posted September 13, 2021 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

I'm not particularly fixated on my independence and i like feeling like someone balances me, good connections and even just important ones are deeply meaningful and part of growth and necessary to experience life

longterm and stable is ideal for a romantic relationship but there has to be other **** there not sure how you'd think a 7th house north node wouldn't be drawn to that on some level

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Agreed. 💯 Well said.

I have (Aries) Sun & NN in the 7th. I deeply value my close connections with others. I'm choosy about romantic relationships though! As you said, it's rather easy to get into fleeting romances or casual sexual affairs. NN in the 7th wants the REAL DEAL though - that partner we can grow & transform with. 🦋 Otherwise, we can take it or leave it.

@Aries23 I'm great with touch - I've been told I give great hugs and such. As for building or creating something with my hands, not so much.

posted September 13, 2021 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Agreed. 💯 Well said.

I have (Aries) Sun & NN in the 7th. I deeply value my close connections with others. I'm choosy about romantic relationships though! As you said, it's rather easy to get into fleeting romances or casual sexual affairs. NN in the 7th wants the REAL DEAL though - that partner we can grow & transform with. 🦋 Otherwise, we can take it or leave it.

@Aries23 I'm great with touch - I've been told I give great hugs and such. As for building or creating something with my hands, not so much.

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yeah exactly, if it isn't actually worth my time then being alone is better, but just because i'm ok with being alone over something worthless doesn't mean i don't see value in something meaningful

i think if someone just needs someone to not be alone and anyone will do something is really ******* wrong there and they should probably spend some time alone to sort that out 🤷‍♀️

posted September 13, 2021 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my moon and north node are aries and conjunct my descendant and i find that completely unrelatable

i see a lot of value in longterm stability but i dont see a relationship as being successful simply because it's lasted a long time

nothing to do with physical gratification since that shouldn't be the foundation of a relationship

my first relationship lasted almost 15 years, it was open technically but still 🤷‍♀️ i would only bother with a relationship if i felt it had the potential to be serious and longterm otherwise i'm comfortable being alone and sex is easy to find if i wanted casual sex (relationships are also easy to find but ones that have value are not, have had a 🤷‍♀️ with a very close friend for over a year now and that eventually going somewhere would be one thing but outside of that i don't really care at the moment)

i find a good chunk of these takes on aries as hard to relate to in all honesty

i'm not a selfish person i don't think my needs or feelings or anything come before other people, i can view life in a self centered manner in the sense that i value my opinions and thoughts etc but i don't think that means i should come first or dont consider others etc

i like people who are rather playful (love this leo stellium guy i have the 🤷‍♀️ with) but also grounded (taurus moon) and sort of steady because i can be sort of all over the place and i appreciate when someone can bring some stability but i do like an intact inner child and i appreciate seeing it

i'm not particularly fixated on my independence and i like feeling like someone balances me, good connections and even just important ones are deeply meaningful and part of growth and necessary to experience life

longterm and stable is ideal for a romantic relationship but there has to be other **** there not sure how you'd think a 7th house north node wouldn't be drawn to that on some level

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posted September 13, 2021 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
outside of playing guitar no

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posted September 13, 2021 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
@Aries23 I'm great with touch - I've been told I give great hugs and such. As for building or creating something with my hands, not so much.

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posted September 13, 2021 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Saturn squaring your Sun in 11th can limit time with friends.Sometimes I see this as someone who thinks friends are a "burden" or "responsibility"?

Or perhaps the friends depend on them too much(like a child would depend on a parent)? So they feel like they have to "mother/father" their friends.

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Very good insights! I hate to say this but it's true. Friendships can feel like a burden sometimes. But the right ones don't make me feel like this for the most part.

This feeling was especially strong when I was going through my Saturn return.

I had a group of friends that sucked at communicating. Trying to find a middle ground place for us to all meet up. One girl needed a ride half the time. I was expected to pick her up because I lived just under a half hour from her unlike the rest of the girls. It's always still me going to her place in the opposite direction of where we are meeting.

The last time we hung out was like in February 2020. Two girls at the last minute had a show down about going to a bar that was closer to them. The tension between us could of been cut with a knife, after the other girl got her way.

Oh and of course that one friend who became progressively creepier. Wanting to talk on the phone multiple times a day. I've basically cut her out of my life at this point. I like my peace too much to ever get back in touch.

Once a friend does get super needy, I eventually run away. Like needing rides frequently, needing constant attention/validation, expecting me to pay for them, etc.

I didn't feel good on Saturday and I felt really bad for not being so emotionally available through texting one of my best friends. I did let him know a few days ago that my mental health has been a $hit show, and that I wasn't feeling well.

And if my friend's aren't a burden, then it's my job that's the burden. LOL I'm my early 20's I had more of the attitude of my part time job is such a burden on doing whatever I want with my friends.

Then mid to late 20's was trying to have fun with my friends is stressing me out.

Then late 20-30's is omg people want to hang out with me...why would they do this to me right now?!

Yes having this nataly makes me wonder can I ever have it all with out feeling insane?! Sometimes I feel like I figured it out.

