posted May 09, 2021 06:32 AM            

To summarize,Jennair(wife of Mark & married for 20 years) killed Meredith(her husband's mistress) and then turned the gun on herself.

Just listening to the story of Jennair's actions prior to the murder(when her husband was having the affair), I guessed she was either Plu/Ven, Nep/Ven or Sco/Pisces Ven.

And sure enough, she was Sco Ven/Mars & Jup (D.O.B 19Dec 1970). This would explain her obsessive behaviour with tracking devices, recordings & books filled with transcripts of messages between Mark & Meredith building up to the murder/suicide.

Interestingly enough, she and Meredith (the mistress) had a triple water feature i.e Jennair's was Sco Ven/Mars/Jup. Whilst Meredith(born 31 Jan 1985)was Pis Ven/Mars & Sco Saturn.

I couldn't get hold of Mark's D.O.B to assess his placements. But i find it interesting that he was attracted to women who were so very emotionally deep & often transgressed boundaries.

Granted, Jennair transgressed boundaries through stalking & tracking his(Mark) conversations with Meredith. But she was still married to Mark & perhaps felt she had the "right" to.

But she(Meredith) also transgressed boundaries when she entertained the affair with a married man, whilst still married to someone else!🙆🏿‍♂️

Its difficult to see how all of this could have been avoided though. Progressions suggests that emotions were sky high on both ends at the time.

Jennair had prog Ven-Sag 29 square natal 29 Vir Plu on the day of the murder. TraUra at 28 Ari was trine Ven. The 29th degree has a "no turning back" feel to it. Qhen on the 29th Degree of Sag, the duad its on is Sco. So things likely felt "all or nothing" for Jennair?

And Meredith had prog Moon-Leo 29 (there's that degree again)trine trans Ura Ari 28.She was killed in her home (Moon co-rules the duad of the 29th degree of Leo which is on the Cancer duad).

Add to that, her prog Ven/Mars was square trans Plu-Cap:Very high tension & standoffs with others.Strong feelings evoked in one-on-one interactions(in this case Jennair's)🙆🏿‍♂️

I find often in cases of love gone bad or love gone wrong, water Ven/Moon with aspects to Pluto/Nep/Jup/Mars is involved. Sometimes even water Saturn.💁🏿‍♂️

posted May 09, 2021 06:21 PM            

hopefully i don't get murdered 😁 so far (since the breakup) it's just cyberstalking and she's been quiet since march (but this time i'm positive she's blocked on everything, i have zero social media that'd be accessible, and my phone automatically goes to voicemail for unknown numbers) but i though last august would be the last time and nope 🤷‍♀️

been almost 2 years since she broke up with me, you'd think the person doing the breaking up wouldn't be the one stalking but... 🤣 you'd be wrong

posted May 09, 2021 09:51 PM            

She has VENUS, MARS and JUPITER all in SCORPIO. It seems that VENUS is at the midpoint of her MARS and JUPITER if you use about a 2 degree orb. When it comes down to it that was a crime of passion so VENUS bridging her MARS and JUPITER in scorpio is very fitting bc love and her marriage is what drove her to kill and brought together that MARS and JUPITER energy to manifest in the worst possible way. Would have been nice if love drove her to bridge the energies of MARS and JUPITER in a more positive way but her shadow side got the best of her. This is were free will and how much you have worked on yourself and mastered your inner demons plays a role. Her having venus in scorpio which is challenging and then having her venus also opposing tightly saturn did not help but her nodes and skipped step are very telling.

Her Jupiter in SCORPIO squared exact her nodes which makes this her skipped step, I am feeling she did not master her skipped step and failed again. Jupiter in scorpio makes me think of ethics and morality in the context of scorpio themes. Can't help but think that her northnode in aquarius wanted her to learn to value more friendship and this idea of common humanity over romantic love (southnode in leo).

She got so caught up in her southnode that she failed her skip step and failed to integrate her northnode lessons and instead chose to murder someone over romantic love. She needed to learn about endings and common humanity, she could have ended her marriage instead of killing the mistress and then herself, way too caught up in her southnode, no balance. EPIC fail of nodal lessons and her skipped step.

