posted July 17, 2021 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
You have no idea what you're talking about. And it is obvious that you are completely unaware of the workings of the universe and our mission on Earth.
All the non-adopted have the same argument, that if you abuse in your families blah blah blah.

Let's see if you find out. I absolutely do not care about the abuses that occurred in your family of origin. It is your genetics, and your family karma. It's your life.

When you are kidnapped under adoption to be the son and property of two strangers. Your life is totally paused and canceled. In the midst of that world of crazy people and two adults who rave that a child Stranger is his son. Suddenly you have a genetics belonging to your family. A mind manipulated so that you believe that two strangers are your parents, and in the middle of all that your soul is lost. And the result is that you are a macabre experiment. .

I don't know what you think life is, but it is totally inhumane to forbid a child to give his parents a hug and grow up with his family, in exchange for being the toy of the sterile people who have bought him

Its inhuman. It touches the limit of madness. Instead of taking care of the mental health of adults, Russian roulette is played with innocent children.

It is also obvious that if you do not consider this pedophilia, you have a serious problem.
Being a son is something extremely intimate and sexual. Come on, as sexual as a child is formed through sex. Pretending for two strangers to arrive and pose as father and mother is aberrant, and a pedophile. They are violating the basic core of your being. The intimacy of creation.

But you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and this discussion is useless.

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i'm not completely unaware, but you seem to be if you think it's possible to pervert these things to such a degree 🤷‍♀️

have you ever considered it's your own karma to have ended up in such a situation? part of your family karma that your parents had children that they didn't raise, part of your own to be adopted, part of theirs to have adopted you? these things can be seen in charts and divined etc and so on because they're just part of life

you can't see that abuse is abuse regardless of who is doing it? you seem to lack empathy but you expect a good deal from others about your own issues

it's good though that you're showing that here i suppose since you've also tried to get money out of people here

i can feel for you for having been abused in spite of me thinking you seem like an awful, self absorbed, manipulative person so it's interesting to me that you can't grasp what it is to comprehend another person's suffering because your own needs to outweigh it

or that you think certain circumstances make it fine for abuse to occur (other than your own of course)

once again i'm a woman, but aside from that we're done here, i'm losing sympathy for you by the minute and i'd rather not hit absolute 0

edit: yes sex has to happen in order for people to reproduce but no raising a child isn't sexual, it isn't pedophilia unless the child is being sexualized and assaulted etc

the simple act of 2 people raising an adopted child is not in and of itself pedophilia and you're very twisted if you wish to equate the 2

sexual attraction to children is what pedophilia is, it starts there and can end at sexual abuse

posted July 17, 2021 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm not completely unaware, but you seem to be if you think it's possible to pervert these things to such a degree 🤷‍♀️

have you ever considered it's your own karma to have ended up in such a situation? part of your family karma that your parents had children that they didn't raise, part of your own to be adopted, part of theirs to have adopted you? these things can be seen in charts and divined etc and so on because they're just part of life

you can't see that abuse is abuse regardless of who is doing it? you seem to lack empathy but you expect a good deal from others about your own issues

it's good though that you're showing that here i suppose since you've also tried to get money out of people here

i can feel for you for having been abused in spite of me thinking you seem like an awful, self absorbed, manipulative person so it's interesting to me that you can't grasp what it is to comprehend another person's suffering because your own needs to outweigh it

or that you think certain circumstances make it fine for abuse to occur (other than your own of course)

once again i'm a woman, but aside from that we're done here, i'm losing sympathy for you by the minute and i'd rather not hit absolute 0

edit: yes sex has to happen in order for people to reproduce but no raising a child isn't sexual, it isn't pedophilia unless the child is being sexualized and assaulted etc

the simple act of 2 people raising an adopted child is not in and of itself pedophilia and you're very twisted if you wish to equate the 2

sexual attraction to children is what pedophilia is, it starts there and can end at sexual abuse

raising a child isn't sexual in the least

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I don't know if it's my karma or not. I am doing what I can with this crazy situation that I have eaten against my will. I am only warning of the madness that is being done with innocent children, so that you stop justifying it. It is a kidnapping of children. Abuse of power. And pedophilia. You are leaving unprotected children without their blood tribes. And human beings are made to live with our tribes. When you understand the gravity of this, then I will empathize with your Stories. And being abused by your parents is not the same as being abused by your owners. It is something very different.

