question directly Hearttreasure, as I haven't known too many Taurus Venus nor Gemini Venus folks more closely.

My brother dated a lass with Gemini Sun and Gemini Venus. My impression of her was that she was charming and engaging, but rather flighty and a little shallow. But because of a combo of karma and that she was very attractive, he was gaga over her. But they were pretty young at the time (late high school). Quite possibly she has matured a lot since.

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posted January 18, 2021 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Galactic! You know..... my story with the cusp thing... is a long long story lol 😁 I got to a point where I went back and forth with this so many times in my mind that I just had to make a decision and stick with something.

Basically... I was born at such an auspicious time... that both the Asc and Venus change signs within 2 minutes. I can’t be totally sure that my time of birth is exact to the minute.. and one minute either way changes everything. It’s either 29’ Gem AC/29’Ari Ven... or 0’Can AC/0’Taurus Venus... or... (and this is my best guess!) - 29’Gem AC with 0’Taur Venus.

I’ve had guessing threads years ago and what not. Most people always thought Gemini AC.. but a couple did say Cancer.

When it comes to Venus I don’t have the Aries Venus physical features or attitude so it just doesn’t suit me. In a sense it was easier to decide on Taurus with the Venus sign.... But my AC is really extremely confusing :/

Do you have any cusp planets in your chart?

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posted January 18, 2021 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette, that's how I feel about my clothes. They have to have a nice material to feel good in them. I have a Taurus Venus, but is affected so even if it's in domicile, doesn't play out like it should. But mostly, yes, feeling good with all the senses.

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Tsk tsk, such negative stereotype of Gemini Venus. We like variety but doesn’t mean we are habitual cheaters or we change partners like changing clothes. Gemini Venus, just like any other signs, seek stable, long-term relationships as well. I’ve never had more than one partner at any one time in my 45yrs of existence. My bestie who’s also a Gem Venus had 3 serious monogamous relationships and has never cheated. She was instead cheated on repeatedly by her ex. She’s a Aries sun Taurus rising, I’m a Taurus sun Gemini rising/Venus. We both have Sagittarius Moon.

What Gemini Venus really enjoy is VARIETY, and by that I don’t mean having multiple partners. It means keeping our relationships alive and interesting. We’re curious and like exploring different things/topics...we chat a lot and have short attention span and we like a partner who can keep up with us, which means to say they cannot be a stick-in-the-mud. If you are we won’t be with you. Some people say Gemini is so fickle, one day they love you, one day they don’t, but that’s not true because if Gemini Venus is truly in love, we won’t leave you so easily even if you disappoint us. So when you see a fickle Gemini Venus, it most probably mean they didn’t fall in love at all! We are sociable and come across flirty but we only have one person in our heart (if there’s one) and we can be committed. But if you ask us to stay at home cook and wash every day, we will be bored to death.

Taurus Venus, on the other hand, would prefer a lot more consistency. Based on my observation as my brother and cousin are Taurus Venus, they can get a little too comfortable in relationships.

Gemini Venus can also be insecure as we have 2 minds (always debating with ourselves) so we need constant reassurance. Gemini Venus love words so we will be tickled by your humour and fall in love with your sweet nothings, but don’t try to manipulate us with words because that doesn’t work.

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posted January 18, 2021 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Appearance wise... Gemini can have a more slender look.. whereas Taurus is a bit more chunky. It depends from person to person. But usually I would think of Gemini Venus as supermodel/thin appearance.. and I would think of Taurus Venus as the more traditional hourglass shape. This also depends on the Ascendant though and genes.. so it’s not 100%

I believe this is more seen through ASC and first house. My bestie and I look very different appearance-wise and we are both Gemini Venus. I’ve Gemini ASC, she has Taurus ASC and she’s more fleshy while I’ve always been slim (in fact, I was underweight up until my 30s). Her daughter who’s also a Taurus ASC is also more fleshy like her.

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posted January 18, 2021 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If that's not the reason why they acted this way, the Geminis Venus I knew, what was then? The Leo one was born in 96, the Cancer one was born in 97 and the guy I dated was born in 92. The girls had Gemini Venus and Mars. I don't want to put them all in one box, but that's the only link between them. And I'm not saying that they couldn't or won't have a serious or meaningful relationship.

EDITED: I didn't stereotype. I presented real situations in which this 3 examples behaved exactly the same even if they had different sun signs.
Any sign has its good and its bad. Just like a Taurus Venus can be materialistic, a Gemini Venus can apply their short attention span and variety in its relationships and their personal values. Maybe you two girls have different aspects and other placements that ground you, like you Hiraku, you have Taurus Sun.

I have Taurus Venus and I know that this placement makes a person to like to pleasure their senses, it can go so far that the person can be materialistic, even if it is in domicile. Falling in love is a bit more than this.

I am a Pisces Sun and Neptunian energy can make me say white lies and or be with my head in the clouds all the time.