It seems she had a grand trine between Mercury Rx, MOON and SATURN rx with MOON conjunct Lilith potentially and like I said venus opposite saturn rx. I think this made her more mental and aloof, calculating, made it easy to leave emotions out (emotions also help us do the right thing). I feel this was a "calculated crime of passion" if that makes sense.

posted May 09, 2021 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think i spent a long time with someone who had scorpio venus conjunct pluto (exact) trine pisces mars conjunct jupiter and that was all kinds of hell and crazy so your observations are probably legit

hopefully i don't get murdered 😁 so far (since the breakup) it's just cyberstalking and she's been quiet since march (but this time i'm positive she's blocked on everything, i have zero social media that'd be accessible, and my phone automatically goes to voicemail for unknown numbers) but i though last august would be the last time and nope 🤷‍♀️

been almost 2 years since she broke up with me, you'd think the person doing the breaking up wouldn't be the one stalking but... 🤣 you'd be wrong

for real though hopefully i don't get murdered... not really sure how her trying a million ways to contact me and not getting through online or through text etc will go (she's found accounts i've forgot about gone through group stuff etc in the past, social media **** i didn't even know i had)

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I have venus and mars in the 8th and I did "stalk" my ex for a while after I ended things with him, well once I moved back to Miami that is as I left Miami right after I ended things with him for about 8 months but we always would have sex when I would show up at his house unannounced so he wasn't exactly setting boundaries either but I did stop completely doing that and I WOULD NEVER EVER kill him or any girl he got involved with not even back then after we broke up (the rebound girl) and whoever he is with now I truly send her blessings and thank her, I hope she is making him happy. If anybody cheats on me I would not resort to violence, I would not even scratch their car, I feel that is ridiculous. I would end it, or open up the relationship or tell them I will end it if it happens again and give them one more chance. I think people should avoid cheating but it happens and I have always understood this and coping with cheating with violence has never been an option for me.

posted May 09, 2021 10:52 PM            

Just browsing through the pics.....

posted May 10, 2021 12:02 AM            

Me, who at that time didn't know he still had unfinished business with his ex and he admitted single for a long time to me:
Pisces venus trine Pluto, sextile Neptune (Moon conjunct Jupiter, Mercury square Pluto), -- venus minor aspect Uranus & Saturn

She has Libra Mars and I have Sagittarius Mars, what interesting is: we have the same degrees and it makes a minor aspect to Pluto.

Having water venus, I don't have boundaries issue, although I know it has the tendency.

I think what saved me is when I was the first one found her and let him go when she asked me to let him go (I broke up with my husband immediately) and actually a little bit scared when she asked me to join her plotting something against him and I should be in that scene so she could see my face. Like, what do you mean, so you could see my face? Was it another plot she planned? Or she actually planned the real plot?

posted May 10, 2021 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have venus and mars in the 8th and I did "stalk" my ex for a while after I ended things with him, well once I moved back to Miami that is as I left Miami right after I ended things with him for about 8 months but we always would have sex when I would show up at his house unannounced so he wasn't exactly setting boundaries either but I did stop completely doing that and I WOULD NEVER EVER kill him or any girl he got involved with not even back then after we broke up (the rebound girl) and whoever he is with now I truly send her blessings and thank her, I hope she is making him happy. If anybody cheats on me I would not resort to violence, I would not even scratch their car, I feel that is ridiculous. I would end it, or open up the relationship or tell them I will end it if it happens again and give them one more chance. I think people should avoid cheating but it happens and I have always understood this and coping with cheating with violence has never been an option for me.

Dont' know about your girl, but I think you will be safe.

