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Topic: Roe Vs Wade Chart (22 January 1973)
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Belage
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posted June 25, 2022 01:37 PM
  
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I think the venus in cap conjunct nn. Women taking their lives into their own hands and coming into more power over ourselves in general.
I hadn't thought about that. It is a valid interpretation, and I am going to go with it for a moment. Looking at other aspects to same Venus, we see exact square from Chiron (indicating wounded feminine), and tight quincunx from Capricorn ruler, Saturn, the planet of limitations and responsibility. So I have to ask, if this is indeed where the CHOICE manifests itself, how much of this choice is a result of unhealed wounds, and lack of responsibility... After all, only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape and incest. The overwhelming majority of pregnancies seeking abortion are from consensual sexual incidents... HOWEVER, since there is another being involved, whether we call it fetus/baby etc..., that is directly affected by the CHOICE, I am not seeing it reflected in this aspect, unless I am missing something... So I am not sure this aspect reflects or can account for the CHOICE component. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 25, 2022 01:41 PM
Looking at the unusual ascendant, 29 degrees of Pisces, the last degree of the last sign of the zodiac, it indicates some sacrifice has to be made...ETA: Chart ruler, Jupiter in its fall or debilitated in Capricorn. Other chart ruler Neptune, conjunct wild woman Lilith, and loosely conjunct Mars in Libra... IP: Logged |
Fromashell
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posted June 25, 2022 02:27 PM
The right of choice (Chiron) concerning your own body (Lunar Nodes). Law broken with transit Uranus Chiron Nessus. And it is a Chiron return, dealing with our humanity, and it seems to be putting a light on what is humane, from different angles. How humanfriendly is this world, really? IP: Logged |
Fromashell
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posted June 25, 2022 02:27 PM
With body I also mean body-mind-soul or life path.IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted June 25, 2022 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I hadn't thought about that. It is a valid interpretation, and I am going to go with it for a moment. Looking at other aspects to same Venus, we see exact square from Chiron (indicating wounded feminine), and tight quincunx from Capricorn ruler, Saturn, the planet of limitations and responsibility. So I have to ask, if this is indeed where the CHOICE manifests itself, how much of this choice is a result of unhealed wounds, and lack of responsibility... After all, only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape and incest. The overwhelming majority of pregnancies seeking abortion are from consensual sexual incidents... HOWEVER, since there is another being involved, whether we call it fetus/baby etc..., that is directly affected by the CHOICE, I am not seeing it reflected in this aspect, unless I am missing something... So I am not sure this aspect reflects or can account for the CHOICE component.
Possibly the Pluto in libra 7th house. It's squaring venus and nn opening up women to the hard CHOICE of abortion, Pluto in this case. Libra is about checks and balances you vs me and in this chart it's very fitting. Pluto also makes a trine with the sun and mercury, changing the way we think about abortion and the right to have one in a positive manner. The progressed chart is very interesting, I'll post it in a bit. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted June 25, 2022 05:16 PM
And also Belage, abortions happen for numerous reasons so I don't think the chiron square has anything to do with specific women with unhealed wounds, I think the square to venus was the wound of oppression, which women have and still do suffer all over the world. It is in the first house after all. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted June 25, 2022 05:45 PM
Progressed chart it won't let me post it 🤷♀️IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 27, 2022 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Possibly the Pluto in libra 7th house. It's squaring venus and nn opening up women to the hard CHOICE of abortion, Pluto in this case. Libra is about checks and balances you vs me and in this chart it's very fitting. Pluto also makes a trine with the sun and mercury, changing the way we think about abortion and the right to have one in a positive manner. The progressed chart is very interesting, I'll post it in a bit.
Makes more sense. I like this interpretation. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 27, 2022 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
And also Belage, abortions happen for numerous reasons so I don't think the chiron square has anything to do with specific women with unhealed wounds, I think the square to venus was the wound of oppression, which women have and still do suffer all over the world. It is in the first house after all.
Yes, you are correct that abortions happen for numerous reasons. However, the statistics show that rape and incest, which are usually brought up as reasons to legalize abortion for all, actually account for a very small portion of all abortions.
First house Chiron would indicate a wounded person, and even an architect of her own wound. Calling it a wound from oppression, that I am not sure, as Chiron does not symbolize oppression, but the wounded healer, or a wound that does not go away. Oppression from an astrological standpoint would be more a factor of adverse Saturn, Pluto, or even Mars aspects.
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Dons2angelss
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posted June 27, 2022 08:31 PM
Why it won't let me post the progressed chart I don't understand but Saturn is conjunct the ascendant with mars conjunct the nn in capricorn 8th house. That is extremely telling to me. Moon in cancer on the sn 2nd house.
If you look at the natal of rvw and compare it to the progressed chart, it's just astounding to me how we went from venus conjunct nn in cap 10th house, women taking a stand in society as our own representation to Mars now on the nn in cap 8th house. Masculinity going behind closed doors oppressing the rights women fought for (saturn on the ascendant) IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted June 27, 2022 08:50 PM
And I think when most people think of rape, they're picturing a grown woman being forced into sex. That's probably why you think it's not that prevalent (more prevalent than you think, statistics are there) but you may be forgetting about the hundreds of thousands if not millions of young girls in this country being subjected to molestation and rape by men they know. One in every 3 girls, by the time she reaches 18, has had at least one assault encounter. One in every 6 boys btw. Sexual predation is a massive and I mean MASSIVE problem around the world. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 28, 2022 12:39 AM
In addition, thinking about rape people don’t think about non-consensual sex in relationships and under influence of substance abuse what is hard to prove. IP: Logged |
Suspended_Matter
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posted July 02, 2022 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I'd like to see this chart overlapping America's chart and how the progressions are being played out right now.
