posted July 14, 2021 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Amoranthaniela

no one can genuinely change themselves to fit everyone they can encounter and remain genuine, there's adaptability and there's having no core self

lack of core self is a disconnect, a defect, something broken that needs fixing not a positive and certainly not genuine

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posted July 14, 2021 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
I think we're speaking of something else. Apologies if not clear.

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posted July 14, 2021 08:58 PM            

as someone whos been through a lot of abuse and trauma i can say for a long time i didnt know who i was.. ive discovered that it was mainly because i didnt validate my own feelings. i would bounce around between feeling powerless and powerful until i learned to validate my own feelings.

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Someone so mutable inside, and without a conscience, can be a con ...
Deceptive

consider ~~ more of a Sag Rising,
w Sag Moon 1st House.
First House = "Personality."

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posted July 14, 2021 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I would be very happy with a Sagittarius moon, traveling, without stopping still, and ******* with anyone(characteristics of Ssgitario), without any honor or loyalty. It would be a very easy life.

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posted July 15, 2021 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Amoranthaniela

no one can genuinely change themselves to fit everyone they can encounter and remain genuine, there's adaptability and there's having no core self

lack of core self is a disconnect, a defect, something broken that needs fixing not a positive and certainly not genuine

@mirage29

i remember those threads, i assume she's genuinely mentally ill though i don't necessarily believe all her stories 100%

obviously adoption isn't kidnapping, but someone could feel like they were etc and so on, could be a language barrier to some degree when it comes to self expression

having had a pretty hard to convey at points ****** life personally i don't really feel comfortable calling someone straight up a liar for having a life full of unfortunate situations bad decisions etc

also her rising sign and **** have always changed because she doesn't know the time, i assume she's just going with whatever she currently believes to be true

there's definite red flags, but i'm leaning towards some cluster b **** personally regardless she could use therapy it seems

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I forgot to answer you.
Everyone can change themselves to suit anyone, in fact it's what everyone does. Can't you see it? If not, we would all just be what we are, dust of the universe.
But we are supposed to be on Earth to have a personality, defined tastes, etc., to meet others similar to us.
That stopped being of interest to me when I found myself in an extreme survival situation, therefore I can be anyone with anyone. I do the same as everyone else, adopt a personality. I don't see where the point of not being genuine is.

I am not mentally ill, but I have survived a mental illness. A delusional Pisces, mutable, without conscience. That one day he adored me, another day he hated me, another day he tortured me, Another day of silence treatment, another day I was the best thing in his life, etc ... It's not easy to grow up like this when you've lost everything to be with that person, you know? And above without the possibility of returning.But never mind, I think I'm not so bad after all.

Adoption is a kidnapping. It is an arranged marriage between two adults and a child who never gave consent. This is so, whether you want to admit it or not. Even adoption goes way beyond kidnapping. It is not the same for someone to welcome you and help you a little, than for someone to put you in their house and play to be a mother and father with a minor. It is like a violation of life and creation. But again, it doesn't matter.

posted July 15, 2021 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I wonder if she's an addict ..??

Needs an excellent live-in program,
for a number of years,
to straighten MULTIPLE things out for her, from early childhood even.
Since she's able to post here, and hold conversations, then certainly there's a place for her in Society where she could do Good for it.

Need proper Connection!

I think when she was 7 years old, her deep inner self decided to reject her adoptive parents... In a way, from what she has discussed, she is being inwardly Run (unconsciously/subconsciously) by a little torqued-off child. Torqued-off that her own DNA parents did not stay on the planet. *soo sad*

My guess would be that she was probably catered to excessively (as the initial (missionary?) parents would have wanted to put MORE time into her, and bond her with their own children and culture. The first adoptives were a christian family from Spain, who brought her to their home from Russia to adopt her. They MUST have had money to do such a thing. ... Then she speaks of a poorer family?
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I wonder too, if she had made sexual advances (even COMPLETELY innocently) towards her adoptive dad (or his son or nephew?)... and she misunderstood their reaction-- taking it the wrong way?

Libra person... she fell in love with her own brother (found much-later in life)? .. and separation happened again. .. So confusing to her subconscious?? ..

Dumuzi.. for ALL my years, I've always sided with the victim FIRST, almost all the way. And in recent years, I've learned that people both CAN Lie.. AND be a victim.
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I've walked many corridors of life.
I've been in Groups, and ran my own Mutual Help group at one time in my life (before relocating to this State).
It's always shocking (to me) when legitimate victims decide to 'use' people. And it hurts me when I find out that they LIE (to me)-- (with them, I'm not speaking of white lies or assessable exaggerations).