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well she actually is violent so that's part of my concern

also post break up she did **** like plant drugs in the bathroom at her job and try to pin it on a coworker who was her "best friend" because the woman told her she was ******* life up

lady had 3 kids and was going through a divorce

i don't say dating her was "hell" lightly, and i say it like a joke but would it be 100% surprising? no...

the stalker **** is bad (hard boundaries have been there for over a year now) but i'm also judging her based on the almost 15 years we were together too, knew her for 20

i imagine you aren't a violent person to begin with, she is among many other things

like i said, "hell" isn't a term i've used lightly and honestly, it's a bit of an understatement

edit: btw i'm not like concerned about it in the sense that it's really on my mind most of the time or anything, just a general awareness that i spent about half my life with someone who has severe issues, violent tendencies, and doesn't seem to be able to fully let me go thus far

posted May 10, 2021 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think i spent a long time with someone who had scorpio venus conjunct pluto (exact) trine pisces mars conjunct jupiter and that was all kinds of hell and crazy so your observations are probably legit

hopefully i don't get murdered 😁 so far (since the breakup) it's just cyberstalking and she's been quiet since march (but this time i'm positive she's blocked on everything, i have zero social media that'd be accessible, and my phone automatically goes to voicemail for unknown numbers) but i though last august would be the last time and nope 🤷‍♀️

been almost 2 years since she broke up with me, you'd think the person doing the breaking up wouldn't be the one stalking but... 🤣 you'd be wrong

for real though hopefully i don't get murdered... not really sure how her trying a million ways to contact me and not getting through online or through text etc will go (she's found accounts i've forgot about gone through group stuff etc in the past, social media **** i didn't even know i had)

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Oh my goodness. She is obsessed.

I find the way to deal with is that you flip the script and be this way with her.

posted May 10, 2021 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I think to have the balls to actually murder someone MARS would need to be highlighted strongly bc it takes major balls to be able to do that.

She has VENUS, MARS and JUPITER all in SCORPIO. It seems that VENUS is at the midpoint of her MARS and JUPITER if you use about a 2 degree orb. When it comes down to it that was a crime of passion so VENUS bridging her MARS and JUPITER in scorpio is very fitting bc love and her marriage is what drove her to kill and brought together that MARS and JUPITER energy to manifest in the worst possible way. Would have been nice if love drove her to bridge the energies of MARS and JUPITER in a more positive way but her shadow side got the best of her. This is were free will and how much you have worked on yourself and mastered your inner demons plays a role. Her having venus in scorpio which is challenging and then having her venus also opposing tightly saturn did not help but her nodes and skipped step are very telling.

Her Jupiter in SCORPIO squared exact her nodes which makes this her skipped step, I am feeling she did not master her skipped step and failed again. Jupiter in scorpio makes me think of ethics and morality in the context of scorpio themes. Can't help but think that her northnode in aquarius wanted her to learn to value more friendship and this idea of common humanity over romantic love (southnode in leo).

She got so caught up in her southnode that she failed her skip step and failed to integrate her northnode lessons and instead chose to murder someone over romantic love. She needed to learn about endings and common humanity, she could have ended her marriage instead of killing the mistress and then herself, way too caught up in her southnode, no balance. EPIC fail of nodal lessons and her skipped step.

It seems she had a grand trine between Mercury Rx, MOON and SATURN rx with MOON conjunct Lilith potentially and like I said venus opposite saturn rx. I think this made her more mental and aloof, calculating, made it easy to leave emotions out (emotions also help us do the right thing). I feel this was a "calculated crime of passion" if that makes sense.

Thanks for sharing, love you started a thread. Nice to see you.

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❤❤❤ thanks hyptia238😁

Yes, I agree with you. This is a harsh lesson of not having much self awareness & succumbing to the power of one's own emotions.This even to your own detriment.

It was certainly calculated. That is sure. The act was a last ditch effort to mantain control over a situation that she felt was out of her hands.

Rejection is very painful for most ( certainly).For Scorpio it surfaces issues of abandonment, betrayal & resentment. And the results can ve "all or nothing" (at worst).

I find Jupiter in Sco in her chart highly ironic. Jupiter here longs for intimacy, the type where one "surrenders" completely to the other without reserve.

But according to the doc, she was very controlling of Mark. He said that she was domineering and he(Mark) perhaps found Meredith's more playful Gemini Moon a breath of fresh air? Well,atleast on the surface.💁🏿‍♂️

That Sat opp Ven/Mars and Jupiter in Jennair's chart suggests fears of relinquishing control. Perhaps fearing that her whole world would be turned upside down if she was to "give a little"?