If we have to consider which are the signs that can relate more to a falling in love for Venus, like emotional relationship or a spiritual one, not just one that satisfies our minds or our bodies, that would be a water sign.

An air sign would look at the other person as how is their personality and their abilities. If the person doesnt have some abilities, that would be boring for a Gemini for example. This is a Venus that is ruled by Mercury.
An earth sign looks for grounding and stable relationships. A capricorn venus could go as far as marrying someone just because it fits for their path in life.
I cant give an example for fire signs because I havent looked how they act even if my father has a Leo Venus.

Maybe you two are different and didn't cheat. But the ones that I've known, have done this and in the same way all of them. Imagine that this girl cheated her bf with two of his best friends and after she went to tell him about it and why she did it and where, the other one started a new relationship without ending the previous one and now she started another relationship and after she dumped this guy, the one I dated (and it's not because it happened just to me) was dating another girl. Which could have been because we were young and stuff like that, but that doesn't eliminate the behaviour.

There has to be considered that I always got along with Geminis just as friends. We were not a good fit for a relationship. And I tried. Because we were having a good interaction as friends, but when we started a romantic relationship didn't work out. Probably because I'm a Pisces and can't be understood by a Gemini. I tried 2 times and the 3rd time I didn't try again. I was sure that it will be a disaster just like the previous ones. Even thou that guy was different from the ones I dated before. When I told a Scorpio friend that I am being foolish all the time and I have my head in the clouds all the time, he said that "that's not really a bad thing", which I couldn't be understood by a Gemini like this guy understood me.

On a group on facebook for Pisces Sun was a survey with "which sign gave you the most hard times?" and 80% of the people that voted of over 40.000 members voted Geminis. I guess we don't get along well.

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Hi Odette, I'll address your reply on another thread I'll create later, as to not overly derail this thread.

I'll probably call it Cusping. Don't have time right now.

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posted January 20, 2021 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, you can see it in their likes. A taurus venus will enjoy long term relationships while a Gemini Venus will not, actually they will have multiple partners. A taurus Venus likes touch and cuddles, a Gemini Venus admires the mind of the other. A Taurus Venus is grounded in their behaviour, a Gemini Venus is funny to be around most of the time.

What do you mean by long term relationship? On and off relationship for a long time and while off he/she won't be strayed looking for a new one?

Touch and cuddles, what if the Gemini venus has Taurus mars and the Taurus venus has Gemini sun?

Grounded behavior, what if the Taurus venus has the sometimes inappropriate jokes of Sagittarius and the flirty Gemini in the natal chart, can you still spot the venus?

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posted January 20, 2021 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gemini Venus here, who has always wanted a stable, happy, committed relationship.

Yes, they want it, but with all Gemini placement I've found (not just venus), themselves can't easily deliver it to the relationship. There will always a moment where they are being so unstable that shocks you and sometimes shakes your trust.

Now I understand why Gemini and Scorpio once falls in love. Odd pairs but surprisingly I've found many. Also Gemini and Taurus couples.

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posted January 20, 2021 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Allow me to list people I know who've cheated. Tell me how many Gemini Venus you see: 2 Taurus (one of them has a Taurus stellium (Sun/Mercury/Venus/Mars)), 2 Leo, 2 Scorpio, 2 Virgo, 1 Pisces, 1 Sagittarius, 1 Aquarius, 1 Gemini (*note that this guy has a stellium Sun/Moon/Venus all in Gemini).

You cannot say a person will cheat just because they have Venus in Gemini. That's stereotype and it's based on only 3 Gem Venus you know. People cheat for a variety of reasons...some out of insecurity, loneliness etc... not just because they're bored. You said Taurus could be the stabiliser. While I agree Taurus loves stability and is generally loyal but as I listed above, the Taurus stellium guy I know has been cheating on his wife (and unashamed as he's very open about it) for the past 2+yrs. He's planning a child with his wife but no intention of leaving his lover. Scorpio Venus is another sign well-known for loyalty and faithfulness... but I know 2 who cheated.

Astrologically you need to also look at how their Venuses are aspected. E.g. Venus-Uranus individuals can have unstable affection. They can move on from partners very quickly as shown by my friend who has Leo Venus square Uranus. I've seen her crying over her boyfriend one minute and then kissed another guy the next. The Aqua Venus gal has the same aspect. She's known to find another boat before she jumps ship. Also Venus-Neptune people can be easily disappointed in love. This may also prompt them to cheat. The Sag Venus I mentioned above was a serial cheater. His Venus conjunct Neptune square Mars sextile Pluto. Another serial cheater (the one with the Gemini stellium) has Venus conjunct Sun/Moon/DSC opposite Neptune square Saturn trine Pluto.

I would also analyse their Moon/Mars to see the propensity of cheating. You can't just point at one planet and one sign.