She changes too many things,
she twists her stories... to get sympathy?

I'd LOVE (with ALL my Heart) to give this person total Sympathies---
to BELIEVE her every word!!
Thing is, I want my sympathies to go out based on TRUTH, not by it being manipulated 'from' me ...

The plain Truth itself can be gnarly, sad, and shocking-enough, without excessive over~embellishments.

(Maintained manipulative-behaviors are a trigger for me.)

It's good to see you, Dumuzi --
you have infinite Patience! 🙏

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I'm not addicted, I hate all kinds of substances. I would like to live off the air, without even needing to eat or drink
🤣

Who are you to decide if someone needs a YEARS hosting program? Are you okay in the head? Don't play God.

No, I never rejected my adoptive parents. They rejected me for not meeting their expectations (but again, I was a Jewish girl. We assimilate into the society we are in but we are a people.Stubborn. We cannot change everything about us, and that is what they wanted. I just wanted to be with them and share, they didn't want that.

My DNA parents ... Funny topic. I have recently rejected my birth mother ... And any biological bond that binds me to anyone. Now it's just me and my soul, uninfluenced by anyone. I think That that's my destiny anyway. I renounce any biological bond that binds me to someone. Although I am critical of adoption, I deeply adore what it has taught me.

Was I over-cared for? 😅 It's funny that. I never asked for anything. And I don't accept anything that I haven't asked for. If someone wants to give me something voluntarily, that's fine. But I do not care so much what they give me, but the person who He gives it to me. There are people who need to give to show your affection for you, and I accept it because I understand that they show it. But boy, I'm not asking for anything. With so much accepting what these people wanted to give me, I ended up with a punch to the heart ... So I no longer want to accept anything from anyone. Whoever is in my life must accept that I love him As a person, not anything you have to give me.
My adoptive parents don't have children of their own. My adoptive mother Pisces, in her madness of wanting children for her .... She always looked at other children as wanting them for her, while I was by her side and had lost my whole life for her. It is very humiliating. To give you an example of the situation, imagine that a woman takes you out of where you are, because she wants a husband, without knowing how one day you are married to her and living in her house, and soon after, she, having you by her side, does nothing but see and wish other men and compare you with them, telling you why are you not like other men, that others are good husbands and you are not. When you are putting all of yourself to have that woman who married you happy . This is the story. But he reverses roles with a girl and a woman who wanted to be a mother.

That I have made sexual advances with my adoptive father? Well, let's go to this topic because it is long. And very uncomfortable. But I honestly do not feel like touching this topic.

Libra person ... My brother is Capricorn. Where is it that my brother is Libra? The Libra boy I'm talking about was complicated. In our synastry we had Moon conjunct Pluto, and you can imagine What is that. I have experienced Venus / Pluto with 3 people, and the Moon / Pluto is beyond that. We were babies, father and mother, lovers, friends. One day he saw me with another boy that he did not know,TALKING. And I thought he was going to kill me. The relationship is very crazy. It left a very strong mark on me. Pluto's beast against the soft Moon ... I was very traumatized.

posted July 15, 2021 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I forgot to answer you.
Everyone can change themselves to suit anyone, in fact it's what everyone does. Can't you see it? If not, we would all just be what we are, dust of the universe.
But we are supposed to be on Earth to have a personality, defined tastes, etc., to meet others similar to us.
That stopped being of interest to me when I found myself in an extreme survival situation, therefore I can be anyone with anyone. I do the same as everyone else, adopt a personality. I don't see where the point of not being genuine is.

I am not mentally ill, but I have survived a mental illness. A delusional Pisces, mutable, without conscience. That one day he adored me, another day he hated me, another day he tortured me, Another day of silence treatment, another day I was the best thing in his life, etc ... It's not easy to grow up like this when you've lost everything to be with that person, you know? And above without the possibility of returning.But never mind, I think I'm not so bad after all.

Adoption is a kidnapping. It is an arranged marriage between two adults and a child who never gave consent. This is so, whether you want to admit it or not. Even adoption goes way beyond kidnapping. It is not the same for someone to welcome you and help you a little, than for someone to put you in their house and play to be a mother and father with a minor. It is like a violation of life and creation. But again, it doesn't matter.

If you lived with someone who tries to kill you every day of your life, perhaps you would also have unfortunate situations, mostly because your life is no longer yours, and you are legal property.