Yes with this placement, I wonder if it wasn't for my Sun trine Mars if I would even have awesome memories with friends?

Off topic but part of my 11th house is Pisces I sometimes like friendship being a form of escapism. Friendship can feel like a form of escapism for me.

posted September 14, 2021 10:11 AM            

Pisces is vulnerable energy.Two things happen when people see someone vulnerable; they either try to protect them and fiercely defend them OR try to exploit them/ pull a fast one on them.

You can immediately tell the nature of someone by how they treat someone vulnerable/naive/gullible.

posted September 14, 2021 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I hear you. I forgot bits of your chart. But i think there is stuff to negate what i said in there. I think you have Venus in Libra? Not sure. But it won't apply in your case "as is".

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venus in libra yeah conjunct ascendant, and south node conjunct ascendant as well, my whole ascendant/descendant axis is heavily aspected aside from that (t-square with cap mars, kite with mercury and uranus)

aside from that noticed you sun in 11th square saturn comment (i have this placement in placidus though other systems put my sun 12th house) and i gotta say i don't feel like friends are a burden at all

posted September 14, 2021 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think its the Aries Moon that has you think/perceive that Libra "co-dependecy" is a "weakness". Most Libras I know think of it as more "team involvement"💁🏿‍♂️

Aries Moon is (atleast to me) the Aries energy manifestation from a more "this feels like home" reflective expression. In that Aries Moon "go to" place is more action focused. Then jist passive observance.

I know (for instance) that I will find Aries(Moon/Mars aspect folks too) mostly in combative/ competitive environments i.e. those environments that will get the blood pumping (Tau Moon tends to avoid such).

So Mixed martial arts sports, body-building/fitness competitions, boxing clubs,racing car drivers type of atmosphere etc.

Fankie Muniz(aka "Malcolm in the middle") went from actor to racing car driver. He has Moon in Virgo contra parallel (which is like an opposition aspect) to Mars.💁🏿‍♂️

I sometimes go back forth with my own Mars in Libra Asc opposition. In that I can do team work. But then on the other hand, a part of me always want to "break free". The back/forth tension is seldom ever not there.

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This meme above explains my "team involvement" generally.
I’d be content to have fair “co-denpendecy” where I don’t need to watch my back and would be able to get emotional support, not just demands. I don’t think it ever happens.
I like Aries energy to be action focused and outgoing. Even Aries Sun, Mercury, Venus are like that in my experience. And they all have this combative/ competitive mode often.
My issue with Aries, they are often being inconsiderate and rude. I’m not that Libra who needs to alway keep peace and balance, but I wish they would be emotionally supportive. I think to be considerable of the others is an Aries blind spot.
I have the tension between being a part of something/have a team and being independent/free. I don’t know if it is my moon contra parallel Mars would be enough to give me Aries qualities. Maybe, my moon opp. Aries DC could make my moon more Aries, but it’s 3-4 degrees in 12th.
I like that I feel like I don’t need to be too nice and control my expressions much with Aries. My Mercury is pretty heavy aspected so sometimes it bothers me I sound/appear too edgy/ too not nice or weird. It’s hard to look more edgy or impolite than Aries so I could be a little more fun lol

posted September 14, 2021 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Pisces on the cusp of the 11th could also mean that friends taking advantage of you is likely.

Pisces is vulnerable energy.Two things happen when people see someone vulnerable; they either try to protect them and fiercely defend them OR try to exploit them/ pull a fast one on them.

You can immediately tell the nature of someone by how they treat someone vulnerable/naive/gullible.

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posted September 14, 2021 09:17 PM            

Before college I would try to take charge. And people were put off by it. So eventually I was like eff it. But then in college I was kind of more like lets all pick something to focus on and check in with each other. That when people started to see me more as a leader.

posted September 15, 2021 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
venus in libra yeah conjunct ascendant, and south node conjunct ascendant as well, my whole ascendant/descendant axis is heavily aspected aside from that (t-square with cap mars, kite with mercury and uranus)

aside from that noticed you sun in 11th square saturn comment (i have this placement in placidus though other systems put my sun 12th house) and i gotta say i don't feel like friends are a burden at all

i do often get put in an almost parental role with many of them but that seems to be age based

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Again,I think this will need further inspection of the 11th house situation in your case. Because Sat square Sun suggests some type of limitation(Sat) with the expression of the self (Sun).

So in your case it could mean that around your friends,you can't be the "kid". You have to be the metaphoric "designated driver" -so to speak.

If it doesnt feel like a "burden", there are likely other things to negate that. My response was to Stawr because her stance with regards to her relationship with friends is different.

