posted May 11, 2021 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow.That sounds creepy. Not sexy at all.

I must be a differing type of Ven/Plu/Sat in Sco. I just dont do the whole "reading my S.O's messages" thing. I just don't feel its necessary for me to even know their passwords. How they feel about me and what they say behind my back about us, is their business.🤷🏿‍♂️

Maybe I am naive? But I really have more peace of mind with this mentality.

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My uncle is a sagyy sun with venus in scorpio and moon in gemini and is not controlling or possessive AT ALLLLLLLL.

He would never be the type to look through a girl's texts etc....

posted May 11, 2021 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@ Hikaru29:

damn, made me think of my ex the time i said i wanted to break up and she told me "no" and then said if i wanted her out i would have to call the police and legally have her kicked out and going on about court etc

so we didn't break up that time... i just got high and drunk instead, was easier

she'd do a lot of gaslighting and **** when we'd argue too and i used to tell her she made me feel like recording an argument just so she could hear all the times she'd freak out and scream at me for "yelling" when i wasn't etc

anyway one day while i was going through stuff on the laptop (i was the only one who used the recording **** on it because i record myself singing/playing guitar and singing to learn) and i came across a recording that was a fight her and i had that she recorded (whole thing was her doing all the **** i told her she would do)

next day the recording was deleted and she didn't mention it at all, couple weeks later i told her i recorded something and she lost her **** and told me i was an ******* etc and so on how dare i behave like that and how i was probably faking everything i said on it

i didn't bother mentioning i found out she had done that first (this was towards the end i mostly didn't have energy anymore for it, she'd start and i'd just go have a cigarette or refuse to fight to the point where she'd start picking at things around and telling me to move them or do something anything so she could be in control) just gave up

so it was ok for her and not for me

scorpio moon friend of mine did the refuse to divorce thing too, her husband told her he wanted that she told him it wasn't happening and she wouldn't sign divorce papers so good luck

flipside of this was she told me she was considering divorcing him, so she just wants to be able to initiate it (she doesn't have venus/pluto though)

i've also experienced many times with scorpio placements (not sun and ascendant though idk why) the "everything i do that's wrong is something you made me do" **** , that's how my ex was that's how this friend i mentioned is, a different scorpio moon friend same thing

we had an argument over her getting mad at me when she misinterpreted something i said (repeatedly told her that wasn't an issue) and then when i tried to end the conversation and said goodnight she got mad at me for not just changing the subject proceeded to hurt herself while telling me the self harm was my fault for not changing the subject, saying goodnight, and triggering her abandonment issues (i ended the friendship after that)

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Hey, those are some crazy gals around ya and your ex really sounds toxic, sorry to say. Do you perhaps give out a saviour/hero vibe that made people have unrealistic expectations of you?

posted May 11, 2021 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thanks. We live and learn❤

I am not sure where the guy's Mercury was tbh. I glanced at his chart last year( whem this incident occurred). If I can locate it, i will tell you.

I thought his reasons very nuch in keepinh with the extreme petty nature of his Ven Can tbh. In that the wife didn't kniw she had 4 children(including the hubby)🤷🏿‍♂️

Ho do you get jealous over your own kids? But it happenshttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/parenting/jealous-of-baby.html. I guess in the case spoken of. It was EXTREME!

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my father has a cancer venus/moon conjunction and did seem to get jealous tbh, i can be fair though and say dead marriage seemed to be what did it

obviously that guy lost his **** though

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about the messages thing, i don't think you're naive i think privacy is important and when you read someone's messages you're not just violating their privacy but the privacy of the people they speak to

their friends and people in their lives should be free to tell them things in complete confidence, and vice versa 🤷‍♀️

i don't see a need for passwords and all that, i mean there's **** where i don't care and would give a password but only in a situation like "hey can you check this for me" if i can't for some reason

posted May 11, 2021 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hey, those are some crazy gals around ya and your ex really sounds toxic, sorry to say. Do you perhaps give out a saviour/hero vibe that made people have unrealistic expectations of you?

My friend refused to divorce because she feels that a family should not break up no matter what. This is even though her husband has cheated on her twice and said he has no more sparks for her. IMO she’s just trying to keep a label. I find it ironic as Scorpios always preach about their intense disdain of infidelity, but when it really happens, they have a hard time letting go. Another example (again a Scorpio) was willing to forgive her cheating husband but he left her anyway.

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i think it's that i tend to have really loose boundaries tbh, and because of a history of abuse (most of my life) i don't generally see red flags as anything til way later

also i can just excuse a lot of **** if i know someone's been through **** , and then i feel like well i've been through **** and can have flaws so it's only fair to let **** go etc

went on a date with a scorpio mars guy right after the break up and that went terribly because he wanted to "keep me" ... ****** story there...anyway

that's why i'm basically hermit mode right now lol, i figure i need to sort my **** out, if that's what i'm attracting need to figure out what i'm doing and how to spot things before there's issues

i've noticed scorpio in general are like that too yeah but in my experience less forgiving of it being done to them and more likely to do it to someone else

i have a scorpio friend whose ex gf stabbed him for cheating on her though, right in the chest he has permanent damage from it

posted May 12, 2021 02:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
You’re not naive. I also think some things are better left unknown. But my friend thinks otherwise. She feels the need to know every.freaking.detail. Her husband has been communicating with a divorcee and consulting her on divorce procedures and she’s secretly reading all their messages and telling me that this woman coerced her husband into a divorce. She also blamed her husband’s cousin for influencing him because he’s divorced and has remarried.

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posted May 12, 2021 02:09 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My uncle is a sagyy sun with venus in scorpio and moon in gemini and is not controlling or possessive AT ALLLLLLLL.

He would never be the type to look through a girl's texts etc....

IDK this girl had a stellium in SCORPIO and I wonder what her AC/DC signs were, maybe in scorpio too, Taurus DC? Where is her JUNO?