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if you're changing yourself to suit other people then you aren't being genuine, being genuine is being who you are at your core regardless of anyone else, that's just facts right there

you can argue it if you want, but you'll be wrong so it's better to not bother 🤷‍♀️

like i said it was a survival method for you, one you yourself said is manipulative, i acknowledged as much

my ex was like that to a large degree, the back and forth love/hate **** , she almost definitely has a cluster b disorder

adoption isn't kidnapping, again you may have felt that way, but you weren't taken from a family that wanted you by random people and then just put into their home

you were handed over to your adoptive family, this is not kidnapping as the word in and of itself implies forcible taking of a child/ "theft"

you're very presumptuous about what my life has been so let me fill you in on some details so maybe you don't make that mistake again

i was raised in an abusive household (abused by my own family) and experienced every form of abuse throughout the course of my life (mental, emotional, sexual, and physical) and went on to be in a longterm abusive relationship with someone who had serious mental issues

i have lived with someone who tried to kill me, i've been raped, i've had to hide bruises and lie about things going on in my life to people to avoid trouble etc and so on and that lasted for most of my life, longer than you've been alive and i'm 34

i could keep going and tell you plenty of stories so if i were you i'd refrain from telling me how i'd behave in certain situations, you don't know me and you don't know my life so to act like i couldn't possibly imagine bad **** or abuse is rather pointless don't you think?

clearly i don't need to imagine it

in your very first post in this thread you said you're out of your mind and afraid of yourself, those are your words not mine, people who are not currently experiencing mental illness don't say things like that

posted July 16, 2021 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Oh, this has been hard to read. First of all, thank you for taking your time to respond.

Second, I am going to clarify a few things.

First of all, I did not cheat 5000 euros. Where do you get that from? Such a claim requires proof, so get the proof and then indict me, rightly so. But without proof, you just show stupidity.

Second, on the day of my birth, the Moon does not change sign. Therefore, it is Scorpio. Believe me, I would be very happy with a Sagittarius moon, traveling, without stopping still, and ******* with anyone(characteristics of Ssgitario), without any honor or loyalty. It would be a very easy life. But it is not the one that touched me. I'm dealing with massive trauma, always on the brink of death, both physically and mentally, and to top it all I swore allegiance to cats I'd give my life for. Tell me, are those characteristics of S Sagittarius? You know that no. So I'm going through hell, while I have to protect the innocence and the lives of some cats, but I don't care. There are things that are worth it, and this is one of them.

I don't understand the links to my other threads, but honestly the tone in which you write indicates that the one who needs lifelong therapy and occasional incarcerations is you. I do not know, it is not normal to invest so much energy in hating someone on the Internet that you do not know. We are not even in a close relationship. And I am very balanced, thank you. I only get thrown off balance with people who play games with me in some way or another, and I still stay in tight control. Something that cannot be said of the others, who even try to kill me.

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I knew someone with moon in saggy who passed away at 28 and I don't know the cause, I can only hope it was not suicide but he did have a hard life, trauma that never got worked through fully and stayed in touch with family which I feel re-triggered the trauma over and over again, he had cats and adored them, they were his companions. He also had scorpio rising.

My sister has moon in scorpio and is a cancer and has no animals at all, I am the one with the dog boarding business and saggy is my strongest sign but 5th house ruler is venus in leo in the 8th, 6th house ruler is mercury in virgo in the 9th and my northnode falls in the 6th.

posted July 16, 2021 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I knew someone with moon in saggy who passed away at 28 and I don't know the cause, I can only hope it was not suicide but he did have a hard life, trauma that never got worked through fully and stayed in touch with family which I feel re-triggered the trauma over and over again, he had cats and adored them, they were his companions. He also had scorpio rising.

My sister has moon in scorpio and is a cancer and has no animals at all, I am the one with the dog boarding business and saggy is my strongest sign but 5th house ruler is venus in leo in the 8th, 6th house ruler is mercury in virgo in the 9th and my northnode falls in the 6th.

I do believe you have had a hard life and feel stuck and are trying to figure out how to get unstuck. I think you have a good heart and are very smart, a deep thinker and I am rooting for you. I hope you find your way out.