After reading her comment,I actually immediately wondered if Saturn was involved? Because I share the same sentiments(Ven rules 11th house and is conj Sat). To me,friends can definitely feel "heavy". I have to distance myself a lot.

posted September 15, 2021 07:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

This meme above explains my "team involvement" generally.
I’d be content to have fair “co-denpendecy” where I don’t need to watch my back and would be able to get emotional support, not just demands. I don’t think it ever happens.
I like Aries energy to be action focused and outgoing. Even Aries Sun, Mercury, Venus are like that in my experience. And they all have this combative/ competitive mode often.
My issue with Aries, they are often being inconsiderate and rude. I’m not that Libra who needs to alway keep peace and balance, but I wish they would be emotionally supportive. I think to be considerable of the others is an Aries blind spot.
I have the tension between being a part of something/have a team and being independent/free. I don’t know if it is my moon contra parallel Mars would be enough to give me Aries qualities. Maybe, my moon opp. Aries DC could make my moon more Aries, but it’s 3-4 degrees in 12th.
I like that I feel like I don’t need to be too nice and control my expressions much with Aries. My Mercury is pretty heavy aspected so sometimes it bothers me I sound/appear too edgy/ too not nice or weird. It’s hard to look more edgy or impolite than Aries so I could be a little more fun lol

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Your responses keep on highlighting the oppositional relationship of Aries and Libra very poignantly.

Moon contra parallel Mars is also contributing to this "see-saw" effect. This aspect definitely has a very "oppositional" nature to it.

Aries energy is unfortunately abrasive by design. And they(Aries) are seldom aware of that because its their default mode.

Aries is not meant to think for others (that's more Libra territory) and its not because they dont want to. They often just have a tunnel vision when it comes to their perspective. And their perspective only by design💁🏿‍♂️

As an Aries Rising,part of what I am realizing about myself is how I need to obey my 1st instincts and just "go for it". I havr Mars square Moon/Mars too and sometimes I feel like the external noise and "well meaning" counsel, gets in the way of that initial enthusiasm to just "do".

The passion of Mars when ignited needs inmediate release. Its not a thinking planet. It must "do". It always has been this way and always will. "Abrasive" is the external judgement of its method( typically from Lib/Cap or Cancer energy)

posted September 15, 2021 07:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Good insights! I agree. Aries is also part of my 11th house. So I think that helps me not have a high tolerance for "users"

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🤔 Perhaps. I actually want to explore this some more i.e What happens to the part energy in another sign in a house but without any planets ?

posted September 15, 2021 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I'm also a 9 life path: 27/9 more specifically.

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posted September 15, 2021 10:10 PM            

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Hey Aries23!
Didn't meant to wait out this long replying. My mind gets congested for a bit. I'm sorry to hear about your Uncles passing. Can I give you a e-hug?

and....
Yes!!! the unrestrained feels relieving, like coming home from handling customers all day. Sometimes I find Aries and Aquarius are similar, I can't tell if I rebel for my own sake or wanting to be different. (my Aries Venus 11h trine Uranus). Did I mention Aries embraces making mistakes, at least for me, that I think impulsivity and passion are related but the real world (Saturn) does not work that way.

Ironically I can be sensitive, my family is rather blunt. They don't hold back on nitpicking. It was rough. I do notice... when I allow myself to be myself, I start caring less of their bluntness. I'm learning to love myself (Venus Aries), even though I feel rather uncomfortable they're not pleased about it (Libra Moon).

How far do you feel with your Aries rising? Can you feel my Venus trine Uranus on your ASC online? I'm not sure how this works. hehe.. I never met anyone with Aries rising. My Cancer rising develops slowly over the years and living longer brings my Cancer out, esp after the Saturn return. Now I feel the battle between my Aries Sun and Cancer Rising clashing, while my Libra moon is agonizing trying to find comfort in this chaos.

The Pluto transit (square Venus), was.... I have no words. I suffered internally a lot. I lost everything I build for myself - career, friendships, my relationship with my sister, and ex-fiance but they were all toxic for me. It all came crashing and I had to re-define myself and my life after the great conjunction. Practicing more self compassion and love. I think I extended too much for others, I need to do that for myself. I am primarily exhausted from the Plutonian themes.

My grandma also passed away, I looked like her that at that moment I had visioned my own death from her death bed. Right now, my grandpa isn't doing well, I am afraid to say he may not be around for long.

And when tPluto square my Venus for one last time, I came out to my mom I no longer follow the Catholic faith. She's a very devoted and religious, I am surprised I don't have any Jupiter aspects minus Jupiter trine ASC and square Saturn. Hearing that, my mom was of course devastated. This had me bugging because I don't like to lie to my mom about something she care too much, because it was in conflict of who I am. I just want her to embrace the idea I can't follow in her footstep. Up to today, she brings up this matter. And I feel this may surface some surprised when tPluto square my Moon next year.

posted September 16, 2021 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I wanted to ask this: How many of you with Aries are good with your hands? As in you are quite adept at repairing stuff, DIY or working to create things with your hands?

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posted September 16, 2021 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Too good to not share!

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posted September 16, 2021 04:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Boom. Aqua Ven💁🏿‍♂️. Dad has Aqua Ven, he loves being with people and socializing. Venus is related to pleasures too. I was looking for a link 👌🏿

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posted September 16, 2021 04:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I wanted to ask this: How many of you with Aries are good with your hands? As in you are quite adept at repairing stuff, DIY or working to create things with your hands?

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Ha! Would you like me to touch you right now to see how much my hands are burning?