posted August 06, 2021 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
But what projection? What are you talking?

I hope you know that you do not know me, and that what you say may matter to me as much as a stone.

If you really think that I do theatrical with my things. I invite you to go to hell alone.
If you manage to survive, then tell me how you have been, okay?

Right now I'm dealing with a blow to the heart. Do you know what that is? Do you know what it is that your supposed father tries to kill you? Yes. This was done to me by a Scorpio Ascendant.
In addition to doing this kind of atrocities to me, I still have to endure that with his Scorpio Ascendant he reads me, and studies me like prey.
Do you know what the heart is? It is the center of our feelings, dreams, and our guide to where we should go in life.

Now I am dealing with my whole body about to die. I don't just feel like my heart and chest don't match. I feel my whole damn body on the brink of death.

And I need my heart back to manifest the things that I want.

And instead, here I am in the middle of death, with all the scavengers devouring me and I can't even protect myself energetically, because my damn heart (center of all energy), has been hit..

While the only person I trusted, has died.

These are just some of the little things that Scorpio Moons have to deal with.

And no, I'm not playing the victim.
I'm watching how to cut a ******* Stockholm syndrome since I was 7 years old ... And how to maintain my identity in the process ... Knowing that it was all a lie.

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you said the ascendant is a projection, i explained it isn't, do you forget what you write immediately after hitting send?

i know what you present, and i don't care if this means anything to you or not i'm saying this because it should be said

i've been through plenty of **** in my life, we've been over this, it's not a ******* contest though so that means **** all

you can look in one of your other threads if you want some list of horrible **** i've experienced, i've been through plenty 🤷‍♀️ thing is i accept that **** happens to myself, to other people and there's no placing my pain on a pedestal

there is no "i have it the worst" or "other people can't understand my pain ever" kind of nonsense, no assumptions that other people's hard **** is less than mine

suffering is universal and at one point or another everyone will experience tragedy, this is life, yes some **** can be worse for other people but in the end what matters is growing from it instead of drowning in it

that **** didn't just happen, you've been saying "right now" for weeks at the very least i haven't kept track but i know damn well it wasn't a just now incident

we've been over this i know what it is to be abused by my father (and other people) and i know what it is to have someone try and kill me, now what? i know how it is you know how it is, it sucks, now what?

you aren't on the brink of death and if you really are go to a ******* hospital for christ's sake instead of endlessly going on about it here

have you even been evaluated by a doctor to make that kind of statement? "brink of death" (for weeks now mind you) is a huge ******* thing to declare

you in hospice care? you got a doctor telling you this **** ? you get an ecg and **** done?

because if the answer to questions like that is no then you're not dying and you likely don't think you're about to either unless you're suicidal or some **** and just don't care

this is what i mean about the drama with you, you straight up talk like the whole ******* world is ending, i get it something bad happened

i get it stockholm syndrome for narcs sucks been there

but what i don't get is acting like only your trauma matters and like anyone who tells you to chill a bit just can't possibly understand

posted August 06, 2021 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
you said the ascendant is a projection, i explained it isn't, do you forget what you write immediately after hitting send?

i know what you present, and i don't care if this means anything to you or not i'm saying this because it should be said

i've been through plenty of **** in my life, we've been over this, it's not a ******* contest though so that means **** all

you can look in one of your other threads if you want some list of horrible **** i've experienced, i've been through plenty 🤷‍♀️ thing is i accept that **** happens to myself, to other people and there's no placing my pain on a pedestal

there is no "i have it the worst" or "other people can't understand my pain ever" kind of nonsense, no assumptions that other people's hard **** is less than mine

suffering is universal and at one point or another everyone will experience tragedy, this is life, yes some **** can be worse for other people but in the end what matters is growing from it instead of drowning in it

that **** didn't just happen, you've been saying "right now" for weeks at the very least i haven't kept track but i know damn well it wasn't a just now incident

we've been over this i know what it is to be abused by my father (and other people) and i know what it is to have someone try and kill me, now what? i know how it is you know how it is, it sucks, now what?

you aren't on the brink of death and if you really are go to a ******* hospital for christ's sake instead of endlessly going on about it here

have you even been evaluated by a doctor to make that kind of statement? "brink of death" (for weeks now mind you) is a huge ******* thing to declare

you in hospice care? you got a doctor telling you this **** ? you get an ecg and **** done?