In the end however, her need for dominance and fearing the opposite(being out of control) became a self fulfilling prophecy .

Mark wanted a divorce. And she couldn't reverse that even as she begged him for marriage counselling.

Mark resented the continued subversive control she insisted on having by taping conversations between he(Mark) and Meredith through a sewn recording decice in one of Mark's frequently worn jackets 😶

Ironically, Mark was only swopping the black kettle for the black pot. As Meredith enjoyed the same Saturn aspects with her Mercury/Ven/Mars and Jupiter as Jennair did.

But in Meredith's case, they were sextiles and trines. So me thinks Mark is drawn to domineering partners or partners who have "boss" vibes(Sat).

I wish his DOB was available for scrutiny as the two women are actually quite similar beneath the surface appearances of age.

posted May 10, 2021 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
It sounds like Betty Broderick, doesn't it? Only I think she killed her ex, and his new girlfriend or wife. I remember Meredith Baxter playing her in a mini-series, when I was a kid.

http://starsmoonandsun.com/2020/05/30/the-astrology-of-dan-betty-broderick/

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Interestingly Betty has Sat in aspect to Mars/Sun,Ven & Pluto. This suggests someone who is very much about doing things in the "straight and narrow" . Not very flexible to changes to a set plan.

She endured all those years of providing for her husband whilst he pursued his studies whilst she was also expected to run the home. All without complaint.

I suspect that that Saturn conj Mars in Leo waa definitely a strong support system for that. As is usually the case with fixed signs.

It seems unfair though that one can put one through medical achool and law school. This only to be left for someone else💁🏿‍♂️

Not to say that one should feel "obligated" to stay in a miserable marriage indefinitely.

But there should have been some "reparation" or effort to pay back on the part of Dan. This to alleviate the resentment that sacrifices made by Betty were ALL for nought😶.

posted May 10, 2021 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oh my goodness. She is obsessed.

I find the way to deal with is that you flip the script and be this way with her.

Call her at odd hours, leave cryptic messages in her mail etc. She'll stop.

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lol i'm not sure that'd be healthy for me but that's a really funny suggestion, i could see how that would work with some people though which makes it funnier

i appreciate the laugh at the very least

i'm curious do you read into these sorts of things often and find that? Ami had mentioned in some other thread that she's seen some horror stories with venus conjunct pluto in scorpio specifically before as well

i've also had intense (but less so in ways) experiences with scorpio mars people, but not really other placements so much like sun or ascendant doesn't seem to get that way (moon though too)

posted May 10, 2021 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
lol i'm not sure that'd be healthy for me but that's a really funny suggestion, i could see how that would work with some people though which makes it funnier

i appreciate the laugh at the very least

i'm curious do you read into these sorts of things often and find that? Ami had mentioned in some other thread that she's seen some horror stories with venus conjunct pluto in scorpio specifically before as well

i've also had intense (but less so in ways) experiences with scorpio mars people, but not really other placements so much like sun or ascendant doesn't seem to get that way (moon though too)

glad you're back around btw, always enjoyed your posts

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Thanks Dumuzi 😁. The past year or two have been filled with some emotional strife. Hence my disappearance from Lindaland. Uranus crossed natal Pluto by opposition and brought with it more upheavals than thought. But we soldier on.

When we are dealing with boundaries being crossed i.e stalking behaviour, breaking into homes, intercepting phone calls etc. I have to go to "water". Because water tends to draw no distinctions betwee YOU and I.

Scorpios momentum is long and coming. And when on Ven/Mars and even Moon(ime), it can spell extreme emotions.This can be exacerbated by contacts to Pluto which (like Gollum in L.O.T.R trilogy end) ends up consuming the native "flesh and all" in fiery flames.

All this is because it is then difficult for the native to separate the "self" and "how they feel". It is ALL one thing(for better or worse). And oftentimes the "till death do us part" is felt from a visceral level of not only being unable to let go on one hand. But also feeling that "death" will be the end they meet, should they do.

So essentially Sco seeks to love-control. Often confusing the two to be one. Controlling against the fear of loss, betrayal and their own annihilation.