posted July 17, 2021 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I don't know if it's my karma or not. I am doing what I can with this crazy situation that I have eaten against my will. I am only warning of the madness that is being done with innocent children, so that you stop justifying it. It is a kidnapping of children. Abuse of power. And pedophilia. You are leaving unprotected children without their blood tribes. And human beings are made to live with our tribes. When you understand the gravity of this, then I will empathize with your Stories. And being abused by your parents is not the same as being abused by your owners. It is something very different.

It seems that you still do not know. Adoption is not about caring for a child. It is about some sterile people who want to be parents of a foreign child. They adopt to have power over a foreign child who does not It belongs. You can take care of a child without brainwashing him that you are his father. If you buy a boy to be his father, that is pedophilia. Since being a father and mother is something sexual.

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this is for real the last time i respond to you:

anything that happens to a child that's abusive is against their will, adults can be in situations that go against their will

this isn't unique to you, it's just a reality

i'm not going to condemn an entire system when people who are adopted can have good experiences, do have them in fact

you didn't and that sucks, but that's just **** being bad, if it was your own family hurting you that'd be ****** and against your will too

abuse is abuse and trauma is trauma at the end of the day and children are at the mercy of the adults who they're surrounded by no matter who those adults are to them, if they're unfortunate enough for those adults to be bad people then they'll be in a bad situation

blood is not a factor here

people put their kids up for adoption willingly, unless you were part of some underground child trafficking ring all of this was done with the consent of your "blood tribe" (blood is really not very relevant ultimately, it just isnt) and legally

the thing is what are the other options? children need homes and a system exists to try to give them homes, sometimes it doesn't work out other times it does nothing can be perfect

should you have been an abortion instead? when your blood tribe decided to not raise you and your brother should they have just taken you both out back and shot you like rabid dogs? use a bit of common sense here

what happened to you was unfortunate but it isn't the universal experience of people who are adopted

being a parent isn't sexual, there's nothing sexual that's going on between a parent and their child unless abuse is going on

being a parent doesnt at all involve sexual acts with children, that's not how **** works

jesus if you think ******* your kids is just standard i hope you never have any 🤣

also i don't need your empathy and empathy isn't something transaction based, i can feel for you even though i don't like the way you come off or have spoken to me etc

i don't need anything from you in order for me to feel for you that you've been traumatized just like i didn't need anything from you to speak to you in the first place

you thinking that shows something is wrong with your empathy capabilities and that nothing from you would be sincere

posted July 17, 2021 02:35 PM            

you're just some woman i don't even know 🤷‍♀️ it's weird

i'm not going to say a system that does benefit some people is all bad because you had a bad experience just so you can pretend to care that i've also had bad experiences (that apparently can't mean much of anything and can only be relevant if i appease you by agreeing with you)

posted July 17, 2021 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
this is for real the last time i respond to you:

anything that happens to a child that's abusive is against their will, adults can be in situations that go against their will

this isn't unique to you, it's just a reality

i'm not going to condemn an entire system when people who are adopted can have good experiences, do have them in fact

you didn't and that sucks, but that's just **** being bad, if it was your own family hurting you that'd be ****** and against your will too

abuse is abuse and trauma is trauma at the end of the day and children are at the mercy of the adults who they're surrounded by no matter who those adults are to them, if they're unfortunate enough for those adults to be bad people then they'll be in a bad situation

blood is not a factor here

people put their kids up for adoption willingly, unless you were part of some underground child trafficking ring all of this was done with the consent of your "blood tribe" (blood is really not very relevant ultimately, it just isnt) and legally