because if the answer to questions like that is no then you're not dying and you likely don't think you're about to either unless you're suicidal or some **** and just don't care

this is what i mean about the drama with you, you straight up talk like the whole ******* world is ending, i get it something bad happened

i get it stockholm syndrome for narcs sucks been there

but what i don't get is acting like only your trauma matters and like anyone who tells you to chill a bit just can't possibly understand

i'm honestly thinking mirage is right about you at this point 🤷‍♀️

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I'm very sorry for what happened to you.
But if you look at it, I don't talk about what happened to me with others. Because that has happened to me, freely.

They have raped me, tried to kill me, I have suffered bullying. My own mother has endangered my life since I was born.
From leaving me in the street, with snow below zero, being a baby, having to pick me up from the neighbors, to drowning in alcohol, etc ...

A thousand things have happened to me that have not affected me.

Because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped.
I'm only talking about my kidnappers, pedophiles. Because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped by these people.

And do you know why? Because everything that happens in life, good or bad, is natural.
But being kidnapped to be brainwashed that you are the daughter of strangers is aberrant.
It violates all universal laws. This violates life.

So yes, I am talking about my kidnappers, because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped by those inhuman garbage.

And if to that, you add a Scorpio Ascendant, which while torturing you, reads you ... Well imagine.

posted August 06, 2021 09:28 PM            

Nobody would torture a child like this, taking him away from his family, friends and home ... While he is dedicated to torturing the child when he demands to return to his family.

The Aquarius man who kidnapped me, when he first bought me, was beating me. I, crying, in a state of panic, told him that I wanted to return to my country. He cornered me against the wall
And he told me that everything I had experienced before was a lie, and that this was my real life. That he was my father and I had to accept him by hook or by crook. Then he went out to the living room and went to comment
With his wife, something about my panties.

I think he smelled my panties.
Of course that was no worse than his wife. She was an outspoken pedophile.

But do you know what's funny? That in my country, before being kidnapped, I also suffered severe sexual abuse from my mother.
But it was different. She was my mother.
It is not the same for your mother to do this to you, than for your owners to do it to you,
On top of that they then demand that you smile and be their damn daughter. Nothing has occurred here.

posted August 06, 2021 09:36 PM            

Ranting on an astrological board might help you release some steam, but that doesn't promote healing.

posted August 06, 2021 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I'm very sorry for what happened to you.
But if you look at it, I don't talk about what happened to me with others. Because that has happened to me, freely.

They have raped me, tried to kill me, I have suffered bullying. My own mother has endangered my life since I was born.
From leaving me in the street, with snow below zero, being a baby, having to pick me up from the neighbors, to drowning in alcohol, etc ...

A thousand things have happened to me that have not affected me.

Because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped.
I'm only talking about my kidnappers, pedophiles. Because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped by these people.

And do you know why? Because everything that happens in life, good or bad, is natural.
But being kidnapped to be brainwashed that you are the daughter of strangers is aberrant.
It violates all universal laws. This violates life.

So yes, I am talking about my kidnappers, because nothing is comparable to being kidnapped by those inhuman garbage.

And if to that, you add a Scorpio Ascendant, which while torturing you, reads you ... Well imagine.

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i'm watching you talk about it, again, and have been for weeks and i'm telling you this isn't some kind of who had the most ****** up life competition 🤷‍♀️ you telling me more doesn't change that, i could tell you more i've got plenty and then that'd get us where? nowhere because what ******* difference does it make? none

you've openly said you consider adoption to be kidnapping and pedophilia so that alone tells me that your words need to be taken with a grain of salt because what you call something isn't necessarily what anyone else would define it as (and your language while it touches on other people's emotions is problematic) so nothing you tell me has a whole lot of meaning

i understand you're in a bad place i get it, i understand you're traumatized, i understand that you're struggling the details don't mean **** to me though because of the unreliable narrative so spare me them and spare yourself them too because this isn't doing anything

instead you're continuously doing this "i've experienced the most profound pain anyone could possibly experience and it's worse than (insert anything else here)" and that's absolute ********

you minimize other people when you put your **** on a pedestal like that and alienate yourself further and you don't even realize it

i was raised by a scorpio ascendant (mercury and venus and neptune too) i dated a scorpio stellium ive had scorpio moon friends etc that doesnt make bad **** worse, it just doesnt