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Famous Sagittarius:

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https://astrologeando.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1-Scarlett-Johansson-300x300.jpg

https://resizer.mujerhoy.com/resizer/resizer.php?imagen=https://static-blogs.mujerhoy.com/horoscopo-para-las-estrellas/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2017/12/miley-cyrus-es-sagitario- horoscopo.jpg&nuevoancho=552&crop=0

https://estaticos.marie-claire.es/uploads/images/gallery/5fbe871d5cafe8e4608c238b/captura-de-pantalla-2020-11-25-a-las-17-50-50.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r-4Ok37pPl4/VECom5JotpI/AAAAAAAAJYU/DrYM_vb6BDE/s1600/3-Ian-Somerhalder_Sagitario.jpg

Etc

Sagittarius is a sign that does not give me any respect. While his brother of Fire, Aries, is an initiator, a warrior, who produces discomfort, but at least has values. And his Fire brother, Leo, is firm, loyal, and charming.... Sagittarius, to be honest, is a sign that is useless. They are supposed to represent wisdom. I have yet to meet a wise Sagittarius. They have no more wisdom than an Aries, and the innocence of the first sign. No more wisdom than a Taurus, and his infinite patience and grounding. No more wisdom than a Gemini (although Gemini is also to feed apart, understandable because it is the opposite of Sagittarius)No more wisdom than a Cancer, Being the soul of the zodiac . No more wisdom than a Leo, being the king of all this, And the spirit of life. Etc.

I think that what differentiates Sagittarius from the rest of the signs is that while the rest of the signs eat **** , they assimilate it and get better. Sagittarius with that that they believe gods, they believe above all, something understandable given their planet Jupiter and Zeus. But do not forget that it is still a mutable sign, and really They have no power. Here the power is for the fixed signs, (The eternal constancy of Taurus, the eternal light of Leo, the survival of Scorpio, and the great ideas of Aquarius)the true creators of everything, and for the cardinals, who try to guide the fixed ones.
No respect for Sagittarius, sorry. Most of the time they seek his misfortunes for themselves.
Still I regret the tragic ending of that guy. But it doesn't surprise me. Typical of Sagittarius, they discover that they are not God and commit suicide.

posted July 16, 2021 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:

No respect for Sagittarius, sorry. Most of the time they seek his misfortunes for themselves.
Still I regret the tragic ending of that guy. But it doesn't surprise me. Typical of Sagittarius, they discover that they are not God and commit suicide.

These are just astrological observations, which coincidentally coincide with my experience with this sign.

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posted July 16, 2021 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Dayum, first plutomenace and now you. I wonder if somethings going on in the sky that's putting Sagittarius under the spotlight like this. Also a couple of days ago I asked a friend about astrology, and he out of the blue just said to me he hates Sagittarius. I pointed out to him he has some sagi in his chart but he didn't change his mind. Poor sagi xD

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south node is hitting sag placements currently

there's things to dislike about every sign, the unhealthy sort of sag she describes does exist and can be problematic but sags can also be a lot of fun 🤷‍♀️

i think i prefer when they have cap in there over scorpio though, used to attract a lot of scorpio energy and over the years i've come to realize it's not my cup of tea

sags can be great as friends and have a good sense of humor in bad situations and can speak the truth in ways that are funny as all hell, but when they have the "always right" complex (which i can't agree with because I'M always right 😉 they can get annoying pretty quick and the self centered entitled flakiness sucks too

not sure where her "no conscience" idea comes into play because that's neither a sag nor a mutable thing but 🤷‍♀️

i don't 100% disagree with all of plutonianmenace's takes on sag (the appearance ones and sun sign based compatibility ones don't hold weight because they ignore synastry and ascendant and subjective preferences) but there is some level of truth to some of the finer points (i find the jealousy **** only comes into play when they have scorpio in their chart though, which is highly likely but still 🤷‍♀️ and it's not directed specifically at other fire signs either)

plutonianmenace though... 🤣 that's next level obsession, would love to see how much pluto or scorpio is emphasized in their chart

posted July 16, 2021 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Dayum, first plutomenace and now you. I wonder if somethings going on in the sky that's putting Sagittarius under the spotlight like this. Also a couple of days ago I asked a friend about astrology, and he out of the blue just said to me he hates Sagittarius. I pointed out to him he has some sagi in his chart but he didn't change his mind. Poor sagi xD

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posted July 16, 2021 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:
i dont understand whats going on here.. i feel a bit triggered. i went through the links mirage posted and i only see a traumatized person who is lost in confusion with issues expressing the pain in a clear way to herself and to outsiders.

as someone whos been through a lot of abuse and trauma i can say for a long time i didnt know who i was.. ive discovered that it was mainly because i didnt validate my own feelings. i would bounce around between feeling powerless and powerful until i learned to validate my own feelings.

without a conscience? what? i dont see how that is a characteristic of sag. i also dont see how any of what she wrote indicates that she is a sag rising or moon though. how she writes doesnt seem like it. i am a sag rising/moon/neptune and i think it just hides my trauma better thats all. appearance-wise i look happy go lucky even in the middle of deep depression or ongoing trauma.

