posted July 29, 2021 05:00 AM            

However, I do not fit any of the Leo qualities (except maybe pride..slightly..)

I'm extremely quiet, introverted, social interaction drains me, ... anyway, I basically don't relate to Leo rising.

My birth time because it's definitely correct. Also, it's smack bang in the middle of the 1st house, so it's not like there's any potential of other signs creeping in there.

I've been looking at aspects and I have squares between my rising and my moon, mercuy and mars, so maybe that means that I have difficulty expressing myself or appearing on the outside how I am on the inside?

Does anybody else seriously not resonate with their rising sign?

posted July 29, 2021 06:55 AM            

Leo Asc suggests that you are "realizing" your "personality/identity" on an adhoc basis.Its kinda like you are "discovering" who you really are.

With Asc in Leo, I have noted that the Father/Male Authority figure or Mentor etc. Plays a significant role in shaping the individuals identity/life in some way.

Sometime it can happen that the Father may not be there? That the native may fill up that space with other Father figures?

Leo is ruled by the Sun,the Father as the authority figure/male mentor,may play a huge role of influence in the unfolding of the native's life. Either through their presence or absence.

In Jack Nicholson's case(Leo Asc, Sun Tau in house 10), the identity of his Father was kept secret(Sun-Pluto/Jup square & Sun square Asc). This because the Mom was not sure of whom his Father was.She was 17 when she birthed Jack. And she had to pass as his sister. Jack has Sun/Ura conj to suggest this most unusual circumstance of his life.

With Al Pacino, his parents divorced at 2. He moved to live with his mom's relatives. His Grandfather played more of the "Dad" role. Al has Sun(Asc ruler conj Sat).Sat is affiliated with the elderly.

Jessica Lange had a Father whose career necessitated them to move around from place to place a lot. She has Leo Asc, Sun-Moon/Jup square.And early in her life she embraced a "bohemian" lifestyle where she and her then hubby travelled through the US & Mexico in a minivan(perhaps to mimic her moving around when she was still growing up?).

My Sister has Leo Asc, Sun in Tau. Tau Sun is opp Pluto in her case. The relationship she has with Dad is VOLATILE (for lack of a better word). And this has affected her relationship with men in a holistic way.

posted July 29, 2021 09:17 AM            

on top of that not everyone exhibits a sign's traits exactly the same

you could list 20 traits of a sign and not every single person who has that sign in their chart is going to tick all those boxes even if it's prominent

posted July 29, 2021 10:09 AM            

While I do relate to some descriptions,it’s not entirely me.
Having a Pisces Mars in the 12th really changes my Aries rising.
My Gemini Mercury and Venus are retrograde
My Gemini moon is in the 2nd
Most of my personal planets are below the asc/dsc line,I believe that shows more of an introvert.

posted July 29, 2021 10:25 AM            

This can happen at or around first breath, but it can also happen several hours, till almost a half day or so, later, or several hours before.

I was initially open minded to this concept besides my general built up trust in this work, because before I got into it, my rather inuitive/psychic Mom had told me that when my body was being born, it was several minutes after the body was birthed, that she saw a very bright light descend and go into that body. That light was me, my consciousness or soul, or whatever you want to call it.

Indeed, a bit later of a chart fits better (though in my case, it is not far apart and I have the same Rising Sign).

But I certainly don't always identify with Leo, since I have Sun and Merc in Capricorn, and Capricorn and Leo are rather different in some ways. Capricorn is definitely more introverted and quiet. Leo does come out here and there.

Sometimes I "unleash the beast" and go full Leo mode. Particularly so when singing Bohemian Rhapsody, or the like, at karaoke. Also, when I really like a Lass, my Leo side can come out more.

posted July 29, 2021 06:57 PM            

What it comes down to is either (a) what you acknowledge in asking about what aspects could indicate a non-typical Leo rising person, and I'll give some examples; or (b) you aren't actually a Leo rising personality and won't be able to resolve this with logical assumptions regarding data or astrological concepts.

A:

- A non-typical Leonine personality would be indicated more by placements or aspects weighted elsewhere that accentuate introversion, sensitivity, etc, as seen in earth/water signs, especially with Moon & Neptune factors.

- Factors of that sort in the declinations that you're not seeing in the flat-wheel chart.

- Sun square Asc in Leo strengthens the solar, thus Leonine, principle of the Asc dynamic. So that aspect does not reflect a non-typical Leonine personality. Moon square Asc from Taurus could, however. Moon is the strongest single factor in this, so the simplest explanation could be Moon (but not Sun) in Taurus squaring Asc.