**** can suck no matter who's doing it to you it's as simple as "bad thing feels bad" the chart placements dont make this **** worse somehow

posted August 07, 2021 04:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm watching you talk about it, again, and have been for weeks and i'm telling you this isn't some kind of who had the most ****** up life competition 🤷‍♀️ you telling me more doesn't change that, i could tell you more i've got plenty and then that'd get us where? nowhere because what ******* difference does it make? none

you've openly said you consider adoption to be kidnapping and pedophilia so that alone tells me that your words need to be taken with a grain of salt because what you call something isn't necessarily what anyone else would define it as (and your language while it touches on other people's emotions is problematic) so nothing you tell me has a whole lot of meaning

i understand you're in a bad place i get it, i understand you're traumatized, i understand that you're struggling the details don't mean **** to me though because of the unreliable narrative so spare me them and spare yourself them too because this isn't doing anything

instead you're continuously doing this "i've experienced the most profound pain anyone could possibly experience and it's worse than (insert anything else here)" and that's absolute ********

you minimize other people when you put your **** on a pedestal like that and alienate yourself further and you don't even realize it

i was raised by a scorpio ascendant (mercury and venus and neptune too) i dated a scorpio stellium ive had scorpio moon friends etc that doesnt make bad **** worse, it just doesnt

**** can suck no matter who's doing it to you it's as simple as "bad thing feels bad" the chart placements dont make this **** worse somehow

if someone beats a child it makes no difference what their ascendant is, simple as that

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Adoption is aberrant and pedophile, in the underworld.
And it is a change of soul of the sacrificed for adoption, in the spiritual world.

Think what you want. Ask to be adopted in your next life.

posted August 07, 2021 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
WhiteBirds, I am sorry to hear what happened to you. Are you getting help in the form of counseling or therapy?

Ranting on an astrological board might help you release some steam, but that doesn't promote healing.

Wishing you well.

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I am not asking for help. There is no help for this, other than suicide.

But in return, I'm helping myself, and I'm doing an autolobotomy to pretend that I was never adopted and never met these people.

posted August 07, 2021 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Nobody in their right mind would kidnap a child of other people to force the child to be a child, and a human pet.
Killing every second of that child's life his damn soul and mission in life. Because now the boy's mission is to be the pet of his kidnappers.

Nobody would torture a child like this, taking him away from his family, friends and home ... While he is dedicated to torturing the child when he demands to return to his family.

The Aquarius man who kidnapped me, when he first bought me, was beating me. I, crying, in a state of panic, told him that I wanted to return to my country. He cornered me against the wall
And he told me that everything I had experienced before was a lie, and that this was my real life. That he was my father and I had to accept him by hook or by crook. Then he went out to the living room and went to comment
With his wife, something about my panties.

I think he smelled my panties.
Of course that was no worse than his wife. She was an outspoken pedophile.

But do you know what's funny? That in my country, before being kidnapped, I also suffered severe sexual abuse from my mother.
But it was different. She was my mother.
It is not the same for your mother to do this to you, than for your owners to do it to you,
On top of that they then demand that you smile and be their damn daughter. Nothing has occurred here.

This kidnapping is beyond rape.
Some mentally ill who kidnap a child to make him a son, are violating creation.
If you can't create a life, you screw yourself up, and you hang on.
Do not kidnap a child, because no child is obliged to make you a child.
Each soul is born with a purpose, and no soul is born to fulfill the fantasies of some barren delirious that the child they kidnapped is theirs.

