posted March 01, 2022 03:12 PM              

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Mercury and Jupiter are the most prone to making men short...

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Thank you for the outline and reply. Ultimately, I'm far more interested in and pay attention to actual observation, experiential knowledge and experience, than beliefs via traditional dogmas or the like. Like for example, I've repeatedly seen Jupiter more closely conjunct the Asc correlated with increased height in both males and females.
One of the few exceptions I make to this general rule of thumb and practice is the Edgar Cayce work, because it is really a quite unique, unusual, and extraordinary work/collection of data.

But lets use some holistic logic for a moment, divorced of all dogma, both ancient and modern: "Signs" (and constellations in general) are essentially imaginary. Humans all around the globe have made connections between various Stars and Star systems and have assigned different symbols and images to them. Problem is, while these are found around the globe, there are major differences between different cultures and parts of the globe as to the specific symbolism and meaning, and even the images themselves (look at Mayan, Incan, Chinese, etc systems).

It is to some extent, the projection of that cultures consciousness onto the heavens. What is within, gets projected to without.

So just because one uses an updated, moving "Zodiac" doesn't really mean a whole lot when it is all imaginary and somewhat arbitrary to begin with.

According to Cayce's guidance this all changed about 12, 500 years ago when the original part of the Great Pyramid was being constructed. An unusual and very psychic person named Ra Ta was born as a virgin birth (not a pure Spirit conception like Yeshua, but an ET conception though). He wanted to and did create (more so realize) a universal, archetypal system, and as he was one who communed with both the gods (advanced, positive ETS) and God/Creator/Source (or whatever one wants to call It), he had a lot of help in forming his system of astrology. It wasn't just a projection of his culture (or ego) onto the heavens in other words, it was a more objective and accurate system.

Anyways, we'll get back to him and Egypt later on. The Tropical Zodiac on the other hand is aligned/fixed to the seasons. What do you think actually affects/influences humans more in a collective sense, the change of the seasons here on earth in relation to its orbit and tilt to the Sun, or some imaginary lines between different Stars and Star systems and Galaxies that we call "Constellations" (of which we can find numerous different versions)?

Obviously the actual seasons and orbit around the Sun and tilt of the Earth is what affects people the most (and yes, I know there is a difference between Northern and Southern hemisphere with this, but the same thing is happening to the entire earth, though the tilt affects the halves differently. And lets face it, almost all major world influencing civilizations have been in the northern hemisphere. These changes still happen at the same times for peoples above and below the equator, and that's the important point).

India, Indians, and/or those people really into that culture, I've noticed, like to think that they are one of the oldest and wisest on the block with their ancient knowledge and traditions (human ego), and while they are one of these, they are not the most, though perhaps the oldest surviving from a particular locale. Again, I go back to Cayce's work and my own intuitive explorations and communication with guidance for this.

According to a combo of these, India was extremely influenced at that 10, 500 B.C. time by the Egyptians and thus by the teacher Ra Ta who had formulated his own more universal and objective version of astrology with a lot of help from going within and communing with the Creative Forces.

But Ra Ta was not an arrogant and exceptionalist or separatist type--he had humility, and very much believed in Oneness of the Whole and he knew that he was not at the pinnacle of spiritual evolution though more mature than most humans at the time. At one point, he invited all the wise people from around the globe for talks and communing, because he wanted their help with other systems of philosophy/metaphysics/spirituality. Spiritual teachers/leaders from all the lands, including Saneid from India, folks from Atlantis, and various lands heeded the call and these meetings/communing did happen. According to Cayce's guidance, this period/cycle was one of the most important and momentous that has happened in the earth with humans ever (and his guidance had the complete picture perspective).

Then, these various representatives brought these codified systems (which they individually all had some hand in shaping) back to their own lands and peoples, which ultimately were pretty strongly influenced by Ra Ta and Egypt (Ra Ta himself was somewhat ironically not a native Egyptian, but emigrated there in his 20's). In other words, ultimately, India and some of her most ancient beliefs and traditions were heavily influenced by Egypt, as well as other lands/cultures.

But other influences and sharing happened later on, between various other groups. Over time, Egypt's spiritual light and knowledge started to dim and distort, and new cultures arose to carry the mantle of wayshower, in different astrological ages since that Virgo/Leo cusp time. At one point there were the Persians, the Babylonians, Greeks, the Hebrews, etc, and they all influenced each other to some extent, including India to some extent, but the one consistent influence between all of them, was that original Egyptian which was very influenced/shaped by Ra Ta so many centuries before. (Whom btw, this source said came to this 3rd dimension of physical earth from the nonphysical dimension that the Sun represents/symbolizes, which they called the "infinity forces").