B:

Based on what you say here, I think it is quite possible you are actually a Cancer rising personality, so I recommend clicking this link and comparing the two. This sign, however, does resonate with hard Moon-Asc aspects, so it may not be conclusive for your situation.

Also:
(1) The specificity of a recorded time should not be conflated with accuracy of the record; it may not happen really often, but times have been written reversed along AM/PM lines, or an hour later/earlier than they took place, or simply estimated post-birth by nursing staff (a lot more common than you'd think).
(2) Some astrologers, (and other sources like Galactic mentioned) most of whom won't talk about it publicly, have noticed that in spite of accurately recorded birth times, many Ascendant figures are simply not accurate matches for the person in question.

I've got some explanatory material on my website about this. Quite often, people are actually the rising sign prior to the one their time of record suggests; less often, people are the following sign.

posted July 29, 2021 07:17 PM            

My dad was told he was born at 3 AM. He was supposed to be a Leo rising personality. He isn't. I know this from his introversion that isn't quite what I'd call extreme, but is devoid of consistent evidence of anything Leonine. I asked him years ago, "If you could sum up your personality in one word or phrase, what would it be?" He thought about it just a moment and replied, "Intuitive." That's an answer from a Cancer rising individual and it fits how he behaves. He speaks softly and sometimes has to be asked to speak louder. In response to questions, he typically considers it a while, choosing his words carefully. Again, typical of Cancer rising.

Early on, in working on rectifying his chart, I knew there were only two real possibilities for his Asc figure: one with the N.Node near his Asc — or with Saturn (<11° Cancer) right on it. He is very Saturnine and that's the right one: Asc 11° Cancer. A few years ago I interviewed him extensively by phone and did an elaborate rectification to confirm it.

Don't let medical records be any kind of final word on astrology. There are a number of reasons they can be and are wrong. We don't disregard a written record, but look at it as part of a wholistic view of the person and astrology. If there is strong, undeniable evidence the person does not match their purported rising sign, then for the birth chart to be accurate and reliable it has to be adjusted until it clicks into place. Some of us know how to do that.

I've got countless examples, but I'll give only that one because it relates specifically to the Leo rising you're asking about.

posted July 29, 2021 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
To give a real-life example, my dad.

My dad was told he was born at 3 AM. He was supposed to be a Leo rising personality. He isn't. I know this from his introversion that isn't quite what I'd call extreme, but is devoid of consistent evidence of anything Leonine. I asked him years ago, "If you could sum up your personality in one word or phrase, what would it be?" He thought about it just a moment and replied, "Intuitive." That's an answer from a Cancer rising individual and it fits how he behaves. He speaks softly and sometimes has to be asked to speak louder. In response to questions, he typically considers it a while, choosing his words carefully. Again, typical of Cancer rising.

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Hmm, oddly, I have Leo Rising (am quite certain of this) and can relate to a lot of the above.

In person, I'm generally quiet and soft spoken, and tend to listen far more than talk. My words and manner are quite measured and reflective in general, and have quite a poker face. Intuition and empathy have been extremely central to my life. When I was very young, my empathy levels were off the chart, like feel, love, and care for all of humanity completely and utterly. While I've started to focus more and more on left brain type analysis, I started off operating from a very feeling-intuitive-knowing kind of space.

This is why I got into the topics and subjects that I did at such a young age. As much as I liked and respected my mom, from age 7 to 12, I thought she was a bit kooky when I would occasionally over hear her talking to her friends about things like seeing ghosts, feeling energies, having different spiritual and metaphysical books, etc.

It wasn't until I was 12, and I started to have guidance downloads at night while laying in bed trying to sleep, that I started to think she might not be so kooky after all. These guidance downloads dealt with concepts that were completely foreign to my conscious, personality mind at the time. Such things as, everything is connected at a fundamental level, love is the most important thing in the universe, big changes were coming to the world/humanity that would change everything and everyone fundamentally, there was something like a feminine and masculine energy in everything to different degrees/proportions, etc. They came in as strong feeling-knowing impressions, and for whatever reason, I just trusted it.

Shortly after that semi continued experience, I started to develop conscious interest in spiritual and metaphysical topics. Started to meditate, study astrology, read philosophy (mostly eastern at the time), etc. My Mom NEVER pushed her beliefs or leanings onto me in these areas, as that had been done to her and she extremely disliked it. So she would only talk to me about these things when I brought them up first.