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perfectly sane people can and do adopt children (kidnapping is unlawfully taking a child, this did not happen to you, you were put into the system) and not all adoptions are terrible for the children who were adopted

there are people (i've spoken to them) who were adopted who were grateful for it and see it as a good thing, and there are people who see adopting a child in need of a home as more positive than having children of their own

this isn't a bad thing in and of itself, it's a thing that can go poorly and in your case it did, but adoption is not kidnapping or pedophilia

you were not kidnapped you were adopted, and you use language in misleading ways to make things sound like something else and it's to a point where i can't and don't trust your words or take them at face value (no one should take your words at face value because a good deal of them are figurative and descriptions of feelings you have rather than facts)

you can't kill someone's soul like that, you can't destroy their life's mission these things are just not true and arguably since adoption can be seen in a chart among other things these sorts of things are just meant to be and shape a person's soul in certain ways

but it isn't a perversion it doesn't destroy anything, it just is

your family gave you up for adoption, you weren't stolen from them, you were handed over and while that's sad and was confusing for you that's the reality of it

your family couldn't care for you and chose to give you up

you thinking someone did something doesnt mean much, you've blamed every scorpio ascendant for doing **** you've made up in your head that you feel like they're doing 🤷‍♀️

abuse in all its forms is ****** and dramatic it isn't better if the person is blood related by any means, no matter what it's still traumatic and painful

again this is you placing your pain on a pedestal and making other things lesser, maybe for you that was the worst thing but for other people that may not be (again there are people who are grateful to have been adopted)

it does not violate creation to adopt a child, as a matter of fact it can just be part of someone's life path 🤷‍♀️ again what went wrong for you doesn't go wrong for others

your pain isn't somehow more important than anyone's your suffering isn't somehow worse or greater and you romanticize **** other people have been through to put your pain on a pedestal and it reflects poorly on you ultimately

between the manipulative language and the half truths etc there's a lot wrong here, i think you should get help

posted August 07, 2021 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Adoption is aberrant and pedophile, in the underworld.
And it is a change of soul of the sacrificed for adoption, in the spiritual world.

Think what you want. Ask to be adopted in your next life.

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this is stuff you've made up about adoption, you're not some authority on the spirit realm lol

posted August 07, 2021 07:40 AM            

by wallowing in it constantly, turning it into **** it isnt (the manipulative language, the soul death **** , the keeping you from your life's purpose nonsense etc) you make it into some indestructible obstacle that can never be overcome and it's at your own detriment

stop saying **** like "how would you like it if..." because no **** i've been through plenty of bad **** and i understand the damage it can cause and guaranteed you wouldn't have had a good time living my past either

you just romanticize it because you need to feel your pain is somehow greater than anyone's when the truth of it is that these things are subjective

there are people who view being adopted as the best thing that could have happened to them for you it was traumatic, but to them not a big deal and other things in their life have hurt them far more

there is no objective value that can be placed on pain it's all a matter of how the person experiencing it feels and you can't minimize **** that happens to other people just because you put different values on things that have happened in your life

posted August 07, 2021 08:07 AM            

I feel confused by your postings. You talked about dying even in the other thread. I thought you had some illness, but I guess not? You’re actually referring to what I called a spiritual death? I know trauma can cause such feelings…I’ve had those… but what you wrote was misleading. I’ve had suicidal thoughts too. I attempted it once but was thankful I didn’t succeed. In hindsight it was stupid.

For the life of me I don’t get how you associate adoption with kidnapping. Do you know the difference? There are people who are grateful to be adopted rather than being left on the streets, have you thought of that? And also I’m curious how is it you find adoption bad but abortion ok?

I’m not trying to downplay your trauma (we all have our own demons) but you have made some sweeping statements that make me uncomfortable. Even though you said you don’t need help but I seriously think you need therapy. Scorpios can be very obstinate and they always think people don’t understand their pain but that’s what YOU think.

posted August 07, 2021 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
this is stuff you've made up about adoption, you're not some authority on the spirit realm lol

adoption is not pedophilia raising a child isn't a sexual thing, and you're doing exactly what i pointed out earlier that's a huge issue with you (placing your pain on a pedestal)

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Buying a child is pedophilia.
See if you understand the difference.
There is a difference between raising a child and buying a child because you are sterile and you want the child to be your child.