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I agree with alot of what you wrote. I have read alot of whitebirds posts she has made this year & I really don't see a con artist or troll or w/e. Like you said she seems to be in genuine pain, confusion & is probably trying to figure out who she is and how to get out of a less than pleasant situation. As someone who has suffered trauma herself (although nothing like this) you do lose alot of yourself as a result of that abuse. In mycase I suffered severe emotional abuse and neglect that followed me well into adulthood. It isn't an easy road to heal a lifetime of that, especially since it is so hard to imagine something else. You just think that is existence and if you are one of the lucky ones such as myself, you find a way out, back to yourself. Not everyone is that fortunate.

Whitebirds, I think you have a very beautiful chart. Not an easy one. But that is what makes it so beautiful. You can see the intensity. I am a heavy Scorpio. With Pluto conjunct venus & Pallas (ceres is there too although not effected in the rest of the chart)

Scorpio moons I have noticed I can be extremely drawn to them or equally repulsed. Depending how they express it.

My own moon is excruciating in its own right so I kind of have a soft spot for Scorpio moons. (One of my closest frienda & my beloved doggy are Scorpio moons :-P) my maternal grandpa was also and they all carry its intensity very well, its been inspiring in a way) my pitbull I have always been aware of this part of her so ik its something I take into consideration greatly. (Got an exact square with her aqua sun) plus her moon conjuncts my ceres tightly)

But I can understand mirage's suspicions when I saw the FB donation page. It's a natural assumption I think since many times things like this are scams. So I do get that. But the bottom line is no one here knows her situation (or anyone's for that matter) and to make such assumptions on her character based purely on interpretation I do not agree with. No one is being forced to donate money. A little human compassion and understanding, which I see her asking for in all posts. While she has very seldom posted for donations. What is consistent in every post is her cries for help.

I don't agree with the Sagittarius bashing so much though :P although we can be annoying in our own right..sometimes!

posted July 16, 2021 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Dayum, first plutomenace and now you. I wonder if somethings going on in the sky that's putting Sagittarius under the spotlight like this. Also a couple of days ago I asked a friend about astrology, and he out of the blue just said to me he hates Sagittarius. I pointed out to him he has some sagi in his chart but he didn't change his mind. Poor sagi xD

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Psssh haters..they just jealous 😉

posted July 16, 2021 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Dayum, first plutomenace and now you. I wonder if somethings going on in the sky that's putting Sagittarius under the spotlight like this. Also a couple of days ago I asked a friend about astrology, and he out of the blue just said to me he hates Sagittarius. I pointed out to him he has some sagi in his chart but he didn't change his mind. Poor sagi xD

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But seriously, you could be right on that. Maybe the SN in Sag? Chiron in aries or the venus/mars in Leo? Or maybe we are just that irritating to other signs lol. But we got an "I don't give an honest **** " look on life 😜 so our egos don't suffer too much damage.

But it's likely our blunt way of talking. Ik I got issues with that lol.

posted July 16, 2021 04:06 PM            

You could have saggy rising, more prone to ending up in a far away land during childhood IMO.

This is a weird thread, I feel all signs have annoying things about them and things that make them great, its a human thing.

posted July 16, 2021 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WhiteBirds,

You could have saggy rising, more prone to ending up in a far away land during childhood IMO.

This is a weird thread, I feel all signs have annoying things about them and things that make them great, its a human thing.

I am out, I don't feel I have anything more to contribute to this thread that is constructive.

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Yeah I agree.

posted July 16, 2021 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by VeronicaNicole:
I agree with alot of what you wrote. I have read alot of whitebirds posts she has made this year & I really don't see a con artist or troll or w/e. Like you said she seems to be in genuine pain, confusion & is probably trying to figure out who she is and how to get out of a less than pleasant situation. As someone who has suffered trauma herself (although nothing like this) you do lose alot of yourself as a result of that abuse. In mycase I suffered severe emotional abuse and neglect that followed me well into adulthood. It isn't an easy road to heal a lifetime of that, especially since it is so hard to imagine something else. You just think that is existence and if you are one of the lucky ones such as myself, you find a way out, back to yourself. Not everyone is that fortunate.

Whitebirds, I think you have a very beautiful chart. Not an easy one. But that is what makes it so beautiful. You can see the intensity. I am a heavy Scorpio. With Pluto conjunct venus & Pallas (ceres is there too although not effected in the rest of the chart)

Scorpio moons I have noticed I can be extremely drawn to them or equally repulsed. Depending how they express it.