the thing is what are the other options? children need homes and a system exists to try to give them homes, sometimes it doesn't work out other times it does nothing can be perfect

should you have been an abortion instead? when your blood tribe decided to not raise you and your brother should they have just taken you both out back and shot you like rabid dogs? use a bit of common sense here

what happened to you was unfortunate but it isn't the universal experience of people who are adopted

being a parent isn't sexual, there's nothing sexual that's going on between a parent and their child unless abuse is going on

being a parent doesnt at all involve sexual acts with children, that's not how **** works

jesus if you think ******* your kids is just standard i hope you never have any 🤣

also i don't need your empathy and empathy isn't something transaction based, i can feel for you even though i don't like the way you come off or have spoken to me etc

i don't need anything from you in order for me to feel for you that you've been traumatized just like i didn't need anything from you to speak to you in the first place

you thinking that shows something is wrong with your empathy capabilities and that nothing from you would be sincere

anyway i wasn't telling you things so that you would feel empathy or pity or whatever for me, but only because you make it seem like i'm incapable of understanding what being abused is like when that couldn't be further from the truth

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It is against life to manipulate someone's destiny. And adoption is a manipulation, not only of destiny, but of the basic and central identity of a human being. Do you think it is legitimate to change the identity of a person? I was born with some surnames, now I have others. Those of my owners. It is humiliating. This is not something that is lived "against the will". This is a murder of a person. If he does not die physically (do you know that adoptees commit suicide 4 times more than non-adoptees?), will die. Soul. All the adoptees are programmed to think 24 hours about our owners,
Sorry, foster parents. This is reminiscent of a macabre MK Ultra experiment, right? We are not free and we never will be. Our brains were programmed for slavery and worship of our owners.

"You are not going to condemn an ​​entire system" Well. Not that you were someone. You are so extremely stupid that you dare to talk about a subject that you do not know and stick your nose to judge someone who has lived Something that you don't. And not only that, you despise the opinion of someone who is clearly telling you what the business of selling children is from whom you can buy them.

"People voluntarily put their children up for adoption" hahahaha. There are fathers and mothers who have committed suicide when they found out that their child has been adopted. Is it funny?

"What are other options?" Girl, I'm telling you. Any option that is truly based on the child's welfare. That is, no selling children to mentally ill adults who want to play To be parents. The options must be care and protection of children, without requiring them to act as children and fulfill the pedophile fantasies of two strangers. And obviously, nothing to change the identity. And of course, when the parents recover, that child is back to them. Meat with his meat.

I don't know if they had to shoot us like mad dogs, but I would have preferred to die than go through all the torture of adoption. I wish they had killed me.

Being a father is not only sexual. IT IS VERY SEXUAL. You confuse sexuality with sexual abuse. Being a father is exclusively sexual. It is what differentiates a father. The formation of that child through sex . A child needs his naked parents, that is sexual, but it is not sexual abuse.

It continues to justify the trafficking of children. Hopefully you never have to go through something like that. There you would understand what it is to be married against your will, with whom he could buy you.

posted July 17, 2021 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Dayum, first plutomenace and now you. I wonder if somethings going on in the sky that's putting Sagittarius under the spotlight like this. Also a couple of days ago I asked a friend about astrology, and he out of the blue just said to me he hates Sagittarius. I pointed out to him he has some sagi in his chart but he didn't change his mind. Poor sagi xD

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The South Node is in Sagg right now,

and Jupiter is squaring the south node...

posted July 17, 2021 09:59 PM            

But I do know that some things cannot be fixed through astrology and people need to do inner work, and shadow work and therapeutic work if they want to get rid of their inner demons.

posted July 25, 2021 05:41 AM            

My husband is a Sag Moon and the Moon doesn't feel comfortable telling something tragic like what OP revealed in a long and detail story, either they run from it or hide it very well, coming out like it's a usual feeling everyone has and face the world like nothing bad happens in their life.