This was an example of many cases I have seen where things escalate to this fatal precipice. Another case was a local one involving a husband who killed his children to "hurt" the spouse.

posted May 10, 2021 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thanks Dumuzi 😁. The past year or two have been filled with some emotional strife. Hence my disappearance from Lindaland. Uranus crossed natal Pluto by opposition and brought with it more upheavals than thought. But we soldier on.

When we are dealing with boundaries being crossed i.e stalking behaviour, breaking into homes, intercepting phone calls etc. I have to go to "water". Because water tends to draw no distinctions betwee YOU and I.

Scorpios momentum is long and coming. And when on Ven/Mars and even Moon(ime), it can spell extreme emotions.This can be exacerbated by contacts to Pluto which (like Gollum in L.O.T.R trilogy end) ends up consuming the native "flesh and all" in fiery flames.

All this is because it is then difficult for the native to separate the "self" and "how they feel". It is ALL one thing(for better or worse). And oftentimes the "till death do us part" is felt from a visceral level of not only being unable to let go on one hand. But also feeling that "death" will be the end they meet, should they do.

So essentially Sco seeks to love-control. Often confusing the two to be one. Controlling against the fear of loss, betrayal and their own annihilation.

This was an example of many cases I have seen where things escalate to this fatal precipice. Another case was a local one involving a husband who killed his children to "hurt" the spouse.

In his case, Venus was in Cancer. Venus formed a square to Pluto. His motive was that he felt his wife loved his kids more than him. So he got them "out of the way" .🤷🏿‍♂️

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no problem, sorry to hear that though, better now i hope

that's a good description of scorpio, and of water actually haven't really thought on it in those terms 🤔

posted May 10, 2021 03:57 PM            

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❤❤❤ thanks hyptia238😁

I find Jupiter in Sco in her chart highly ironic. Jupiter here longs for intimacy, the type where one "surrenders" completely to the other without reserve.

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From my experience with VENUS in Scorpios personally and professionally they fear surrender, they fear the intensity of their emotions and then keep people at arms length and when they don't they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions and the fear of loss gets super highlighted but is more the anticipation of it that messes with them as once the loss happens they feel the loss intensely but often can bounce back from it well to their surprise.

From my experience the desire to surrender is a more PISCES thing. Listen to this song, he has moon in pisces even though he has sun in capricorn and that song screams MOON in PISCES which I have so I recognize it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx9zMFodNtA&fbclid=IwAR3zYHeBxSW seMytpznYRkqa4N8PdyhHbq9uZACB4fOITNxhfVN-mcGC9iM

SCORPIO likes to control and be in control yet if they lose control is epic and big bc of that all or nothing approach they often come to me to try to learn balance and manage better. Mars in scorpio in a stellium with jupiter in scorpio would be SUPER CONTROLLING, like the need to control on steroids since Jupiter multiplies what it touches. My husband with mercury and mars in scorpio has controlling traits, I would not say the desire to surrender is there at all but yes to the desire to control and feel in control. I would say venus in scorpio fears surrender bc they fear the intensity of their emotions.

posted May 10, 2021 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
well she actually is violent so that's part of my concern

also post break up she did **** like plant drugs in the bathroom at her job and try to pin it on a coworker who was her "best friend" because the woman told her she was ******* life up

lady had 3 kids and was going through a divorce

i don't say dating her was "hell" lightly, and i say it like a joke but would it be 100% surprising? no...

the stalker **** is bad (hard boundaries have been there for over a year now) but i'm also judging her based on the almost 15 years we were together too, knew her for 20

i imagine you aren't a violent person to begin with, she is among many other things

like i said, "hell" isn't a term i've used lightly and honestly, it's a bit of an understatement

edit: btw i'm not like concerned about it in the sense that it's really on my mind most of the time or anything, just a general awareness that i spent about half my life with someone who has severe issues, violent tendencies, and doesn't seem to be able to fully let me go thus far

i'm probably way less likely to get murdered this way than if i was still with her so that's a plus 😁

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D*mnnn Dumuzi! She is messed up, that is some dark s*it what she did to her friend and I am so glad you ended it with her.