The Arabic and Greek cultures in particular were very strongly influenced by the Egyptian and her ancient knowledge. I think they had realized something fundamental about all this, what I outlined to you before, that the Solar orbit and tilt and seasonal change times were more important to this whole thing than imaginary lines in space and arbitrary constellations.

So they sought to bring it back to Ra Ta's original form and fixed it to the seasons.

I will say that the one thing that Sidereal is superior for, as to accuracy, is when it comes to collective events that affect large numbers of people. But when it comes to the individual psyche, well its fitting that the smaller perspective of the Earth-Sun relationship works better, vs the larger cosmos which works better for the collective. Very fitting in a poetic, and holistic logic way.

(Note, while Egyptian astrology did become Sidereal based at some point, like the Indian, I don't think it was originally that way, and again I mentioned the Arabic and Greek people bringing it back to the original).

posted March 01, 2022 03:32 PM              

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Originally posted by teasel:
Do you think we should be invaded, because we have white supremacists here? Proud boys, and the like. One of them lives in my area, and was arrested for punching a black girl.

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Wow, talk about entirely missing the point!

Again, the more apt analogy is if a bunch of my buddies and I started to set up camp all around your property, waving our guns, but we are technically not parked in your property but say your neighbors. (Say to add icing on the cake, years before this happened, you received death threats from us and/or we would block your entrance to your driveway to mess with you).

That neighbor of yours (who used to be in your family via a marriage to your cousin) knows what is going on and our bad intentions, but still allows us to come in anyways. When you go to your neighbor to confront them and to defend yourself from these other folks (my buddies and I waving all of our guns at you), ultimately, you are not really going after your neighbor so much as trying to defend yourself from that group that is influencing the neighbor and on your neighbors property.

But this is pointless, you have allowed yourself to become so heavily and thoroughly propagandized that I've realized that I'm just wasting my breath in trying to outline the actual history, holistic logic, etc behind all this. You are firmly stuck within a non objective, emotionally driven, and corporate media influenced belief system and I don't have the energy and patience to try to retrieve you from same.

It has been the same with Sars-CoV-2. In your world, there is a fight between the good/positive side aka the liberals/democrats/progressives and the evil, ignorant side aka the republicans, right, conservative, etc, and everything, everything is all about this fight.

Just remember than in the Milgram and various other similar psychological experiments that have been done on manipulating human perception and action by authority or in relation to power urges, there is always a majority that goes along with and doesn't rebel/question it. Notice how you are part of the majority right now.

posted March 01, 2022 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Just one? You think there was just one? There were also white supremacists starting fires and breaking windows, destroying things in the BLM protests. They were trying to make things worse.

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False.

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/ne ws/texas-man-jonathan-frost-pleads-guilty-to-plot-to-attack-us-power-grids-to-promote-white-supremacy-13484404

Think Big': Texas Man Pleads Guilty in White Supremacist Plot to Attack Power Grids, Feds Say

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"Feds say"

posted March 01, 2022 10:50 PM              

I don't want to, and don't mean to take it out on you, but I kind of have recently.

I'm going to take a break from political stuff for at least a bit till I am more centered and less stressed.

posted March 01, 2022 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Thank you for the outline and reply. Ultimately, I'm far more interested in and pay attention to actual observation, experiential knowledge and experience, than beliefs via traditional dogmas or the like. Like for example, I've repeatedly seen Jupiter more closely conjunct the Asc correlated with increased height in both males and females.
One of the few exceptions I make to this general rule of thumb and practice is the Edgar Cayce work, because it is really a quite unique, unusual, and extraordinary work/collection of data.

But lets use some holistic logic for a moment, divorced of all dogma, both ancient and modern: "Signs" (and constellations in general) are essentially imaginary. Humans all around the globe have made connections between various Stars and Star systems and have assigned different symbols and images to them. Problem is, while these are found around the globe, there are major differences between different cultures and parts of the globe as to the specific symbolism and meaning, and even the images themselves (look at Mayan, Incan, Chinese, etc systems).

It is to some extent, the projection of that cultures consciousness onto the heavens. What is within, gets projected to without.

So just because one uses an updated, moving "Zodiac" doesn't really mean a whole lot when it is all imaginary and somewhat arbitrary to begin with.