Cancer sun Scorpio moon is usually a super intense individual, add the Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, a massive extreme. No wonder you said, "a mess in a relationship or they are running away from me", it's not just coming from your venus/pluto opposition. I think you should find someone who can handle your intensity or at least match your energy to avoid a tendency pushing your own opinion on others in a defensive way about a certain way you believe in, feel attacked later, then overwhelming situation keeps continuing.

My friend who has that Sun/Moon combo is married to Taurus sun, but I don't really know how's their relationship dynamic really well. My sister who has Moon/Pluto conjunction is married to Taurus sun and they have manage the marriage for 16 years probably more. I think because of the stubborness of Taurus, they keep staying like a stone so you don't have to feel neglected because that is what you fear the most which also means being powerless. Moon in Scorpio hates losing power over situation or someone.

The need to control someone and situation is a very strong urge, once you feel being dumped by someone, being rejected/neglected, you feel you loose your power and start looking back to the past and blame it because you like going into deeper things finding the source of what may cause you like this mess up person/life or simply you are drown into your own darkness (typical Pluto/Moon I've known if they have no good guidance since little) making you are like someone who needs help while the fact is no one can understand your emotions than your own self. Only you can safe your own self and it takes time and you need some support system for awhile.

I think the power of Moon/Pluto conjunction is about manipulating your own self emotions not others, I repeat, not other people, it will backfire if you try to manipulate the emotion of others because you know how to do it perfectly and you have already map it out before so people have a hard time to catch. Once you get caught, you know how to disappear in a right time leaving no trash no answer. It doesn't mean you do this often, but you have a tendency to do it if there's a chance. This is a strategic Moon you know, one of your power too and the choice is in your hand, whether you use it for good or bad, whether you use it to your own self to fight the tendency of dark Moon or to other people to your own advantage.

I've met a lot of Scorpio moon at work and they are a little bit selfish and cunning to get the power they think they should need and want, they usually work in silence destroying the people they need to get rid of for power over situation or people (physchologically, sometimes through spreading suspicion or act sweet/kind to get more information), and they rarely get caught as they are good at picking up people or disappear at the right time.

While in fact the real power/strength lays in controlling your own self. Paired with Pluto, it is very hard to control your own emotions like what you have said, so you often choose to keep controlling the situation and the people because it's way more easy as you thought you can read people and situation better, yes you are, but there will always 1% of misread/misjudgement in everything because you aren't someone who is in other people's life since they are born.

I think you need to stop looking at the past, take only the good lessons with you. It's okay to reminiscing the past but don't try to blame it for your temporary unfortune situation or behavior you feel at the recent time, it makes you act like playing the victim. Take your time to go to the deeper inside of your own self to fix it, not digging your target of blame, as you won't fully understand it than your own self.

posted July 25, 2021 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
I think OP is a Scorpio Moon. I know someone who has Cancer sun and Scorpio Moon, she said the same thing as the OP said, "I always change myself to suit other's personality". I've seen it as a "defense mechanism" based on fears they admit it or not. It's different to Gemini's changeable nature which we can call it as an "adaptation".

My husband is a Sag Moon and the Moon doesn't feel comfortable telling something tragic like what OP revealed in a long and detail story, either they run from it or hide it very well, coming out like it's a usual feeling everyone has and face the world like nothing bad happens in their life.

Cancer sun Scorpio moon is usually a super intense individual, add the Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, a massive extreme. No wonder you said, "a mess in a relationship or they are running away from me", it's not just coming from your venus/pluto opposition. I think you should find someone who can handle your intensity or at least match your energy to avoid a tendency pushing your own opinion on others in a defensive way about a certain way you believe in, feel attacked later, then overwhelming situation keeps continuing.

My friend who has that Sun/Moon combo is married to Taurus sun, but I don't really know how's their relationship dynamic really well. My sister who has Moon/Pluto conjunction is married to Taurus sun and they have manage the marriage for 16 years probably more. I think because of the stubborness of Taurus, they keep staying like a stone so you don't have to feel neglected because that is what you fear the most which also means being powerless. Moon in Scorpio hates losing power over situation or someone.