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posted May 12, 2021 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my father has a cancer venus/moon conjunction and did seem to get jealous tbh, i can be fair though and say dead marriage seemed to be what did it

obviously that guy lost his **** though

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about the messages thing, i don't think you're naive i think privacy is important and when you read someone's messages you're not just violating their privacy but the privacy of the people they speak to

their friends and people in their lives should be free to tell them things in complete confidence, and vice versa 🤷‍♀️

i don't see a need for passwords and all that, i mean there's **** where i don't care and would give a password but only in a situation like "hey can you check this for me" if i can't for some reason

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Indeed. I also think that RESPECT is what its all about. I should just allow you your own boundaries as an individual.

Also, I really think that should someone go through my phone and find things said about them (out of context). It WILL complicate intimacy between us.

Like if i am angry at my S.O and say things to a confidant on the phone in my contextual state of mind etc. That anger would have passed in the morning and those words said will no longer be true.

So if they read those messages without the context given,nor with the objectivity that they deserve etc.Rifts can be easily created between us.

posted May 12, 2021 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hiw mahy oppositons are in her chart 🙆🏿‍♂️ It seems like she is constantly shifting the blame to others?🤷🏿‍♂️

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She doesn’t have any. 🤷🏻‍♀️

posted May 12, 2021 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think it's that i tend to have really loose boundaries tbh, and because of a history of abuse (most of my life) i don't generally see red flags as anything til way later

also i can just excuse a lot of **** if i know someone's been through **** , and then i feel like well i've been through **** and can have flaws so it's only fair to let **** go etc

went on a date with a scorpio mars guy right after the break up and that went terribly because he wanted to "keep me" ... ****** story there...anyway

that's why i'm basically hermit mode right now lol, i figure i need to sort my **** out, if that's what i'm attracting need to figure out what i'm doing and how to spot things before there's issues

i've noticed scorpio in general are like that too yeah but in my experience less forgiving of it being done to them and more likely to do it to someone else

i have a scorpio friend whose ex gf stabbed him for cheating on her though, right in the chest he has permanent damage from it

any religious factors or anything? i think being raised catholic gave me a bit of that work through everything even if it's horrible mindset, things going to hell have changed that outlook entirely for me but i know having that drilled in can do it (think my cap mars ****** me there lol)

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I remember you have Neptune in 7H like me? I also tend to have loose boundaries with others and I’m generally accepting of others’ flaws due to the consciousness that I’m not perfect either. Also if I know that person has been through a lot I tend to have more empathy. Seems to me you attract very intense people.

posted May 12, 2021 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Indeed. I also think that RESPECT is what its all about. I should just allow you your own boundaries as an individual.

Also, I really think that should someone go through my phone and find things said about them (out of context). It WILL complicate intimacy between us.

Like if i am angry at my S.O and say things to a confidant on the phone in my contextual state of mind etc. That anger would have passed in the morning and those words said will no longer be true.

So if they read those messages without the context given,nor with the objectivity that they deserve etc.Rifts can be easily created between us.

Its the same result (imo) for me should I read those locked away messages on their phone.I am just not interested. Because what you say behind my back,is really none of my business 🤷🏿‍♂️

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yeah i agree with that, i feel the same about looking through notebooks and things too i don't invade people's privacy at all i'm big on having my own so it's only fair

that's a fair point too can give wrong impressions in that way too

posted May 12, 2021 06:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I remember you have Neptune in 7H like me? I also tend to have loose boundaries with others and I’m generally accepting of others’ flaws due to the consciousness that I’m not perfect either. Also if I know that person has been through a lot I tend to have more empathy. Seems to me you attract very intense people.

I used to get people trampling over me when I was much younger but not as crazy as those you met. I’ve come a long way in purging these people out of my life and setting healthy boundaries for myself. Part of it is to be comfortable with being alone physically and emotionally.

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3rd in placidus, 4th not it loosely conjuncts my mars and more tightly trines my sun

my moon is on my descendant (1 degree) so is my north node

i have sun sextile pluto as well, and in placidus my pluto falls in my first house with my south node (i know in vedic ketu 1st house can dissolve the sense of self and it's on my libra ascendant, not as tight of an orb as my venus/ascendant conjunction but still there) also have heard first house pluto can attract intensity and it aspecting my sun probably doesn't help that

i tend to get over things easily and not take things personally so i can be really forgiving on top of feeling like i should be fair, bad boundaries i think from abuse and never being allowed to have my feelings matter

creates a lot of times where i'll put myself to the side (i have moon trine mercury and moon trine uranus too so it can be easy for me to do this as i can just rationalize things and let them slide and then aries moon isn't really prone to holding on either) and the other person takes precedence

i've definitely become more comfortable with being alone, and i've also sort of lost the mentality of anything can be worked through if a relationship is pre-established which helps

but i've become very avoidant in many ways i think so i'm not 100% on where i actually stand with things, easy to maintain boundaries when you're not letting people in though there's other reasons for it

being comfortable with being alone is definitely critical though, easier to stay firm with people when you're willing to accept the risk

i've found it's definitely true that only someone who isn't good for you will have an issue with those boundaries

i believe fate and so on so i just look at it like i needed all that to learn the lessons i have, now it's just figuring out how to take those lessons and move forward with them in the best way possible

posted May 13, 2021 12:41 AM            

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3rd in placidus, 4th not it loosely conjuncts my mars and more tightly trines my sun

my moon is on my descendant (1 degree) so is my north node

i have sun sextile pluto as well, and in placidus my pluto falls in my first house with my south node (i know in vedic ketu 1st house can dissolve the sense of self and it's on my libra ascendant, not as tight of an orb as my venus/ascendant conjunction but still there) also have heard first house pluto can attract intensity and it aspecting my sun probably doesn't help that

i tend to get over things easily and not take things personally so i can be really forgiving on top of feeling like i should be fair, bad boundaries i think from abuse and never being allowed to have my feelings matter

creates a lot of times where i'll put myself to the side (i have moon trine mercury and moon trine uranus too so it can be easy for me to do this as i can just rationalize things and let them slide and then aries moon isn't really prone to holding on either) and the other person takes precedence

i've definitely become more comfortable with being alone, and i've also sort of lost the mentality of anything can be worked through if a relationship is pre-established which helps

but i've become very avoidant in many ways i think so i'm not 100% on where i actually stand with things, easy to maintain boundaries when you're not letting people in though there's other reasons for it

being comfortable with being alone is definitely critical though, easier to stay firm with people when you're willing to accept the risk

i've found it's definitely true that only someone who isn't good for you will have an issue with those boundaries

i believe fate and so on so i just look at it like i needed all that to learn the lessons i have, now it's just figuring out how to take those lessons and move forward with them in the best way possible

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Oh, so it’s your Moon-NN that have the same placements as mine, and your Venus. Then could your loose boundaries be caused by Moon opp Venus? I read that this aspect tends towards wanting to please others (I don’t mean bowing down to them but just want others to be happy)... especially Moon in 7H will be very caring and sensitive towards their partner. The one who suits you will be someone who appreciates what you’re offering without taking advantage of you.