My own moon is excruciating in its own right so I kind of have a soft spot for Scorpio moons. (One of my closest frienda & my beloved doggy are Scorpio moons :-P) my maternal grandpa was also and they all carry its intensity very well, its been inspiring in a way) my pitbull I have always been aware of this part of her so ik its something I take into consideration greatly. (Got an exact square with her aqua sun) plus her moon conjuncts my ceres tightly)

But I can understand mirage's suspicions when I saw the FB donation page. It's a natural assumption I think since many times things like this are scams. So I do get that. But the bottom line is no one here knows her situation (or anyone's for that matter) and to make such assumptions on her character based purely on interpretation I do not agree with. No one is being forced to donate money. A little human compassion and understanding, which I see her asking for in all posts. While she has very seldom posted for donations. What is consistent in every post is her cries for help.

I don't agree with the Sagittarius bashing so much though :P although we can be annoying in our own right..sometimes!

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Thanks for your understanding. I have decided to tell the whole story.
Because I honestly need to vent. I am under a lot of stress. Someone tried to kill me recently. Although they have been trying to kill me all my life.

I can affirm, without fear of being wrong, that what I have experienced is something demonic. There is nothing normal, nor natural, in anything that has happened.
I also claim that I have been sold as a sacrifice to a bunch of demons.

Start.

I lived peacefully in my country, with my brother, my friends, and my caregivers. Everybody adored me.
There was a man who came to visit me, I think he was my father.
I have a memory where we were watching a play, and I was hugging playing with his watch. I had to have a lot of trust with him, that's why I intuit that he was my father.

My whole life was great. I loved the orphanage.
One day they told me that I was going to go with two gentlemen. I didn't take it seriously, but it was very real. Suddenly, I went from being in my house to being in a car with two strangers. The man seemed friendly, the woman did not.

I remember falling asleep in a hotel. Then I remember an airplane.
Then their house. Then hell.

I soon realized that this was a life and death struggle. I fought first, but it didn't help, they wouldn't leave me alone. Then I tried to run away. I wanted to hide somewhere where they would never find me until I was of legal age ... Clearly it didn't work out. Then I took the only way out: freezing. I spent day and night sleeping in a room with my predators outside. So for most of my life. Have I been sleeping 10 years? Easily.

The woman was obsessed with dressing me. I soon realized that she wanted a doll to show off. You know, like who shows off the new car that she has bought. That was me to her. I remember that every night I went to bed thinking where the hell was my brother, and why was I with these monsters devouring me.

Then I will continue. I have things to do now.

posted July 16, 2021 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:

Thanks for your understanding. I have decided to tell the whole story.
Because I honestly need to vent. I am under a lot of stress. Someone tried to kill me recently. Although they have been trying to kill me all my life.

I can affirm, without fear of being wrong, that what I have experienced is something demonic. There is nothing normal, nor natural, in anything that has happened.
I also claim that I have been sold as a sacrifice to a bunch of demons.

Start.

I lived peacefully in my country, with my brother, my friends, and my caregivers. Everybody adored me.
There was a man who came to visit me, I think he was my father.
I have a memory where we were watching a play, and I was hugging playing with his watch. I had to have a lot of trust with him, that's why I intuit that he was my father.

My whole life was great. I loved the orphanage.
One day they told me that I was going to go with two gentlemen. I didn't take it seriously, but it was very real. Suddenly, I went from being in my house to being in a car with two strangers. The man seemed friendly, the woman did not.

I remember falling asleep in a hotel. Then I remember an airplane.
Then their house. Then hell.

I soon realized that this was a life and death struggle. I fought first, but it didn't help, they wouldn't leave me alone. Then I tried to run away. I wanted to hide somewhere where they would never find me until I was of legal age ... Clearly it didn't work out. Then I took the only way out: freezing. I spent day and night sleeping in a room with my predators outside. So for most of my life. Have I been sleeping 10 years? Easily.

The woman was obsessed with dressing me. I soon realized that she wanted a doll to show off. You know, like who shows off the new car that she has bought. That was me to her. I remember that every night I went to bed thinking where the hell was my brother, and why was I with these monsters devouring me.

Then I will continue. I have things to do now.

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posted July 17, 2021 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
tried to kill you how? did you report this?