The need to control someone and situation is a very strong urge, once you feel being dumped by someone, being rejected/neglected, you feel you loose your power and start looking back to the past and blame it because you like going into deeper things finding the source of what may cause you like this mess up person/life or simply you are drown into your own darkness (typical Pluto/Moon I've known if they have no good guidance since little) making you are like someone who needs help while the fact is no one can understand your emotions than your own self. Only you can safe your own self and it takes time and you need some support system for awhile.

I think the power of Moon/Pluto conjunction is about manipulating your own self emotions not others, I repeat, not other people, it will backfire if you try to manipulate the emotion of others because you know how to do it perfectly and you have already map it out before so people have a hard time to catch. Once you get caught, you know how to disappear in a right time leaving no trash no answer. It doesn't mean you do this often, but you have a tendency to do it if there's a chance. This is a strategic Moon you know, one of your power too and the choice is in your hand, whether you use it for good or bad, whether you use it to your own self to fight the tendency of dark Moon or to other people to your own advantage.

I've met a lot of Scorpio moon at work and they are a little bit selfish and cunning to get the power they think they should need and want, they usually work in silence destroying the people they need to get rid of for power over situation or people (physchologically, sometimes through spreading suspicion or act sweet/kind to get more information), and they rarely get caught as they are good at picking up people or disappear at the right time.

While in fact the real power/strength lays in controlling your own self. Paired with Pluto, it is very hard to control your own emotions like what you have said, so you often choose to keep controlling the situation and the people because it's way more easy as you thought you can read people and situation better, yes you are, but there will always 1% of misread/misjudgement in everything because you aren't someone who is in other people's life since they are born.

I think you need to stop looking at the past, take only the good lessons with you. It's okay to reminiscing the past but don't try to blame it for your temporary unfortune situation or behavior you feel at the recent time, it makes you act like playing the victim. Take your time to go to the deeper inside of your own self to fix it, not digging your target of blame, as you won't fully understand it than your own self.

My daughter has Moon/Pluto Opposition and that is why I keep my best to keep her feel loved and teach her later to tame it.

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Thank you very much for your answer

From everything you've said, I just don't agree that I've never wanted to manipulate anyone (maybe my cheerful Leo Ascendant?).

The only thing I've always wanted is to make those I care about happy (again, maybe my Leo Ascendant?). I value honesty above all else, and I try to give what I value. I can't stand any kind of manipulation. But I always meet manipulative people 😅

What if. The power of this Moon is in being able to change or transform our own feelings or emotions, not those of others. Although it is a very difficult moon to have and the impulse of self-destruction or death is always there. Usually it is Taurus who gets us out of it. And also Libra, I realized.

Each Scorpio Moon is unique, but I think we all have one thing in common: Trauma. Our goal is to rise above any trauma, and reach a state of simplicity ... Our goal is to become a Taurus, while retaining our power.

Thank you very much for your answer. It was very nice to read you.

posted July 26, 2021 06:01 PM            

The only thing I've always wanted is to make those I care about happy (again, maybe my Leo Ascendant?). I value honesty above all else, and I try to give what I value. I can't stand any kind of manipulation. But I always meet manipulative people."

The exact same thing I heard from my Moon/Pluto conjunction sister.

I don't know if it is because they don't realize what they are doing (since they are too focus on "dissecting people" than doing it to themselves) or it comes naturally to them to the point they don't think they have planned it like a bad people or maybe the worst part they try to hide the truth because of, again, fears?

Only Moon in Scorpio or Moon/Pluto can answer it. But some people can tell and see that you have done it before in a smooth perfect way.

Remember, what usually Scorpio influence or Moon/Pluto (usually conjunction) people say, "I can read people".

"What if. The power of this Moon is in being able to change or transform our own feelings or emotions, not those of others. Although it is a very difficult moon to have and the impulse of self-destruction or death is always there. Usually it is Taurus who gets us out of it. And also Libra, I realized."