Yes, 1H Pluto can attract intense people. My mom has Pluto conjunct ASC from 12H and she always gets into hidden power struggles with others. My 5H Pluto makes my relationship experiences intense. For sure it can get me crazy obsessed with my romantic partners at the beginning...haha, and all my romantic partners have Pluto aspecting either Sun or Moon. My Uranus in 5H also makes things unstable (Uranus is opposite my Sun; Pluto quincunx my Sun).

I read a lot on my Rahu-Ketu because it concerns me so much. I believe a lot of my relationship troubles come from here. When they say 1H SN makes us lose our sense of self, it doesn’t mean we don’t know who we are or what we want. It just means we don’t place ourselves on a pedestal. We don’t consider ourselves that important as compared to the world at large. 1H SN can also make one uninterested in worldly gains. The first part resonated with me but not the second part. As a Taurus I’m definitely interested in worldly gains 😅 but I’m not greedy. I don’t need a lot.

I think Aries is pretty good at letting go. They get worked up easily but forget just as easily, and with Libra in the mix...at the end of the day you just wanna be cool with everyone. I remember my Aries Moon friend telling a guy off then said “No hard feelings, bro”. Lol. I really like Moon-Mercury aspects in natal, just wish I’ve the harmonious aspects instead of a quincunx. 😕

posted May 13, 2021 07:20 AM            

yeah a good chunk of my chart is centered on my ascendant/descendant axis, my mars squares both as well (and loosely conjuncts my ic)

when i care about someone i definitely do care about pleasing them and that comes first to me over myself usually (i also don't tend to expect the same from anyone i go off alone generally to deal with my own **** ) which can create somewhat of an imbalance and yeah can lead people taking too much etc

hard to find that balance especially with the nodes involved (i have the added fun of having karma, vesta, and eris conjunct my descendant/moon if you're into asteroids to name a few), but you know that well

i have a friend with pluto in her 5th and she's dealt with some pretty intense **** as far as relationships go, and i imagine pluto on the ascendant is also a rather intense placement since having it in the first house is intense enough (though i think my sun-sextile pluto makes it a little easier) people can get very possessive/obsessive

i also have juno conjunct saturn (saturn's only major aspect is a square to my sun which probably isn't helping lol

both parts of the ketu description fit, i'm not one to care much about material possessions as a matter of fact i generally find myself throwing and giving things away frequently

there's just a general sense of disinterest there for the most part

i'm sure you've also read about the tendency for other people to project things onto you with that placement which is another thing i've run into

very recently i had some guy projecting his desire for a soulmate on me with zero actual connection (and me repeatedly saying as much), he got mad after i didn't respond to him the other day while i was playing a game though and isn't talking to me anymore so that's a win 🤷‍♀️

or i get people's pent up **** and so on, it's something other people have picked up on too so not just me feeling it

it can give a sensation of being looked at without being seen

lol that sentence is aries moon in a nutshell pretty much, i can respond to a situation but i don't generally attach it to the person as an individual

so even a bad argument is just a moment for me i can let it go, but i can do that to a point where things escalate well beyond it really being a moment because i have trouble seeing the issues as the person themselves and not a passing thing until it's become a problem

i also don't take things personally even when someone else might try to take it there because i feel no responsibility for other people's actions and often people exploding comes from many things not just one

i can not really care about something mid argument, in relationships that can be me trying to smooth things over quickly and when i don't care about the person it can lead to arguing in a way where i'm more or less trying to entertain myself with no real investment aside from that if they keep going

which isn't the best habit but 🤷‍♀️

the past almost 2 years are the first time i've been single since hs (i don't count "situationships" if those counted then idk what being single as an adult is entirely, but they're not equivalent in my view) and right now i'm pretty content and protective of my bubble

i'm not opposed to letting someone in and i can be happy in a relationship it's more just not wanting to **** up on the who i let in bit that keeps me very wary

posted May 13, 2021 11:33 AM            

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She doesn’t have any. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Her Moon is combusted and in a t-square with Jupiter/Mars/Nodes. She comes across very confident of herself so whenever something happens she thinks it’s the other person’s fault and she can get worked up easily (Mars squaring her Sun/Moon/Mercury/Uranus). It took me 10yrs of counselling to get her to see how she contributed to the issues in her marriage.

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The typos always make me cringe 😶.

Yeah,Mars in square aspect to Sun/ Moon/ Mercury and Uranus is defensive. VERY.So anytime one wants to talk to her openly about something.She feels "attacked".

posted May 13, 2021 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Franco:
Wow, I am passionate about these criminal topics and mixed with astrology! I did not know about this case ... it is incredible that where there are crimes of passion, Scorpio, Pluto, Pisces, Mars are involved. I want to give my experience of being sun, venus, mercury, pluto scorpio in conjunction with all this square of jupiter and pisces moon square mars gemini. If there is in some area where I was really wrong for NOTHING and sometimes for no reason it is in love, I get obsessed so easily, I just cannot enjoy relationships in a serene way, although everything is going well, in my head there are dramas and stories that will never happen .. Jealousy was another big problem for me in the past .. but somehow I manage not to show it, I explode inside and my partner will not know. I never checked anything private ... it never caught my attention, besides I prefer not to find out like that ... whoever is looking for something finds it. I also have Saturn in Capricorn exactly on the ASC, I can have some kind of self-control. My last partner was Venus Conjunction Pluto 0 degrees, and I could really see through her, jealousy and a lot of revenge with a very clever way of turning things around and leaving you to blame for things. that's why I feel like some of my relationships went from pure love to hate ... it just happens and if you don't control it, it's 2 seconds of time you lose your mind. I will continue with this exciting topic.