It does sound like Hell, I hear you and trust your judgement, I get what you mean that you are not losing sleep over this potential but you know is in the realm of possibilities given her character and behavioral history. Do let closed ones know of this concern and if she threatens you report it maybe.

I am not violent by nature, don't even like breaking things unless there is a constructive purpose to do it, I just know you cannot take back killing someone and reallllllllly don't like the idea of having to dispose of a dead body and don't want that in my conscious for the rest of my life, is just not something I want to carry around and I know if I ever acted on that momentary impulse I would regret it pretty quickly so is not an option.

I think anyone in a relationship that gets intense can have those moments that they want to strangle/kill their significant other but the majority of people don't act on their emotions or impulse bc they know they would regret it and how they feel in the moment will pass and I include myself in this. I understand emotions and thoughts come and go and I allow myself to feel the emotions and acknowledge what is there but then just let it pass, I don't act on how I feel. I have mars conjunct venus in the 8th but sextile pluto and trine neptune so I think that influence of venus and neptune and the soft aspect to pluto help that 8th house energy stay in check, in my case it showed up with addiction towards romantic love, some jealousy and some obsessiveness but that has all been worked through, the jealousy stuff got worked through first in my 20s and I outgrew that.

posted May 10, 2021 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think i spent a long time with someone who had scorpio venus conjunct pluto (exact) trine pisces mars conjunct jupiter and that was all kinds of hell and crazy so your observations are probably legit

hopefully i don't get murdered 😁 so far (since the breakup) it's just cyberstalking and she's been quiet since march (but this time i'm positive she's blocked on everything, i have zero social media that'd be accessible, and my phone automatically goes to voicemail for unknown numbers) but i though last august would be the last time and nope 🤷‍♀️

been almost 2 years since she broke up with me, you'd think the person doing the breaking up wouldn't be the one stalking but... 🤣 you'd be wrong

for real though hopefully i don't get murdered... not really sure how her trying a million ways to contact me and not getting through online or through text etc will go (she's found accounts i've forgot about gone through group stuff etc in the past, social media **** i didn't even know i had)

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I think this woman may have been born a few days prior to me as we have the same aspects that you listed.

I have my Venus 11° conjunct Pluto 9° in Scorpio 5th house.

My Mars & Jupiter are conjunct in Pisces 9th house.

The venus & Mars conjunctions form a grand water trine with my cancer ascendant.

I can understand the energies she is dealing with. They are overwhelming, potent, consuming and intense to say the least. Not an easy aspect to successfully navigate in its most elevated form.

While I can sympathize with other venus/Pluto in Scorpio people, in relation to them, I am more in control of the ugly traits that come with. Like I could in no way fathom ever behaving like that.

This chic seems to be the most extreme expression of that energy.

The moon & house placement probably has alot to do with how she handles this.

I feel you, I have my own (borderline) stalker that makes me more than a little nervous. He doesn't act like yours. He is more subtle & it is hard for me to know exactly what he is feeling he doesn't show real emotions. I am at the end of my rope after 11 years. Like get over it seriously.

I would credit my Venus in being responsible for his obsession.

posted May 10, 2021 11:48 PM            

yeah, honestly she wasn't quite like that when we first got together and when we were growing up, she became unrecognizable over time

she went through a lot of **** her mother is actually worse than her even in a lot of ways so it all stemmed from somewhere, doesn't excuse it just you know... idk i guess part of me feels the need to humanize her or something i guess

if she threatens me i will, because 😬 but otherwise i'm kind of just trying the whole distance thing

you definitely don't strike me as a violent person so i'm not surprised (lol@the body disposal statement), but yeah i think everyone can get that level angry at some point that's normal it's crossing the line that's the issue

i didn't do the breaking **** thing either, she was into that usually my **** but 🤷‍♀️ it doesn't do anything ultimately just spite

she actually had an easy aspect to neptune from the venus/pluto conjunction, but in her case aries moon square neptune and then her sun square mars (which was in her first house in placidus with jupiter, aqua ascendant) mars was square uranus and saturn too (her sun was right in between them) so there were some differences that were pretty extreme

she has algol right on her ic too

you have more to soften it i think, her scorpio mercury probably didn't help lol (she had it conjunct her midheaven but both too far from venus/pluto to count) i think your virgo mercury probably calms things too

posted May 11, 2021 12:01 AM            

Hers is 8 degrees I think, 12/9/86, her conjunction is exact and squaring her ascendant so probably hits harder whereas yours softens it but then you're dealing with someone else's ****

though she would get weird stalker **** that came her way too, funny sometimes how aspects can kind of work both ways they can show what you get and/or what you put out