I felt the truth of karma and other lives at a very deep, knowing level at that age of 13. It explained to me why some people felt so familiar and close, even barely knowing them or just meeting them, while other people I knew all my life, didn't feel like I knew much at all nor felt close to.

How do I explain/correlate the above astrologically?

A few different ways in combo. Jupiter is retrograding back into the 1st House and is the closest Planet to my ASC. The ruler of my ASC, the Sun, is in Capricorn and parallel and semi sextile Neptune. Neptune is in the 5th and trine the ASC (somewhat widely though). The primary ruler of the Cap Sun and Merc, Saturn is widely conjunct Moon the 12th House ruler, widely square Neptune, and closely sextile Angular Scorp Uranus.

Pisces South Node in the 7th. Scorpio IC with Mars in Virgo conjunct Jupiter, widely square Neptune, and closely trine Sun. Ruler of my Moon, 3rd House, and MC, Venus, extremely closely sextile Neptune and trine Pluto, in Aquarius and angular.

When I first started looking into astrology, I identified a lot more with Pisces, and to a lesser extent Aquarius, (and some of the feeling intensity of Scorpio and romanticism and fairness of Libra, but that was about it there) than any other Sign, including Capricorn (I've become more Capricorn like over the years though).

Planetary wise, there is a lot of "undercover" not obvious water there (i.e. Neptune, Moon, and the Piscean side of Jupiter), which with that very strong Capricorn, damps down a lot of the overt Leo Rising stuff. But it can and does occasionally come out here and there in different ways. If I want, I can turn on a charm and warmth that I don't normally try to project (I saw my brother overly focus on this growing up, and I didn't want to be like that. He honed that stuff down to a science. He is Libra Sun, with very early Virgo Rising cusping Leo and early Virgo close Venus Mars conjunction closely conjuncting his Asc, ruling planet barely in Libra, and Scorp Moon). While I'm definitely an introvert and get my energy from within, I can be quite sociable with people one on one or in small groups (Libra Moon and angular, 7th House Aqua Venus help with that).

I seem to be a natural leader and facilitator, though I don't want to be in the spotlight and don't want that kind of responsibility in relation to others. (Doesn't help that the Sun, the chart ruler, besides being in Cap is moderately closely square Pluto, my most difficult chart aspect probably). But that is like a combo of Cap and Leo I would say.

This entire post is probably a bit Leonine in some respects. Direct, open, and self centered.

posted July 29, 2021 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by drownme:
I'm Taurus sun+moon with a Leo rising.

However, I do not fit any of the Leo qualities (except maybe pride..slightly..)

I'm extremely quiet, introverted, social interaction drains me, ... anyway, I basically don't relate to Leo rising.

My birth time because it's definitely correct. Also, it's smack bang in the middle of the 1st house, so it's not like there's any potential of other signs creeping in there.

I've been looking at aspects and I have squares between my rising and my moon, mercuy and mars, so maybe that means that I have difficulty expressing myself or appearing on the outside how I am on the inside?

Does anybody else seriously not resonate with their rising sign?

What aspects would cause somebody to not resonate with their rising sign?

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posted July 29, 2021 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Imo the ascendant is more about what you are "waking up to" or "realizing" about yourself. Hence "Rising" sign.

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I love this perspective!

posted July 29, 2021 11:15 PM            

Do you have planets in the 12th house and were does your SUN fall in?

The fact Sun in TAURUS rules your chart I would think means you enjoy socializing more than you having LEO rising. Taurus is ruled by venus and venus rules socializing and relationships. But what do you have in VENUS? bc venus rules your sun and moon. Where does your venus fall in?

posted July 29, 2021 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
TBF I have met more leos who have told me they are antisocial than leos who tell me they love socializing LOL

Do you have planets in the 12th house and were does your SUN fall in?

The fact Sun in TAURUS rules your chart I would think means you enjoy socializing more than you having LEO rising. Taurus is ruled by venus and venus rules socializing and relationships. But what do you have in VENUS? bc venus rules your sun and moon. Where does your venus fall in?

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posted July 29, 2021 11:32 PM            

The sign fits me. Until I came here I identified with my Sun, never understanding how much more detail could be seen. When I saw my AC was the same as my very best friend's Sun sign. It was rather enlightening how we got along so easily. Yet we were both scorpio in attitude. Her AC Aries is aligned with my 4th - home. From the moment we met there was an ease around the other.

posted July 30, 2021 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/011239.html

Chart is in the last post.