According to Cayce's guidance this all changed about 12, 500 years ago when the original part of the Great Pyramid was being constructed. An unusual and very psychic person named Ra Ta was born as a virgin birth (not a pure Spirit conception like Yeshua, but an ET conception though). He wanted to and did create (more so realize) a universal, archetypal system, and as he was one who communed with both the gods (advanced, positive ETS) and God/Creator/Source (or whatever one wants to call It), he had a lot of help in forming his system of astrology. It wasn't just a projection of his culture (or ego) onto the heavens in other words, it was a more objective and accurate system.

Anyways, we'll get back to him and Egypt later on. The Tropical Zodiac on the other hand is aligned/fixed to the seasons. What do you think actually affects/influences humans more in a collective sense, the change of the seasons here on earth in relation to its orbit and tilt to the Sun, or some imaginary lines between different Stars and Star systems and Galaxies that we call "Constellations" (of which we can find numerous different versions)?

Obviously the actual seasons and orbit around the Sun and tilt of the Earth is what affects people the most (and yes, I know there is a difference between Northern and Southern hemisphere with this, but the same thing is happening to the entire earth, though the tilt affects the halves differently. And lets face it, almost all major world influencing civilizations have been in the northern hemisphere. These changes still happen at the same times for peoples above and below the equator, and that's the important point).

India, Indians, and/or those people really into that culture, I've noticed, like to think that they are one of the oldest and wisest on the block with their ancient knowledge and traditions (human ego), and while they are one of these, they are not the most, though perhaps the oldest surviving from a particular locale. Again, I go back to Cayce's work and my own intuitive explorations and communication with guidance for this.

According to a combo of these, India was extremely influenced at that 10, 500 B.C. time by the Egyptians and thus by the teacher Ra Ta who had formulated his own more universal and objective version of astrology with a lot of help from going within and communing with the Creative Forces.

But Ra Ta was not an arrogant and exceptionalist or separatist type--he had humility, and very much believed in Oneness of the Whole and he knew that he was not at the pinnacle of spiritual evolution though more mature than most humans at the time. At one point, he invited all the wise people from around the globe for talks and communing, because he wanted their help with other systems of philosophy/metaphysics/spirituality. Spiritual teachers/leaders from all the lands, including Saneid from India, folks from Atlantis, and various lands heeded the call and these meetings/communing did happen. According to Cayce's guidance, this period/cycle was one of the most important and momentous that has happened in the earth with humans ever (and his guidance had the complete picture perspective).

Then, these various representatives brought these codified systems (which they individually all had some hand in shaping) back to their own lands and peoples, which ultimately were pretty strongly influenced by Ra Ta and Egypt (Ra Ta himself was somewhat ironically not a native Egyptian, but emigrated there in his 20's). In other words, ultimately, India and some of her most ancient beliefs and traditions were heavily influenced by Egypt, as well as other lands/cultures.

But other influences and sharing happened later on, between various other groups. Over time, Egypt's spiritual light and knowledge started to dim and distort, and new cultures arose to carry the mantle of wayshower, in different astrological ages since that Virgo/Leo cusp time. At one point there were the Persians, the Babylonians, Greeks, the Hebrews, etc, and they all influenced each other to some extent, including India to some extent, but the one consistent influence between all of them, was that original Egyptian which was very influenced/shaped by Ra Ta so many centuries before. (Whom btw, this source said came to this 3rd dimension of physical earth from the nonphysical dimension that the Sun represents/symbolizes, which they called the "infinity forces").

The Arabic and Greek cultures in particular were very strongly influenced by the Egyptian and her ancient knowledge. I think they had realized something fundamental about all this, what I outlined to you before, that the Solar orbit and tilt and seasonal change times were more important to this whole thing than imaginary lines in space and arbitrary constellations.

So they sought to bring it back to Ra Ta's original form and fixed it to the seasons.

I will say that the one thing that Sidereal is superior for, as to accuracy, is when it comes to collective events that affect large numbers of people. But when it comes to the individual psyche, well its fitting that the smaller perspective of the Earth-Sun relationship works better, vs the larger cosmos which works better for the collective. Very fitting in a poetic, and holistic logic way.

(Note, while Egyptian astrology did become Sidereal based at some point, like the Indian, I don't think it was originally that way, and again I mentioned the Arabic and Greek people bringing it back to the original).