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That's right, Dumuzi. That man who adopted me tried to kill me.
Out of nowhere, and out of the blue, he hit me in the heart. With all the strength of him, and all the desire of him. This man is Aquarius, Scorpio Ascendant and Capricorn Mars, so you can already imagine what What was that. The sudden fury of Aquarius along with Capricorn on Mars. And I am Cancer with Mars in Virgo, and above all a woman, so you can see the injustice.
Then, together with his wife, they played a psychopathic game and turned the situation against me. They denounced me saying that it was I who had hit them. At least I have a recording where that son Satan claims to have hit me, and a report of injuries.
I have not reported and I will not. Honestly, I just want to run away from them and denounce them would be worse because it would keep going around the same thing, and still be tied to those cavemen.

The reasons why he hit me is because he knows what garbage he is. He knows that he is a pedophile (Aquarius, as a sign of psychopaths and mentally ill patients, is also the sign that stands out the most in pedophile). He knows the dark desires he had for a poor girl he kidnapped.
He knows the atrocities and the mind games he has played with a helpless and frightened creature. Along with the complicity of his wife.
He knows that his sterile wife was jealous of fertile meat in her own home. And he knows how she tried to tear me apart in every way imaginable.

posted July 17, 2021 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
That's right, Dumuzi. That man who adopted me tried to kill me.
Out of nowhere, and out of the blue, he hit me in the heart. With all the strength of him, and all the desire of him. This man is Aquarius, Scorpio Ascendant and Capricorn Mars, so you can already imagine what What was that. The sudden fury of Aquarius along with Capricorn on Mars. And I am Cancer with Mars in Virgo, and above all a woman, so you can see the injustice.
Then, together with his wife, they played a psychopathic game and turned the situation against me. They denounced me saying that it was I who had hit them. At least I have a recording where that son Satan claims to have hit me, and a report of injuries.
I have not reported and I will not. Honestly, I just want to run away from them and denounce them would be worse because it would keep going around the same thing, and still be tied to those cavemen.

The reasons why he hit me is because he knows what garbage he is. He knows that he is a pedophile (Aquarius, as a sign of psychopaths and mentally ill patients, is also the sign that stands out the most in pedophile). He knows the dark desires he had for a poor girl he kidnapped.
He knows the atrocities and the mind games he has played with a helpless and frightened creature. Along with the complicity of his wife.
He knows that his sterile wife was jealous of fertile meat in her own home. And he knows how she tried to tear me apart in every way imaginable.

It's gross and disgusting. I suppose he wanted to kill me so as not to see the devil he is before his very eyes.

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that sort of thing isn't particularly shocking just wanted to know what happened, why didn't you call the cops? seems like if it's that bad it'd be worth doing no?

i have a capricorn mars so not really sure what you're talking about there, it takes a lot to get me angry (can take years) and i'm not particularly aggressive aside from that

it's usually too much of a hassle to fight and even if i am arguing with someone i'm open to changing the subject or doing something fun instead if i know they're going to be in my life longterm regardless and if they're not then 🤷‍♀️ i just can't be bothered to give a **** unless there's some fun in it for me

but it's all verbal noise

you really should stop saying kidnapped, them taking you wasn't illegal, you were legally handed over and calling it otherwise is rather pointless

anyway people can be your biological parents and still be abusive **** happens, people go through things, it's not unique to your situation and adoption isn't kidnapping

it's unfortunate you've grown up in an abusive situation and unfortunate that you remain in it, but the reason why i asked what you meant about trying to kill you is i was unsure if that was on par with "kidnapping" or an actual attempt

posted July 17, 2021 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
that sort of thing isn't particularly shocking just wanted to know what happened, why didn't you call the cops? seems like if it's that bad it'd be worth doing no?

i have a capricorn mars so not really sure what you're talking about there, it takes a lot to get me angry (can take years) and i'm not particularly aggressive aside from that

it's usually too much of a hassle to fight and even if i am arguing with someone i'm open to changing the subject or doing something fun instead if i know they're going to be in my life longterm regardless and if they're not then 🤷‍♀️ i just can't be bothered to give a **** unless there's some fun in it for me

but it's all verbal noise

you really should stop saying kidnapped, them taking you wasn't illegal, you were legally handed over and calling it otherwise is rather pointless

anyway people can be your biological parents and still be abusive **** happens, people go through things, it's not unique to your situation and adoption isn't kidnapping

it's unfortunate you've grown up in an abusive situation and unfortunate that you remain in it, but the reason why i asked what you meant about trying to kill you is i was unsure if that was on par with "kidnapping" or an actual attempt

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posted July 17, 2021 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
It won't be shocking to you. I would like to see you kidnapped since childhood, fulfilling the pedophile fantasies of two adults who are delirious that you are their son. Totally alienated. In the midst of very sick people (no one who buys someone else's child and makes it their own is healthy).
You non-adopted have no idea what that is. That suddenly your life is no longer yours, and you are only an object to please in everything those who have bought you.
I'm not going to stop calling this kidnapping. Because it's a damn kidnapping. I didn't give my ******* consent. And I'm not just going to call it kidnapping. It is an abduction in the physical world, but it goes beyond all abduction spiritually speaking. We talk about it going against God's creation. Some mental patients try to seize the creation formed by another man and another woman, and try to pass it off as their own. As if that creation was their daughter This is against God. It must be abolished.