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posted May 13, 2021 12:05 PM            

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The typos always make me cringe 😶.

Yeah,Mars in square aspect to Sun/ Moon/ Mercury and Uranus is defensive. VERY.So anytime one wants to talk to her openly about something.She feels "attacked".

In that T-square spoken of, if Mars squares her Moon. Then its likely Jupiter opposes Moon OR Mars. No? 🤔 Where is her Dsc and aspects to it?

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Her Jupiter and Mars are in a wide conjunction with NN at the midpoint. These are square Moon and the opposite end is SN. If you can picture it...? She has DSC in Virgo and Jupiter is close enough to conjunct from 6H. She also has Saturn in 7H.

posted May 13, 2021 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Her Jupiter and Mars are in a wide conjunction with NN at the midpoint. These are square Moon and the opposite end is SN. If you can picture it...? She has DSC in Virgo and Jupiter is close enough to conjunct from 6H. She also has Saturn in 7H.

Very defensive, you’re right. She can also get fixated in her beliefs so she just chucks the divorce paper in the drawer as she believes he will change his mind. Maybe he will, I don’t know... but for someone who has cheated on her twice and told her he’s no longer attracted to her, it puzzles me why she still wants to hold on. It’s been 10yrs since the start of their marital woes so I really admire Scorpio’s tenacity! She believes his wanting a divorce is due to his work stress and people feeding him with negativities or setting bad example though and once she gets rid of these influences, their marriage will be saved. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Dsc ruler (Jup) in conj to Mars is def the agression part.But even without considering that conj, the ruler of the Dsc(Merc)square Mars.Yikes!🙆🏿‍♂️

I don't think its tenacity that has her hold on.She still wants to mantain control over the situation & dismiss the attempts from the partner to communicate anything "other" than what she wants to hear.

The acrion of putting the divorce papers from the partner away in a drawer is evidence of someone who willingly suffocates or ignores the partner.

The relationship is all about HER. There is no "relationship". Just a "feature" guest in the form of the partner.

Notice that ruler of her Asc is conj 7th. The relationship (7th) is all about her(Asc). And Sat in 7th(if ruler of the 12th house cusp of Aqua) suggests not being able to see/hear the partner. Distant from the partner emotionally and perhaps critiquing (Vir/Lib Sat) what the partner brings on their end.🤷🏿‍♂️

posted May 13, 2021 01:08 PM            

Dealing with our own sh*t is also a characteristic of 1H SN. We tend to not depend on others. I didn’t know about the projection part. I feel that too but I thought it was my 7H Neptune?

I’m not particularly fond of my 5H Pluto tbh. It can feel too intense at times and if one hasn’t learned to let go it can really mess you up...and Juno is conjunct my SN in 12H. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I think part of what you said is also your Libra side which seeks balance and can get fairly unemotional when assessing a situation or in a debate.

7H Rahu can cause turbulence in relationships and it will be beneficial for natives to spend a period of their lives alone to figure out what their needs are. I unintentionally spent 8yrs doing that, lol.

I’m not a manglik. I read that this dosha gets written off after 27yo, no?

posted May 13, 2021 04:54 PM            

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@Dumuzi

Dealing with our own sh*t is also a characteristic of 1H SN. We tend to not depend on others. I didn’t know about the projection part. I feel that too but I thought it was my 7H Neptune?

I’m not particularly fond of my 5H Pluto tbh. It can feel too intense at times and if one hasn’t learned to let go it can really mess you up...and Juno is conjunct my SN in 12H. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I think part of what you said is also your Libra side which seeks balance and can get fairly unemotional when assessing a situation or in a debate.

7H Rahu can cause turbulence in relationships and it will be beneficial for natives to spend a period of their lives alone to figure out what their needs are. I unintentionally spent 8yrs doing that, lol.

I’m not a manglik. I read that this dosha gets written off after 27yo, no?

Edit: btw did you get any tarot card that points to karmic when you did my reading?

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didn't know that was a south node 1st house trait, hadn't come across that with vedic i figured it was because my sun is 12th house (placidus puts my sun into the 11th and it just rules the 12th) that i kind of need to go off and just isolate

was pretty trained though as a kid to not really be allowed to have feelings so it makes me feel very awkward and guilty on a certain level to share them when they're negative 🤷‍♀️ especially if they last a while then i'm inclined to disappear

i thought 7th house neptune had more to do with other people or just more relationship specific, this is even just like friendships and stuff for me so if you get it from everyone blame the south node

supposedly it makes you short too having it on your ascendant (i'm very short 5')

i'm doing that now, have been, the time alone **** figuring things out really want to avoid another huge mistake lol

it is supposed to get better but can make the first serious relationship go to hell essentially if it starts before that age

juno on the south node and 5th house pluto sounds annoying 😔

i have to look at that reading again, don't remember offhand most recent readings i've done have been on stocks and investments etc for a couple people

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Hers is 8 degrees I think, 12/9/86, her conjunction is exact and squaring her ascendant so probably hits harder whereas yours softens it but then you're dealing with someone else's ****

though she would get weird stalker **** that came her way too, funny sometimes how aspects can kind of work both ways they can show what you get and/or what you put out

11 years though? i'm really sorry to hear that, i'm about 2 years and that's been plenty, damn... really can't imagine that

i mentioned her moon and some other placements i think may be at play here in my response to hypatia, i think you're definitely right about the other factors being part of the issue

can't demonize one aspect like that's everyone because it never is, there's always other things in a chart that bring out the worst or best results and then there's things like the ways we grow (not always in a positive direction) and utilize energies

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Oh you absolutely can demonize certain aspects! Some definitely need to come with a warning sign and this is one of them 😅 I am more than aware how notorious my Venus is! I have felt the demon in me myself but never has it taken on the expression anywhere close to the stories I have read about it over the years. It seems to be a very difficult one to fully overcome.

I read a post you made on another thread. WHY am I not surprised you are a virgo!?! Like a moth to a flame. I have a long history with virgos myself. I am going to guess that your sun sextiles her venus?