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Sidereal describes people perfectly when you incorporate things such as placement of house rulers and nakshatras. Not only is sidereal better at describing individuals, it's also simpler. I have demonstrated this perfectly in my observations of individuals on this forum: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/011620.html

Anyways, you can't isolate people to aspects to their ASC, though that does factor into appearance. Nakshatras and Atmakarakas also affect appearance, specifically in regards to Sun/Moon/ASC. If Jupiter made people tall, Kanye West(Jupiter-heavy) would be taller than 5'8.

posted March 02, 2022 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Lilithsquared:
Ukraine*

Algol IS known as the malefic fixed star.

I thought Mars may conjunct Pluto before all out war but that is yet to come :fun:

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The question is, who's the more "malefic" party in this scenario? Depends who you ask, I guess.

As for Russia Vs the rest of Nato countries - the truth is most of the western world has been too de-balled, rendered insane and delusional, and turned basically into dumbed down, hyper-poisoned weaklings. If anything goes down, the west will lose, guaranteed. Which means we absolutely do not want full on ww3 and we need to take care of our own sht.

posted March 03, 2022 11:48 AM              

In same he has Cancer Asc with ruling Planet, the Moon, in Pisces. Both of these Signs are average to shorter than average Asc archetypes. Particularly so Cancer--it, along with Cap, are perhaps the shortest of the Archetypes with Cancer being a bit more so since it is more Yin than Capricorn.

Pisces is typically closer to average height to slightly below unless very modified.

In tropical/western systems, there is a nice harmony with nature, in that the Yang Signs tend to be the taller Signs, and the Yin Signs tend to be the shorter, just like men on average are taller than women on average.

Pisces though, is probably the second "tallest", after Virgo, of the Yin Signs. That is because of two things. Pisces is only slightly Yin polarized and it is co-ruled by expansive/expanding Jupiter.

But something I think that both western and Vedic can agree on, is that Planets are stronger than Signs when highlighted and so these archetypes can be greatly modified from their norm by the Planets.

K. West's chart doesn't have much modification going on with his Asc.

In western systems, his Jupiter isn't that strong just because it is conjunct his Sun. In his chart, it is at best, moderately highlighted (helped some by Pisces Moon as well). Mars (and then Venus 2nd), appears to be his predominant Planet. This is indicated by Mars being in the 10th closest Planet to his MC, the MC is ruled by Mars, Mars is very closely cusping its own sign of Aries, and Mars is closely conjunct an Angle ruler.

Mars predominant fits him far better than Jupiter predominant. There is a world of difference between these two Planets. Mars is far more ego centered, narcissistic, aggressive and slow vibratory than Jupiter which tends towards the ennobling, spiritual, service oriented, good natured/tolerant, caring, etc.

K. West very clearly has a narcissistic personality which fits that very strong, predominant Mars.

Venus is strong too, and shows up in that he is in the musical-creative profession, likes to "sing" (rap), seems to be strongly focused on relationships, and I suppose he can be nice and charming when he wants to be. Also has attracted money to himself.

Pluto is next strongest after these since it is Angular and square the Asc (along with the strong Mars, further indicating a self centered, self sensitive, but dynamic attunement).

Then Saturn as it is the closest approaching Planet to the Asc (and rules an Angle), though in the 2nd.

Then down the line, Jupiter. But since we have 3 malefics (Mars, Pluto, and Saturn) highlighted above Jupiter, Jupiter will not tend to express as positively as it could, and more so indicate excess, exaggeration, proselytizing over much, and overdoing things (i.e. the dark side of Jupiter). And actually, Uranus (a semi malefic, semi benefic) might be stronger than Jupiter since it is Angular as well.

All in all, his chart indicates a personality that tends to somewhere in between the narcissistic to malignant narcissistic, but with strong creative impetus.

If his Vedic chart outlines/indicates he is Jupiter predominant or even just Jupiter heavy, well it is plain completely wrong. He is not a Jupitarian type, and Jupitarians tend to be much faster vibratory in attunement. They have some ego, but it nowhere near the level of Mars.

It is like comparing the colors of red to that of purple when they are strong in the human aura. Red is very Mars aligned/correlated and purple is very Jupiter aligned/correlated.

They are literally at the opposite ends of the spectrum of frequency and wavelength. Red being the slowest and longest and violet and purple being the fastest and shortest. But purple does have "some" red in it, but is counter balanced by the spiritual blue vibration.