Yes, it is actually better to change and transform yourself than push it to the others. It doesn't mean you change yourself to be someone else or you act differently than who you really are. You will end up crushing your own self in a series of mental breakdown. Which a lot of Scorpio moon I know they try to manipulate themselves by creating another person in them and hide their true self of emotions because they have a hard time to control it and fear it because they want to believe that they are good and hardworking people.

Since your moon is in Scorpio, the debilitated moon, which means, having dark emotions is your everyday routine and kind of a default nature of your moon, the influence Pluto doubles it, makes you a very stubborn, emotionally fanatic, ego based person, it won't be an easy route.

I think the beginning step is to change your tendency about other people to work within then step by step you will be transformed.

"Each Scorpio Moon is unique, but I think we all have one thing in common: Trauma. Our goal is to rise above any trauma, and reach a state of simplicity ... Our goal is to become a Taurus, while retaining our power."

Plutonian is usually having a lot of trauma than Scorpio moon itself since a lot of time it's just an intense feelings they feel because it's very very easy to see and keep the bad than the good.

posted July 27, 2021 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
"From everything you've said, I just don't agree that I've never wanted to manipulate anyone (maybe my cheerful Leo Ascendant?).

The only thing I've always wanted is to make those I care about happy (again, maybe my Leo Ascendant?). I value honesty above all else, and I try to give what I value. I can't stand any kind of manipulation. But I always meet manipulative people."

The exact same thing I heard from my Moon/Pluto conjunction sister.

I don't know if it is because they don't realize what they are doing (since they are too focus on "dissecting people" than doing it to themselves) or it comes naturally to them to the point they don't think they have planned it like a bad people or maybe the worst part they try to hide the truth because of, again, fears?

Only Moon in Scorpio or Moon/Pluto can answer it. But some people can tell and see that you have done it before in a smooth perfect way.

Remember, what usually Scorpio influence or Moon/Pluto (usually conjunction) people say, "I can read people".

"What if. The power of this Moon is in being able to change or transform our own feelings or emotions, not those of others. Although it is a very difficult moon to have and the impulse of self-destruction or death is always there. Usually it is Taurus who gets us out of it. And also Libra, I realized."

Yes, it is actually better to change and transform yourself than push it to the others. It doesn't mean you change yourself to be someone else or you act differently than who you really are. You will end up crushing your own self in a series of mental breakdown. Which a lot of Scorpio moon I know they try to manipulate themselves by creating another person in them and hide their true self of emotions because they have a hard time to control it and fear it because they want to believe that they are good and hardworking people.

Since your moon is in Scorpio, the debilitated moon, which means, having dark emotions is your everyday routine and kind of a default nature of your moon, the influence Pluto doubles it, makes you a very stubborn, emotionally fanatic, ego based person, it won't be an easy route.

I think the beginning step is to change your tendency about other people to work within then step by step you will be transformed.

"Each Scorpio Moon is unique, but I think we all have one thing in common: Trauma. Our goal is to rise above any trauma, and reach a state of simplicity ... Our goal is to become a Taurus, while retaining our power."

Plutonian is usually having a lot of trauma than Scorpio moon itself since a lot of time it's just an intense feelings they feel because it's very very easy to see and keep the bad than the good.

What I've learned about Taurus is they are generally a simple person. The opposite of a complex Scorpio. So, you can take a lesson from them: don't ask too much, don't need to much. That's why I like to call them, like a stone. A compliment to Taurus people though.

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Oh yeah, you've got to the bottom of it.
It's hard for a Scorpio Moon not to fall into the trap of literally becoming someone else. I have done it several times and it has never been a good idea. But sometimes there is no other option.

Taurus is simple, but he is not stupid. In fact, there is nothing smarter than being simple and needing little.
Taurus is a rock ... OMG I thank every Taurus that is in my life. I am aware that if I want to stay alive I must begin to adopt the principles of Taurus.