It was dormant until 19. I would panic at the slightest hint of male attention. I had but one crush growing up, idk..most guys I found unimpressive. At 16 I met a guy @ work I liked (a virgo naturally) he would invite me to go to parties a couple times but I'd either ignore him or make up an excuse if I didn't have one. Intimacy terrified me. I also have a painfully deep moon on top of that (the women in my chart are nuts!) So I'd run like mad from this.

The 1st date I actually went on was when I was 18 right after H.S. I went out to go grab some tampons one night & when I walked in I remember some guy took notice in me when I walked in the store. I go to pay for my feminine hygiene products and he gets in line behind me with his bottle of vodka and starts up a convo. He tells me his name and that his brother was in the same class I was. I remember this girl I was somewhat friends with at the same job I had worked at with my crush (didn't think of him much anymore since I wasn't there no more) anyways the girl had dated the guy who was chatting me up & she said he used her & broke her heart. I couldn't see why? He was not at all attractive IMO but seemed to have an ego that believed otherwise. He asks for my # and not sure what to do I just give him it & take off (it felt embarrassing standing in line buying tampons while he was talking btw)

Anyways I began scheming on my 2 mins drive home. My friends and I sometimes had trouble getting our hands on alcohol. Another girl and I had fakes but it was always scary using them, it was a last resort. So I figure I'd use this MF to get as much alcohol out of him as I could. So I wasn't aware at the time but my Venus was the mastermind behind my devious plan. He didn't have a clue. I set up to have dinner a few weeks later, to build a little suspense and make sure he was unaware of what I was doing. I never brought up alcohol til right before once he gave me that opportunity to subtly slip in a request to get some alcohol for my friends and I since we were having trouble. I offered to pay, to make me seem like I was really into him & making myself more attractive to him. hoping he'd offer to pay instead. He did. He spared no expense, got me more than I had even asked for. Top shelf. I didn't really even know the difference at that time but yeah that sounds better! Big ol thing of patron, Grey goose. Nasty Jagermeister cause what kid didn't drink that at the time. Got some uv blue and TWO 24 case of corona..in the bottles. I nearly hyperventilated when I saw my bounty. I was nervous I wouldn't be able to get the booze in my car before going to have dinner (we met up there) I go hug him and he goes "here lemme show you what I got you." So I squeal with glee kissing him on the cheek then I grab some of it and run it over to my car. He goes "you wanna do that now?" While I was already putting some of it in my car. I go yeah just get it outta the way. Which he helps bring the beer to my trunk. I listen to him tell his self glorifying stories which I pretended to find fascinating. When my food comes I excuse myself saying I needed to use the restroom which was by the Togo entrance. (Chilis..I picked for this reason exactly.) You see where I am going with this.

Obviously he calls me soon after. I ignored the call obviously. He sends me a wtf text. So I told him the whole story mentioning the girl he hurt. Thanking him for the booze. Then blocking him.

I call my crew up and we threw together a spontaneous party and I felt like a hero and my ego enjoyed reliving the experience as I told my story which they obviously loved. And the best part was that it was totally justified since that is what prompted me in the 1st place.

It might not have been the nicest way to find out bit that experience empowered me and I became aware of my capabilities.

This venus has the power to do so much good but usually it's polarity is expressed more often than not. I remember at the beginning of the 2016 election looking at Trump & Clinton's birthcharts. I looked at trumps 1st. We are both full moons..opposite each others. Him a Gemini sun, Sagittarius moon and me a sag sun, Gemini moon. Both within a degree or two each others. So I sort of innately get him. Like alot of things he says sound nothing at all what he intended to say. I'm not a huge fan of his personality TBH. Not to turn this into a political discussion, he really wasn't as terrible as he was made out to be. If he possessed the ability to STFU every once in awhile he wouldn't have given his opponent all the fuel to use to their advantage.

But w/e..my point was I had taken a look at his chart then checked out Hillarys. I took one glance at that venus in Scorpio & was like NOPE! I do not want that getting hold of any real power. Specially a woman. Unless it's me ofcourse 😏

Anyways, I met my ex when I turned 19 and I swear I lost all sense about me. Another virgo obviously. I was crazy about him before I even met him and idk why. He was hired for a position at my job that I was initially promised. Another girl asked the boss if he was cute and she said she didn't know since another boss hired him. She asked how old he was and the boss says he is 21 and I was immediately excited for him to start. It wasn't all because he could get me booze either..just something like I already had a crush on him. It was weird. I met him on a Friday the 13th...probably should have been a red flag right there. When I first saw him I was immediately smitten. That karmic pull man.. it'll get ya one way or another. We started dating 6 mos layer.

This relationship brought out that dormant venus...good and bad. Another virgo. This one has his saturn EXACT my Venus...to the minute. I unintentionally learned his pw he uses for everything early in the relationship. I'll admit..I was tempted to snoop around his email but was ashamed of myself for even thinking that. I had no reason too & I respected his privacy. I went a year until one night I felt I needed to for some reason and finally just gave in to that. I found out he had signed up on some hookup website about a week earlier. Nothing really came from it..other than him setting it up. But a trust was broken and I approached him, making up a story how someone else found his profile & alerted me of it so he wouldn't know I had his PW. I kept tabs on him after that regularly after that. About a year and a half later he signed up for another site and I told him this time that I had his PW so he obviously changed it. Shortly after he began an emotional affair with a coworker and he didn't see anything wrong with it since it wasn't physical. It obviously hurt me and we fought constantly but he just kept hanging out with her. I never stalked him or anything like that. I just gave into my addictions which landed me in the ER with an OD which caused even bigger fights.

A few months later in 2/2010 I was 23, we got into a fight totally unrelated. It was actually because he didn't like something I cooked and just started insulting me like crazy to the point I was in tears. He went on a ski trip to Colorado with his brother, cousin & BIL the next morning. That night I call up my sister to see if she had any pot connections, which she did, invited some friends over, got baked watched grandma's boy. He didn't call me that night and I didn't call him. After that it was like I just didn't care anymore. I wasn't jealous, I no longer cared. I didn't answer any of his calls the entire time he was gone and whenever he hung out with this chic afterwards it was like I was happy I didn't have to deal with him for a little while. It has never had the same hold on me since.