I have met red aura predominant people and I have met purple predominant people and there is a world of difference between them. The only thing they have in common is physical vitality, strong will, passion, and Yang polarization (only slightly in Jupiter and purples case). But everything else is quite different. The people with purple predominant auras are far more spiritually attuned, far more focused on positive service to others, far more aware of the importance and necessity of divine Love, and have a far more universal oriented consciousness.

posted March 04, 2022 10:06 AM              

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Originally posted by teasel:
I see JP Sears has come out as pro-Putin, to continue making money from those who don’t like the MSM. I don’t see how he is any better. He’s a “comedian” who twists things for his own purposes, and makes a lot of money from those who insist that they think for themselves, when they’re only listening to people who push whatever ideology they believe in.

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Could it be that JP just has different perceptions than you, and it's not something nefarious and greed based?

Did you ever see his video supporting the BLM movement--not necessarily the official organization, but the general spirit and point of the movement (i.e. protecting/supporting people who are black in relation to police violence)?

Does that sound/seem like someone who is completely brainwashed by and only ever appealing to the right side of things?

I think what JP's issue is, is that he has very strong Aries in his chart, and at some point, he realized he needed to integrate the opposite--Libra to become more whole and balanced, but he sometimes takes it to the extreme, especially when that strong Aries also kicks back in.

Meaning, he originally comes from a more progressive and liberal background and leaning
, but has come to see that right leaning common people have started to become marginalized and ostracized by big tech corporations, most of corporate media, etc, and he feels a need to protect and include them. Meanwhile, also feeling a need to speak truth to power.

While I don't agree with everything he says by a long stretch, I get the sense that he has a good heart overall and isn't just trying to make a living off of people.

Most people are complex Teasel. It is easy to try to paint them simple in black and whites, but with most people, it just doesn't work. Only ASPD, and to a lesser extent, malignant narcissists, can be painted in black and whites accurately. And most people aren't in those categories/on those spectrum's.

It's why that even though I vehemently and very strongly disagree with you on some very big and important topics, that I can still recognize/perceive/understand and sense that you have a good heart all in all. Oh, it is tempting to my ego to just white wash you in super simplistic, black and white, super fixed judgmental labels of, "she's just a so and so" and not look deeper and see that you do mean well.

posted March 04, 2022 12:52 PM            

I belive that US is at the end of a cicle where it will be transformed and the role that it now plays on a global level will change.

And the propaganda is just propaganda, who believes the media anymore?

I think it's important to keep our balance on personal level, not to start and fight wars. As you said, what is happening can't be stopped with prayer or meditation or anything really, because it's a part of our Path. Hopefully it will take us on the next level and not in more destruction.

posted March 04, 2022 03:36 PM              

Hi Deep Blue, thank you for sharing your friend's thoughts and your thoughts on the matter, as well as that intense dream guidance message (and yes, very interesting timing on that).

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people that do listen a fair amount to corporate media, especially if they strongly identify with a particular political side i.e. either left or right.

Don't know if it completely relates, but I've had several dreams where I'm being attacked by zombie type humans or the like, and in these dreams, I go deep within and contact/connect with something far more powerful than myself, and I go around sharing that with these various zombie people and it converts them into normal, aware humans. Talk about a dream message.

posted March 04, 2022 07:00 PM            

My guess is that key dates will be when:

- transit Saturn gets on Russia's progr. Dsc - 2nd half of March

(This theme is doubled by progr. Sun conjunct progr. Saturn in a year in the 7th house; Sun 1R, Saturn 6R & 7R - no idea how to interpret, could be kind of a marriage or divorce aspect; or emergence of overt enemies)

- transit South Node on Russia's progr. Pluto and natal Venus - mid-April

- transit South Node on Russia's natal Pluto square Asc - June

Here I have a difficulty to interpret South Node - is it deprivation of nuclear power?

What is screaming of war:
- progr. Moon exact square progr. Mars, just passed square to Nodes and heading to square Neptune, Uranus and progr. Vertex
- progr. Asc square natal Pluto - exact if to shift Asc 1* ahead
- in a year progr. Asc square natal Venus & progr. Pluto

Revolution aspect:
- progr. Vertex on Uranus
- progr. Moon square Uranus & Vertex upcoming (beginning of April)
- progr. Moon square progr. Uranus & natal Neptune (first half of May)

But progr. Moon aspects will pass fast. So by Moon alone square to Mars the war shouldn't last long. A more long-term aspect is Asc square Pluto.