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Every Gemini Venus has stable relationships in the end, but is kind of different by the stable Taurus Venus. Any Gemini Venus I've seen and known, cheated, even if it was a boy or a girl, the relationships they had were superficial, due to the rational view on them, lack of emotional depth. What was good about it was that they were not possessive or jealous. A girl cheated on her boy friend with two of his best friends and after she told him why she did it, because she was feeling lonely. Another one, dumped her boyfriend for one of his classmates, a Gemini I dated, he dated another girl meanwhile he dated me and after I found out that what he felt for me was not a fit for me being an emotional being.
Meanwhile, a Taurus Venus is one that likes stable relationships, you can find people that cheat with this placement too, but is different by the kind of stable relationship a Gemini will look for.

Any Gemini Venus will marry and have a family. Just like any other sign.

In the end, there has to be many other placements and aspect to show a stable person or an erratic one in relationship. Considering just the Venus sign here, that's what I've seen and experienced until now.

A Gemini Venus will be a Gemini Sun, Cancer, or Leo. I guess that's why some people said that Cancers will cheat, which was kind of a surprise for me.


This kind of confused me, because my Gemini venus ex is jealous and possessive of me. He once saw me and the male stranger looked each other, because he passed on me. He didn't angry immediately (Taurus mars) but asked me "what was that?", and I said, "what? nothing, slow down, he just passed on me, it's the same way when you look female passes on you." He looked dissatisfied. Since then he physically abused me whenever he thought I would leave him and once he told me, "this for the man you look days ago". Wtf. The funny part, he actually cheated before it happened.

What do you think a stable relationship that Taurus venus needs? I have found a lot of Scorpio venus and Taurus venus couples, which, you know, with Scorpio venus stable relationship is a dream..

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posted January 20, 2021 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My Venus is Taurus.. on the 0’degree conjunct my NN so I actually think it’s extra Taurus lol

One major difference is being tactile... Gemini is an air sign so they will be more talkative when they flirt with someone. Taurus is very touchy feely... They are the type to run their fingers up and down the other person’s arm as they’re talking... or even in total silence lol

Also, they love nice materials. Gemini Venus will go more for the look or appearance of clothing, when shopping.. Taurus Venus wants their clothes to feel good.. so materials like silk, satin, velvet... are Taurus favourites. They really have an aversion to too much polyester or plastic in their clothing. They always check this on the labels. Gemini Venus will not be so OCD about this.

Another Taurus Venus trademark is having a very sensitive neck.. This is kind of an erogenous zone for Taurus. Gemini normally won’t go all gaga over someone touching or kissing their neck lol Taurus definitely will! Lol
Gemini Venus would be more interested in someone writing them a song or poem.

Appearance wise... Gemini can have a more slender look.. whereas Taurus is a bit more chunky. It depends from person to person. But usually I would think of Gemini Venus as supermodel/thin appearance.. and I would think of Taurus Venus as the more traditional hourglass shape. This also depends on the Ascendant though and genes.. so it’s not 100%

These are the first things that came to mind.. but I’ll update if I think of something else 🙂 Hope it helps!


Check! Total silence vs talkative. 👍 (are you all Taurus venus agree?)

Materials, the Gemini venus with Taurus mars is crazy for materials and perfumes, the Taurus Venus with Gemini sun is more laid back about it.

Neck, The Gemini venus with Taurus mars is openly saying, "I like it", doesn't care about writing a song or poem for someone. The Taurus venus with Gemini sun doesn't say anything but feels tickled, so the response is trying to avoid it, he is the one who writes poem or sing a song for someone.

Appearance, both person I observe, have plump body, they love foods.

What do you think, dates with Taurus venus is about foods, while dates with Gemini venus is about variety?

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posted January 20, 2021 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can't really answer your question directly Hearttreasure, as I haven't known too many Taurus Venus nor Gemini Venus folks more closely.

My brother dated a lass with Gemini Sun and Gemini Venus. My impression of her was that she was charming and engaging, but rather flighty and a little shallow. But because of a combo of karma and that she was very attractive, he was gaga over her. But they were pretty young at the time (late high school). Quite possibly she has matured a lot since.


Yes, I also see a little bit the flightiness and shallowness.

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Taurus Venus, on the other hand, would prefer a lot more consistency. Based on my observation as my brother and cousin are Taurus Venus, they can get a little too comfortable in relationships.

Gemini Venus can also be insecure as we have 2 minds (always debating with ourselves) so we need constant reassurance. Gemini Venus love words so we will be tickled by your humour and fall in love with your sweet nothings, but don’t try to manipulate us with words because that doesn’t work.


Can you elaborate more about "too comfortable in a relationship"? Do you mean, the relationship becomes a lil bit boring after times with Taurus venus?

Yes, yes, yes, about insecurity of Gemini venus, oh, I can tell but the constant reassurance can be exhausted because it can be easily turned into drama. I can feel that for my Gemini venus ex, but at that time, I couldn't stay for longer because our relationship was too toxic for me.

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