I met the borderline stalker a few months later. He instantly took to me and I enjoyed the attention but turned down his advances because I was with my ex but he just kept on.

I had just gotten arrested for DUI a few days before I began working with him and my life was already chaotic prior, this just intensified everything 100x.

One day I thought what the heck & proposed a FWB situation with this dude. I told my ex right away my decision and he starts panicking but I grab somethings and chill at a friend's. I told the dude before going in that he shouldn't expect anything from this and that he was likely just a rebound. I told him I was temporary. I was completely up front with him I remember that very clearly. He was a nice calm presence and I enjoyed chillen with him but wanted nothing serious. He seemed to understand and was on board.

3mos later..I worked things put with my ex & figured I better get back to reality & deal with my baggage. So as promised I told this guy I was going back to my ex. + things were becoming to real, like he was starting to introduce me to friends and family. He would get so jealous if I talked to my ex & began snooping on my phone. No thx.

During the break up or whatever you would call it, it seemed like he wasn't grasping what I was saying..let alone accepting it. Like he kept arguing with me, trying to convince me that we shouldn't. It was excruciating. I don't think he actually ever gave me any indication that he accepted it during the split but after a few hours I just left. He would call and text constantly after. Eventually I blocked him though. A few months later I changed my phone # for an unrelated reason. I didn't hear from him again really until summer 2011 when I created a new FB account. (I blocked him on the old one) eventually he found me and would occasionally send me a message which I would never reply but I didn't block him either. 12/21/12 he sent me a birthday message and I knew I had to deal with this guy. Soon after I sent him a message. It was a nice one, Apologizing if I ever hurt him. But I still made it clear I didn't not wish to see him. He would regularly email me asking to hang out though. I didn't give him my phone # for obvious reasons. I stopped using that email shortly after & all but forgot about him. Assuming he moved on. Haha..oh that's funny.

In summer on 2016 my ex and I got divorced and split for good. The stalker must sensed it or something because he FB messaged my sister asking about me. I remembered my email and went to look to see if he sent anything. It wasn't like he sent me many messages about 3 in total just saying hi basically. I must have been brain dead cause I responded and hung out with him (as friends) about 2x. I then had a huge psychotic episode (I am schizophrenic) it was terrifying. I remember feeling this guy was dangerous. I ended up in the ER, then the Mental house for a month. I stopped hanging out with him after that. Also he was still pursuing me. He would text me every now & then but eventually I just ignored him. Fast forward beginning 2018 I hadn't heard from him since early 2017. I was poor at the time and he asked me if I wanted to Blaze and I agreed thinking it was cool. He made advances which I shot down and went on my way. That following summer he messaged me again and we went to the casino. I won 17 bucks. On the way back to my house to drop me off he kept trying to hold my hand and I told him no and he goes "why?" Like are u really that dumb? I must have been to think that hanging out was a good idea. I haven't seen him since.

He would still message me after and I told him to f off. He didn't message me for awhile after.

I remember at the beginning of 2019 I was watching something on Netflix called "stalkers who kill" and naturally thought of him. I got a text message while watching it and immediately think "if that is him I am going to freak out." It was. I did. He was just saying hi and that he wished me well. I did not respond.

It is October 2019 now & my sister and I were in my room one morning watching crazy videos on YouTube. She decides to put on videos about crazy stalkers. In the middle of one of the videos she pauses it for a cigarette break. I get up to get something while waiting for her & remember thinking "wouldn't it be freaky if he were to txt me while I was watching this." Yes ofcourse he did. I swear to God I am not making that up. Pretty much same message as before. This time I told myself I was getting the authorities involved if I got any more messages.

I ended up getting a new # last month but my old number was still in service until the end of the billing cycle. I remember feeling his presence one night but didn't think much of it. The last day of service I get a message. I debated the whole day what to do. At 11:55 that night I send him an old email telling him if he needed to reach me then he could email me. Keep ur friends close but your enemies closer has been a mantra since the 2016 episode.

He replies back if I ever want to hang out in the future. I reply asking him the time and city he was born in. He gave it to me no questions asked and soon after my phone was out of service. He is a Capricorn with a virgo moon that sextiles my Venus. I am not going to lie. His chart only strengthened my fears instead of relieving them.

I have told a few people this and most of them think I am overreacting. My best friend had a similar situation awhile ago so she kinda gets it and agrees he seems scary. She is another Scorpio venus/Pluto but hers are not conjunct. She is pretty mature with hers as well but there are little insecurities I recognize as her venus talking but she is nothing like these stories either. Also she has a virgo moon in the same spot as the dudes. Virgos...virgos everywhere!! @_@

But seriously this dude is the worst kinda scary because he hides it so well. Oh well...it's in God's hands now.

posted May 14, 2021 03:44 AM            

The story I found fascinating and became somewhat obsessed with it for a few days. I completely forgot about it til I read this post which rekindled that fascination.

TBH..I found all the characters to be very unlikable. I am not ashamed to admit that I thought it couldn't have had a happier ending TBH. Setting aside my own personal opinions of the people...I believe everything was justified and no one's hands were cleaner than anyone else's. They all shared equal parts blame. I don't expect you all to agree with me but imma explain why I am right 😏

It starts out with Mark & jennair looking for jobs in a new city that they decided to move to largely due to the fact that jennair is having problems finding work. Mark had mentioned that the 2 had marital problems, like 100% of couples do at some point. I am not going to act like I know exactly what all was going on with them prior to the affair. All I have to go on is all that Mark has said. Venus is Scorpio is going to leave no stone unturned, whether it be stalking an ex or drawing conclusions to something as I am doing right now.

I am sure jennair was a total nightmare at times but Mark said that in 2011 their relationship did a 180 & things improved immensely between them after they moved.

In 2017 she lost her job and it became stressful for the couple. I am sure there was more fights during this time, I cannot imagine there not being. Financial problems are going to intensify any situation no matter who you are. But nowhere does Mark indicate they were headed towards divorce. This move was intended to help their marriage.