11 years though? i'm really sorry to hear that, i'm about 2 years and that's been plenty, damn... really can't imagine that

i mentioned her moon and some other placements i think may be at play here in my response to hypatia, i think you're definitely right about the other factors being part of the issue

posted May 11, 2021 10:07 AM            

damn, made me think of my ex the time i said i wanted to break up and she told me "no" and then said if i wanted her out i would have to call the police and legally have her kicked out and going on about court etc

so we didn't break up that time... i just got high and drunk instead, was easier

she'd do a lot of gaslighting and **** when we'd argue too and i used to tell her she made me feel like recording an argument just so she could hear all the times she'd freak out and scream at me for "yelling" when i wasn't etc

anyway one day while i was going through stuff on the laptop (i was the only one who used the recording **** on it because i record myself singing/playing guitar and singing to learn) and i came across a recording that was a fight her and i had that she recorded (whole thing was her doing all the **** i told her she would do)

next day the recording was deleted and she didn't mention it at all, couple weeks later i told her i recorded something and she lost her **** and told me i was an ******* etc and so on how dare i behave like that and how i was probably faking everything i said on it

i didn't bother mentioning i found out she had done that first (this was towards the end i mostly didn't have energy anymore for it, she'd start and i'd just go have a cigarette or refuse to fight to the point where she'd start picking at things around and telling me to move them or do something anything so she could be in control) just gave up

so it was ok for her and not for me

scorpio moon friend of mine did the refuse to divorce thing too, her husband told her he wanted that she told him it wasn't happening and she wouldn't sign divorce papers so good luck

flipside of this was she told me she was considering divorcing him, so she just wants to be able to initiate it (she doesn't have venus/pluto though)

i've also experienced many times with scorpio placements (not sun and ascendant though idk why) the "everything i do that's wrong is something you made me do" **** , that's how my ex was that's how this friend i mentioned is, a different scorpio moon friend same thing

we had an argument over her getting mad at me when she misinterpreted something i said (repeatedly told her that wasn't an issue) and then when i tried to end the conversation and said goodnight she got mad at me for not just changing the subject proceeded to hurt herself while telling me the self harm was my fault for not changing the subject, saying goodnight, and triggering her abandonment issues (i ended the friendship after that)

posted May 11, 2021 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
no problem, sorry to hear that though, better now i hope

that's a good description of scorpio, and of water actually haven't really thought on it in those terms 🤔

that's a hell of a way to get your wife's attention 😬 do you remember where his mercury was? i imagine that had to be ****** given the logic (lack thereof)

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Thanks. We live and learn❤

I am not sure where the guy's Mercury was tbh. I glanced at his chart last year( whem this incident occurred). If I can locate it, i will tell you.

I thought his reasons very much in keeping with the extreme petty nature that Ven Can can get tbh. In that the wife didn't know she had 4 children(including the hubby)🤷🏿‍♂️

How do you get jealous over your own kids? But it happens https:// www.nytimes.com/ 2020/04/16/parenting/jealous-of-baby.html.

posted May 11, 2021 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
From my experience with VENUS in Scorpios personally and professionally they fear surrender, they fear the intensity of their emotions and then keep people at arms length and when they don't they feel overwhelmed by their own emotions and the fear of loss gets super highlighted but is more the anticipation of it that messes with them as once the loss happens they feel the loss intensely but often can bounce back from it well to their surprise.