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i was abused by my biological parents and other people throughout my life, i've been raped and beaten and had someone try to kill me and all kinds of **** 🤷‍♀️ it's not like the things you express are foreign to me for the most part

you didn't need to give your consent you were put up for adoption, your biological parents chose to give you to a place where you could be adopted and through legal means you were taken to that place

consent isn't about the child in this instance, not legally, but kidnapping would imply your parents and proper authorities were not involved in your adoptive parents acquiring you

pedophilia is purely sexual, pedophilia is not just people adopting a child and raising them

again i'm sorry you were abused but these things happen and are not unique to you

what do you suppose should be done with children when their parents don't want them then? they should have no hope of having people take them in and care for them because you personally had a bad experience? it's wrong for everyone in every circumstance to care for a child just because they didn't have it? should kids who aren't raised by their biological parents be culled or aborted in your view? this is all nonsensical, there are people who are grateful to have been adopted who were lucky to have been, you're taking your bad experience and making it out to be reflective of a whole and that's just not how **** works

it'd be like me saying no one should have kids at all because my biological parents were abusive, see why that's ******* stupid?

also i'm a woman so it'd be weird for someone to take me and raise me as their son dont you think?

someone taking a child in and raising them because they want a family and the kid needs a family isn't sick or terrible, abusers are terrible but plenty of adoptive families aren't that

posted July 17, 2021 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i was abused by my biological parents and other people throughout my life, i've been raped and beaten and had someone try to kill me and all kinds of **** 🤷‍♀️ it's not like the things you express are foreign to me for the most part

you didn't need to give your consent you were put up for adoption, your biological parents chose to give you to a place where you could be adopted and through legal means you were taken to that place

consent isn't about the child in this instance, not legally, but kidnapping would imply your parents and proper authorities were not involved in your adoptive parents acquiring you

pedophilia is purely sexual, pedophilia is not just people adopting a child and raising them

again i'm sorry you were abused but these things happen and are not unique to you

what do you suppose should be done with children when their parents don't want them then? they should have no hope of having people take them in and care for them because you personally had a bad experience? it's wrong for everyone in every circumstance to care for a child just because they didn't have it? should kids who aren't raised by their biological parents be culled or aborted in your view? this is all nonsensical, there are people who are grateful to have been adopted who were lucky to have been, you're taking your bad experience and making it out to be reflective of a whole and that's just not how **** works

it'd be like me saying no one should have kids at all because my biological parents were abusive, see why that's ******* stupid?

also i'm a woman so it'd be weird for someone to take me and raise me as their son dont you think?

someone taking a child in and raising them because they want a family and the kid needs a family isn't sick or terrible, abusers are terrible but plenty of adoptive families aren't that

you're pretty blind and self absorbed

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You have no idea what you're talking about. And it is obvious that you are completely unaware of the workings of the universe and our mission on Earth.
All the non-adopted have the same argument, that if you abuse in your families blah blah blah.

Let's see if you find out. I absolutely do not care about the abuses that occurred in your family of origin. It is your genetics, and your family karma. It's your life.

When you are kidnapped under adoption to be the son and property of two strangers. Your life is totally paused and canceled. In the midst of that world of crazy people and two adults who rave that a child Stranger is his son. Suddenly you have a genetics belonging to your family. A mind manipulated so that you believe that two strangers are your parents, and in the middle of all that your soul is lost. And the result is that you are a macabre experiment. .

I don't know what you think life is, but it is totally inhumane to forbid a child to give his parents a hug and grow up with his family, in exchange for being the toy of the sterile people who have bought him

Its inhuman. It touches the limit of madness. Instead of taking care of the mental health of adults, Russian roulette is played with innocent children.

It is also obvious that if you do not consider this pedophilia, you have a serious problem.
Being a son is something extremely intimate and sexual. Come on, as sexual as a child is formed through sex. Pretending for two strangers to arrive and pose as father and mother is aberrant, and a pedophile. They are violating the basic core of your being. The intimacy of creation.