So Mark finds a job and decides to move out there first and set things up there while she takes care of all that needs to be done prior to moving.

He meets a pretty young thing who is attracted to him. Ofcourse he is going to find her desirable. It is to be expected, the heart wants what it wants. Neither of them can control that. But they can however control how they respond to..or react in their case..to this attraction.

Dude's wife is States away & judging by his looks and characteristics, he was never beating off women with a stick. This is likely the first person who has shown any interest in him since he met his wife. He describes their meeting very much the same. That he was head over heals when he met her and couldn't imagine his life w/o her.

Yes feelings change & this was refreshing & exciting for him. It was an infatuation & was there to truly tested the strength of their marriage.

So jennair is none the wiser & thinks their marriage is on the right track to making it better while she is the furtherest thing from her husband's mind unbeknownst by her. In his mind they are already divorced.

I thought it was funny that Mark seemed surprised that jennair suspected Meredith to be the reason behind his descion to divorce her since he only mentioned her in a professional context. I can guarantee you that there was already a suspicion of his attraction to her before he even finished the sentence where he first mentioned her. Now that ik the origin of her venus I am sure that was an accurate assumption on my part. No way she did not, even if it was just the slightest, Meredith was already on her radar. Now he all of a sudden wants a divorce? He is about as smart as he looks.

Listen..jennair's behavior was nothing short of insane. Like wtf..sewing in tiny microphones in his clothes everyday. That is some serious dedication. She at least deserves to be nominated for craziest stalker award for sure. I personally don't know how on earth she found the time to do all that she did without Mark finding out. In a strange way it is pretty impressive.

Ik it is easy to put 99% of the blame on her saying she did the most. I can understand why people think that but no. The fact is she did the least. Mark is just a spineless weak fool of a man and is now feeling the weight of his decision & he deserves every moment.

You have to look at all the factors here. I am not saying he should have forced himself to stay married to someone he did not want to be with but how he handled it was without conscious. Marriage has become such a joke. People just say their vows but clearly very few actually take them seriously. You are not only promising this person to honor those vows but you are signing a metaphorical contract with GOD saying you will honor those vows. God doesn't take them quite so lightly however.

He owed it to his wife whom he promised God through sickness and in health til death do they part to honor those vows. Not to be funny but kinda, jennair was the only one who played by the rules. Obviously murder is a big no no too but that is another issue entirely.

He never gave her a real explanation. He went to therapy to humor her. He should have ended the affair for the time being. To allow for the blood to flow back to his head so he could handle everything like a decent human being. His wife was already struggling not having a job and all. So he just moves her away from everything familiar, without a source of income or a support system. With the intention to help their relationship then as soon as she gets out there he is like haha f u. I found a younger, prettier more successful woman who just so happens to work in the same field as you (did) except your self esteem has obviously taken a hit from not being able to find work as it is. Of course she is going to be devastated. Not only is she facing constant rejection on the work force, but now her hubs is rejecting her as well. Instead of talking to his WIFE about their issues he is telling his mistress instead. I am sure she probably said some not so nice things about her too in response to his comments to strengthen his decision to leave her. Obviously I don't know for sure cause I wasn't there but it is a very fair assumption & probably right. Plus this stupid girl didn't even have the courage to tell her own husband about her affair. Jennair did that. Her husband was probably the only character in the story that made an ounce of sense. Divorced her the next day, obviously has some self worth to know he isn't putting up with that. Meredith was probably relieved she didn't have to do her own dirty work either.

Mark says that him and Meredith were both aware that in order for them to be happy it would mean emotionally destroying 2 people. They are both aware of this but it don't matter as long as they are happy.

I must make it clear that I am in no way saying that I believe they should have stayed married to people they didn't want to be with. Not at all. I am however saying they should have handled the situation pretty much entirely opposite of how they did. They knew each other what? Like 6-7mos before she was killed. You can't tell me that was love. It couldn't possibly be since it was clear that neither of them even knew what that meant. It was an infatuation pure and simple. If it was love then they could have waited. Mark said he wanted to divorce his wife the very day that the law would allow it. Disgusting. Let me say that again. Disgusting.

No disrespect to you aries23 but I do not feel that Meredith was even close to an emotionally deep person. Emotionally expressive or open or anything. I do not believe this woman had any idea of what pain actually was. I creeped on all these people to get a feel of their personality first hand. Like whatever personal accts they had created that came up in a web search. What can I say? My Venus made me do it. Meredith struck me as a total cliche without an ounce of depth. She never experienced any real hardships. If she experienced any real rejection that had any effect on a person she showed no evidence of such. Pain builds character and it is defining. I do not know much but I know pain, that is for sure. I honestly feel sorry for those who don't. Pain is love & pain is beauty. She was smoke and mirrors. Granted that isn't entirely her fault. She seems like she has an energy that people easily gravitate towards so it's not like she could really get that perspective since it wasn't in her realm of her understanding.

As for jennair, she never got the chance to really understand the intensity in which she was able to feel. It was like she read the first 3 chapters of a 12 chapter book that she had a quiz on the next day. Ofcourse she is gonna fail. This was a person who probably never in her life imagined she would every want to take another person's life let alone actually do it. But here we are.

What really gets me is how one of the last things Mark says in the documentary is that he can forgive jennair for taking her own life but would never forgive her for taking Meredith's. Up until that point I thought that maybe this guy understood the weight of his actions but clearly he hasn't a clue. Not a clue. Well...maybe a clue. But that is it. He was pretty convincing ill give him that. He had me fooled. But he slipped up and showed himself for what he was. Basically saying he had wished that she killed only herself as it was the next best thing from her just moving on so he could be with his mistress.

I have a very good connection with all of my pastlives. Who I was, what I did, the effects it has on me during the current life. I sometimes remember them better than I do this lifetime.

I have always believes in past lives. I could see other people's but for the longest time I couldn't for the life of me remember where I had been. I kinda just thought maybe this was my first time incarnating. I once contacted a reader about 2 years ago & the 1st part absolutely blew me away. It was unbelievable, this man had one of the most powerful gifts I have to this day seen in another person. The second half was a pastlife reading which did not resonate with me in the slightest. I really tried since the first half was no doubt for real but I just couldn't see myself. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured my higher self had blocked him from that part & thought nothing more of it.