From my experience the desire to surrender is a more PISCES thing. Listen to this song, he has moon in pisces even though he has sun in capricorn and that song screams MOON in PISCES which I have so I recognize it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx9zMFodNtA&fbclid=IwAR3zYHeBxSW seMytpznYRkqa4N8PdyhHbq9uZACB4fOITNxhfVN-mcGC9iM

SCORPIO likes to control and be in control yet if they lose control is epic and big bc of that all or nothing approach they often come to me to try to learn balance and manage better. Mars in scorpio in a stellium with jupiter in scorpio would be SUPER CONTROLLING, like the need to control on steroids since Jupiter multiplies what it touches. My husband with mercury and mars in scorpio has controlling traits, I would not say the desire to surrender is there at all but yes to the desire to control and feel in control. I would say venus in scorpio fears surrender bc they fear the intensity of their emotions.

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YES.Ven in Scorpio absolutely fears surrender. Ven is at its detrimental position here. There could be issues with fear of betrayal and trust complexities etc.

But with Jupiter in Sco I have experienced it a little differently. My ex has this and so does my Dad as well as Biological Father.

Jupiter is neutral in Sco because its domicile is Pisces. So there is potential here for the belief system to be strong. In that Jup Sco can be loyal to their ideals or beliefs- this even to their death.

So perhaps "surrender" is the wrong word? But what I meant is "mergence" to the point of indivisibility.That they become "one" with the belief system, the idea, the partnership etc.

Jup in Sco WANTS to share secrets and longs for someone whom they can trust without reserve.This even with their life. And unlike Venus in Sco, the willingness to open up and share vulnerabilities (barring other factors that say otherwise) is quite great.

Expansion(Jup) is seen through the passage
of intimacy(Sco). And this involves connection through emotional rapport (water).

With the unevolved Sco Ven(this placement is already in its detrimental position and so the possibilities increase),the pleasure (Ven) could be in the seduction (Sco).

The ability Sco Ven has to spell-bind others is palpable.At worst, Venus in Sco can go for intimacy in order to gain control i.e being fantastic in bed.

And unless they have dealt with their own complexities around the issue of affection /love and trust etc.They can remain forever guarded and barely touching the surface of the very intimacy they really want to experience.But are terrified to let in.

Jupiter in Pisces is at it domicile and Venus in Pisces is at its exalted point. So here, tearing down boundaries in the name of merging as one is done without much reservation (even by default). Which is why Pisces picks up stray energy or is susceptible to psychic attacks.

My current S.O has this terrible habit of wearing my stuff. And sometimes going as far as wearing my underwear. Eeuw!!🤮

Now I have had to address this because he thinks its cool.There should be no boundaries between us.No?

I say yes, boundaries are good because they maintain the mystery and allow the other person to preserve a piece of themselves to themselves.

posted May 11, 2021 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Scorpios tend to have loose boundaries when it comes to invading someone’s privacy but very protective when it comes to their own.

When my Scorpio friend suspected her husband of adultery, she hacked into his email, Facebook, Instagram to read his messages and search history. At that time I thought she was scary but understood why she did that but FF 10 years I found out that she is still doing this! I told her this is a serious breech of privacy and if there’s no trust in a marriage then there’s no point keeping it, but she justified her behaviour by saying her husband shouldn’t have behaved in a certain way that aroused her suspicion etc... so basically she’s saying it’s his fault and her action is justified. When I watched the interview of Betty Broderick on Winfrey’s show, she sounded exactly the same. Also my friend’s husband said he’s afraid she might murder him because he’s threatening divorce and she refused. I don’t know what she did that made him feel that way...she could have exuded the killer vibe. I don’t think she’ll really kill him but her Sun/Moon are square Mars so she has quite a temper and she also has Venus/Pluto.

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Wow.That sounds creepy. Not sexy at all.

I must be a differing type of Ven/Plu/Sat in Sco. I just dont do the whole "reading my S.O's messages" thing. I just don't feel its necessary for me to even know their passwords. How they feel about me and what they say behind my back about us, is their business.🤷🏿‍♂️

posted May 11, 2021 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow.That sounds creepy. Not sexy at all.

I must be a differing type of Ven/Plu/Sat in Sco. I just dont do the whole "reading my S.O's messages" thing. I just don't feel its necessary for me to even know their passwords. How they feel about me and what they say behind my back about us, is their business.🤷🏿‍♂️

Maybe I am naive? But I really have more peace of mind with this mentality.

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