The production of a child is something sexual. Therefore, being a father and mother is something sexual, and no one can take that position away.
Because those who buy the child are not God. The only gods are the creators of that child, and if the child chose to incarnate with a specific mother and father, it is for a reason.
You cannot buy a child and pretend it is yours. That is pedophilia.

posted August 07, 2021 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
listen at a certain point in your life you have to accept that the past happened and shaped you but doesn't have to be your future and move the **** on

by wallowing in it constantly, turning it into **** it isnt (the manipulative language, the soul death **** , the keeping you from your life's purpose nonsense etc) you make it into some indestructible obstacle that can never be overcome and it's at your own detriment

stop saying **** like "how would you like it if..." because no **** i've been through plenty of bad **** and i understand the damage it can cause and guaranteed you wouldn't have had a good time living my past either

you just romanticize it because you need to feel your pain is somehow greater than anyone's when the truth of it is that these things are subjective

there are people who view being adopted as the best thing that could have happened to them for you it was traumatic, but to them not a big deal and other things in their life have hurt them far more

there is no objective value that can be placed on pain it's all a matter of how the person experiencing it feels and you can't minimize **** that happens to other people just because you put different values on things that have happened in your life

you need to move on and grow and heal not stay in this mindset you have

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Bla bla bla.

posted August 07, 2021 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Bla bla bla.

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🤣🤣🤣 i almost did that to you last night but then felt like it'd be rude so i didn't

more for myself than you i think 🤔 maybe

like i'm sorry you went through **** , i understand that you did no amount of telling me the same stories in different ways will ever get that through my head more

when it came to you i felt that would be too harsh

afterall, i don't have anything against you

anyway there's no hard feelings here, that made me laugh which is pretty great

i was worried things would seem too heated 😁 nice

posted August 07, 2021 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Buying a child is pedophilia.
See if you understand the difference.
There is a difference between raising a child and buying a child because you are sterile and you want the child to be your child.

The production of a child is something sexual. Therefore, being a father and mother is something sexual, and no one can take that position away.
Because those who buy the child are not God. The only gods are the creators of that child, and if the child chose to incarnate with a specific mother and father, it is for a reason.
You cannot buy a child and pretend it is yours. That is pedophilia.

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buying a child isn't pedophilia, it isn't sexual, like yo i get that you're equating them but pedophilia means something very specific

just because sex is required to make a child that doesn't mean it's required to raise a child, and that's just true based on observing life

in the wild animals will adopt babies that have been left behind that still need to be caref for, people have always done the same

the act of raising them is not inherently sexual it's necessity for the child to grow that someone raise them

it seems to me you're playing mental gymnastics to not accept the fact that your family willingly gave you up

posted August 07, 2021 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
🤣🤣🤣 i almost did that to you last night but then felt like it'd be rude so i didn't

more for myself than you i think 🤔 maybe

like i'm sorry you went through **** , i understand that you did no amount of telling me the same stories in different ways will ever get that through my head more

when it came to you i felt that would be too harsh

afterall, i don't have anything against you

anyway there's no hard feelings here, that made me laugh which is pretty great

i was worried things would seem too heated 😁 nice

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posted August 07, 2021 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I am not asking for help. There is no help for this, other than suicide.

But in return, I'm helping myself, and I'm doing an autolobotomy to pretend that I was never adopted and never met these people.

Actually, what I need is to create a parallel reality where I never met these people.
I need to get into the feeling, and hold it long enough until it materializes in my material world.

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posted August 07, 2021 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Is that if I want to hear a sermon, I go to church 😛

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posted August 07, 2021 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
maybe you could deal with hearing one so go, tomorrow's sunday afterall

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posted August 07, 2021 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
When God gives me signs of life, I will go 😇

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pretty sure you wishing you could change your soul is a sign

posted August 07, 2021 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Well, I think it's time to end this topic, and return to the main topic of the thread. 😊

The Scorpio Ascendants.
And how uncomfortable it is that they read people in such an obvious way.

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posted August 07, 2021 10:47 AM            

individual statistics can vary greatly in terms of actual odds so i figure they could be wrong about me and either way it's not worth being concerned about

they're right or they're wrong but i'm good with me so i don't care

posted August 07, 2021 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
scorpio can be right a lot of the time but like they can also still be wrong then use confirmation bias to decide **** they don't know and feel sure of it

individual statistics can vary greatly in terms of actual odds so i figure they could be wrong about me and either way it's not worth being concerned about

they're right or they're wrong but i'm good with me so i don't care

if they're right about me they think i'm alright and if they're wrong they'll get to know me and think the same either way it's cool🤷‍♀️

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Yes I agree with you.
It really doesn't even matter if they get it right or not.
It's more the discomfort that someone is reading to you.