Last summer out of the blue all my past lives came back to me with such a force. Not all of them were pretty and the fact I was in no way looking for any of them when I found them is what makes me know they are real.

After a few I contacted this reader again and told him how the first past life reading made no sense but because he was so accurate on the 1st half I wanted to see if he would mind giving me another reading. I told him I believed it may have not been available for him at that point in time but I had removed those blockages now. I told him nothing of what I had learned. He told me of my 1st lifetimes and about my soul family and there is no way he could have just guessed any of that. I have an unusual soul group and he was just spot on.

The 1st lifetime I remembered was actually my most recent incarnation. I unintentionally discovered it when I was reading some guys chart. I remember the second I saw the chart I go "ik this person!" But I had no clue what that even meant. I swear I spent a weak staring at this chart trying figure out what I was looking at. There was such a karmic energy attached to this person from before he contacted me even but I didn't really put it all together until the end.

Finally I see this person had left his wife for a more desirable woman & his wife ended up hanging herself. I immediately felt sad for this woman & a little angry towards this guy. I kind of laugh & told myself to stop being mad, it was a past life so just put that aside. After continuing it hit me that I was his wife. I felt embarrased and tried to reject that thought but ik it was me so I had to deal with it. Upon my return to the spirit world I felt that same embarrassment coupled with anger when I saw that he was somewhat relieved I was out if his hair. Anyways I shook it off and instead became their guardian angel and tried to bless them with a beautiful life full of love and happiness.

I just made the connection to this story now as I had forgotten about it until this post.

There is some primal instinct in me that can understand jennairs heart so maybe I just am able to connect to that in a way a kind of get how that could have made her think suicide was the only way to regain her sanity. I don't blame her for not thinking Mark or Meredith were deserving of their I'll gotten happiness & she is right to feel that way. I never had that thought to take my husband or his mistress out with me but this was what jennair needed to find peace & the other 2 will grow from the karma as well. In a way they will become stronger through all of this. Meredith is with jennair & is now able to realize it all for what it is & has the chance to evolve which she never would have otherwise. I wish them both happy returns & hopefully Mark realizes how much of a pig he truly is and was so he can stop being one.

posted May 14, 2021 12:11 PM            

my sun is 0 degrees which i'm pretty sure is too far to be considered sextile, just misses it, fell into her 7th house though along with my leo mercury, my venus and ascendant were in her 8th if I remember right 🤔 could've been 9th can't remember how big her 8th house was

it was my cap mars that was sextile (fell into her 12th on her neptune)

if emotional affairs count as cheating... eh we were in an open relationship anyway 🤷‍♀️

interesting that you mention using sexuality like that, she could very much be that way, moreso now post break up from what i know

power games/trips are definitely her thing

definitely something i personally can't wrap my head around, i can be playful and flirty etc but it's never in my head to get anything from it just a having fun thing and i'm upfront about my intentions generally (unless it just would be weird for it to come up and is a given)

i think it's probably different when it falls in other signs maybe, or if easy aspects mute it though depending on where individuals in the person's life rub them synastry wise too

that was interesting to read though because i could see some parallels and it's intriguing to see how that energy can manifest in another person, she was pretty open about **** she was doing post break up telling me which of her rebound's friends had money and who she was intending to get to know "just in case" etc and so on

so worse **** than what you mentioned but yeah

i think if someone was stalking me and had timing like that it'd make me extra paranoid tbh, so i don't find that weird, i think when we talked about your schizophrenia before i mentioned thinking that people with it are still open to messages and things their filter is the issue

i'm the type to try something if i've dreamt of it and whatnot though so 🤷‍♀️ got here following signs and things it's how i live my life a synchronicity like that would leave me with a bad feeling

posted May 14, 2021 06:55 PM            

It would be interesting to see how often a Scorpio venus or a heavy venus/pluto/8th chart is present in crimes of passion. I could see Scorpio moons popping up frequently as well.

Thanks! 😁 I hope your stalker doesn't murder you either.

Hey! So I just got an idea that may solve both of our problems. How's about we set your stalker up with mine? Yours is born less than a week before me so she already has all the stalkable characteristics that mine clearly likes. Her aries moon would actually be a better fit for this guy than my own moon is. They can both just stalk each other since that's a hobby they both enjoy. They might actually enjoy it. Just let them stalk circles around each other. They can make babies & teach them the family trade.

But all joking aside yes, it is unsettling to put it mildly. Much like you had said in one of your earlier posts, that it isn't as if you are living in constant fear of that woman but there is always that awareness like you said.

Until just recently I hadn't given him much thought since I thought there was that 1% chance he had moved on. But here we are. I wish he really would not even just for me but for him. That is no way to live. Who hasn't faced some form of rejection or been attracted to someone who isn't available? Most of us don't become stalkers.

Ik I had more to say but I really gotta take care of some things so imma wrap it up for now.

I am posting our synastry and composite charts if you (or anyone else reading this) wants to see if you notice anything telling that might help me out. You don't gotta, I'm likely going to create another thread in the interpersonal forum about this specifically. But it relates to this thread too so we're cool.

Thanks Dumuzi! I like chatting with you too. It's nice to be able to talk about this situation with someone who has a brainstem.

Synastry: (I am the inner wheel in blue)
http://imgur.com/a/AP9Ukda

posted May 14, 2021 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by VeronicaNicole:

Thanks! 😁 I hope your stalker doesn't murder you either.

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this made me laugh so ******* hard 😁

it would be interesting to see how often scorpio venus/moon came up in things like that, i feel like i remember hearing something about cancer placements and crimes like that before though i can't remember where

i think hooking them up would be great, sounds brilliant, potentially lifesavingly brilliant lol

i get you with that though, better for people like that to move on it's more than just beneficial to the people they're stalking it would be better for them to heal whatever it is that keeps them stuck too

like i honestly don't even have hard feelings towards my ex, i hope she does great and heals her **** just the hell away from me

going to look at the charts now, admittedly synastry and composites aren't my strong suit, but i am curious to see if there's anything there that reflects my own ****

or even cases like the one this thread is about