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OMG I was trying to figure out if they had venus in the 12th! Ha they do!

posted July 30, 2021 04:08 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

B:

Based on what you say here, I think it is quite possible you are actually a Cancer rising personality, so I recommend clicking this link and comparing the two. This sign, however, does resonate with hard Moon-Asc aspects, so it may not be conclusive for your situation.

Also:
(1) The specificity of a recorded time should not be conflated with accuracy of the record; it may not happen really often, but times have been written reversed along AM/PM lines, or an hour later/earlier than they took place, or simply estimated post-birth by nursing staff (a lot more common than you'd think).
(2) Some astrologers, (and other sources like Galactic mentioned) most of whom won't talk about it publicly, have noticed that in spite of accurately recorded birth times, many Ascendant figures are simply not accurate matches for the person in question.

I've got some explanatory material on my website about this. Quite often, people are actually the rising sign prior to the one their time of record suggests; less often, people are the following sign.

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Thank you for your response!
That's interesting actually, that people are often the rising sign prior. And I think this would make sense for me, the link you added about Cancer rising definitely sounds like me, even down to the appearance. That's something to think about then.

posted July 30, 2021 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
OMG I was trying to figure out if they had venus in the 12th! Ha they do!

With them having venus in the 12th they probably tend to socially isolate and they probably enjoy retreating into themselves, this person recharges through alone time, I feel this will make them an introvert but they probably still project that warmth with AC in leo.

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Yup, that's me! I wonder which is more likely- that my birth time is a little off and I'm actually a Cancer ascendant, or if it's the cancer in 12H venus dampening the Leo ac?

posted July 30, 2021 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
TBF I have met more leos who have told me they are antisocial than leos who tell me they love socializing LOL

Do you have planets in the 12th house and were does your SUN fall in?

The fact Sun in TAURUS rules your chart I would think means you enjoy socializing more than you having LEO rising. Taurus is ruled by venus and venus rules socializing and relationships. But what do you have in VENUS? bc venus rules your sun and moon. Where does your venus fall in?

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My sun is in 11th house, funnily enough

After thinking a lot more this has opened my eyes. I realised that I do actually really enjoy socializing when it's with my closest closest friends, particularly one-on-one, and if I'm do anything I'd rather do it with said best friend than alone.

posted July 30, 2021 05:55 AM            

@drownme: both your Sun and Moon are in Taurus, with your Taurus Sun as ruler if you are indeed Leo Rising. Having your luminaries in Taurus as well as your ruler will give you a strong Taurus flavor. Taurus is an introverted sign and will make your Leo Rising way less loud than pure Leo. From my own experience Taurus needs regular down time to not get overwhelmed. Venus and Mercury usually stay close to the Sun, so maybe you have a stellium in Taurus too?

Planets in your first house or conjunct your Ascendant could also influence the expression of your Rising sign. You can use an orb of 5 degrees to your Ascendant. Conjunctions from H12 are also valid. You should definitely check for this.

posted July 30, 2021 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I do resonate with my Rising sign, Libra. But I also have a stellium in Taurus, including my ruler Venus. So Taurus energy is very strong in my personality. If you have a lot of planets in one specific sign this energy can be very dominant.

@drownme: both your Sun and Moon are in Taurus, with your Taurus Sun as ruler if you are indeed Leo Rising. Having your luminaries in Taurus as well as your ruler will give you a strong Taurus flavor. Taurus is an introverted sign and will make your Leo Rising way less loud than pure Leo. From my own experience Taurus needs regular down time to not get overwhelmed. Venus and Mercury usually stay close to the Sun, so maybe you have a stellium in Taurus too?

Planets in your first house or conjunct your Ascendant could also influence the expression of your Rising sign. You can use an orb of 5 degrees to your Ascendant. Conjunctions from H12 are also valid. You should definitely check for this.

I am pretty sure my birth time is accurate because of synastry with my ex-husband and best friend. My ex has his H7 ruler conjunct my Ascendant and my best friend has her Sun conjunct my Descendant. Maybe you could check synastry with some of the significant people in your life to see if they aspect your Ascendant?

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Oh wow, I've never thought about that before - my two best friends' suns are both conjunct my descendant! And one of them, her moon is conjunct my ascendant. Nice!!!

And you're right, I do have a Taurus stellium also - sun, moon, mercury, oh and Saturn. =) we are both very Taurean then!

posted July 30, 2021 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I love this perspective!

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Yes,the opinion comes from Simon Forster on his YouTube channel "Raising Vibrations" based off of "Evolutionary Astrology".

He speaks of the Ascendant and the nature of the Ascendant in detail. I listened internally to it because it offered a perspective that differed greatly from what I've always heard.