Hi Dons2angelss, The United States' horoscope shows the progressions on June 24, 2022 - the date in which the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe. V. Wade. June 24, 2022. When you look at the nature of these planets, the houses they affect, and the aspect present, they match up what the U.S. has been going through in terms of politics and madness (an attribute of Mars). The progressed to natal and progressed to progressed aspects were/are as follows: Progressed Mars in 10th house (ruler of natal 5th) contraparallel natal MC/parallel natal IC: 4 minutes Progressed Venus in 5th house (ruler of natal 11th house of sociological ideas/ideologies, ideals, hopes, wishes and changes affecting the masses - the cultural or social influences affecting the mindsets of the masses) contraparallel natal Moon (ruler of 8th house which affects the belongings, assets, and rights of others - physical, mental, and material): 2 minutes Progressed Venus sextile natal Venus: 2 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Venus: 0 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Mars: 3 minutes Progressed MC trine progressed Neptune: 8 minutes Progressed Venus opposition progressed Saturn: 9 minutes Here is the link to the chart: https://ibb.co/B228hYV ------------------
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Suspended_Matter
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posted July 02, 2022 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I'd like to see this chart overlapping America's chart and how the progressions are being played out right now.
Hi Dons2angelss,
The United States' horoscope shows the progressions on June 24, 2022 - the date in which the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe. V. Wade. June 24, 2022. When you look at the nature of these planets, the houses they affect, and the aspect present, they match up what the U.S. has been going through in terms of politics and madness (an attribute of Mars). The progressed to natal and progressed to progressed aspects were/are as follows: Progressed Mars in 10th house (ruler of natal 5th) contraparallel natal MC/parallel natal IC: 4 minutes Progressed Venus in 5th house (ruler of natal 11th house of sociological ideas/ideologies, ideals, hopes, wishes and changes affecting the masses - the cultural or social influences affecting the mindsets of the masses) contraparallel natal Moon (ruler of 8th house which affects the belongings, assets, and rights of others - physical, mental, and material): 2 minutes Progressed Venus sextile natal Venus: 2 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Venus: 0 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Mars: 3 minutes Progressed MC trine progressed Neptune: 8 minutes Progressed Venus opposition progressed Saturn: 9 minutes Here is the link to the chart: https://ibb.co/B228hYV ------------------
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Randall
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posted July 05, 2022 04:14 PM
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Randall
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posted July 16, 2022 12:27 PM
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Dons2angelss
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posted July 18, 2022 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Suspended_Matter:
Hi Dons2angelss,The United States' horoscope shows the progressions on June 24, 2022 - the date in which the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe. V. Wade. June 24, 2022. When you look at the nature of these planets, the houses they affect, and the aspect present, they match up what the U.S. has been going through in terms of politics and madness (an attribute of Mars). The progressed to natal and progressed to progressed aspects were/are as follows: Progressed Mars in 10th house (ruler of natal 5th) contraparallel natal MC/parallel natal IC: 4 minutes Progressed Venus in 5th house (ruler of natal 11th house of sociological ideas/ideologies, ideals, hopes, wishes and changes affecting the masses - the cultural or social influences affecting the mindsets of the masses) contraparallel natal Moon (ruler of 8th house which affects the belongings, assets, and rights of others - physical, mental, and material): 2 minutes Progressed Venus sextile natal Venus: 2 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Venus: 0 minutes Progressed Pluto contraparallel natal Mars: 3 minutes Progressed MC trine progressed Neptune: 8 minutes Progressed Venus opposition progressed Saturn: 9 minutes Here is the link to the chart: https://ibb.co/B228hYV
It's very very interesting to say the least. Quite a bit of oppression and deciet going on. With the 8th house being involved I got a feeling of a behind closed doors kind of vibe. I don't see this being an issue that was "solved" because of "moral values" but rather because a hidden agenda at play. The mars on nn in cap 8th house really gave me a bad feeling. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted July 25, 2022 05:17 PM
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Randall
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posted August 03, 2022 01:47 PM
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teasel
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posted August 03, 2022 05:58 PM
I don’t have a chart for Kansas, but they overwhelmingly voted to keep abortion rights. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 13, 2022 05:09 PM
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Randall
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posted August 24, 2022 02:59 PM
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teasel
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posted September 13, 2022 01:53 AM
After decades of saying that abortion should be left up to the States, republicans are going to try to pass a national abortion ban, at fifteen weeks. I heard about this tonight, just in case anyone wants to be alert to a time for a chart. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted September 13, 2022 04:01 PM
Republicans not only want a national abortion ban, they want to make it the law that ten-year-olds are having sex consensually. If a child wants an abortion, they want documentation that the child was raped. These people are sick. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted September 16, 2022 02:04 AM
http://www.sacurrent.com/news/as-voters-key-in-on-abortion-texas-delays-release-of-new-maternal-death-data-until-after-midterms-29848663?media=AMP+HTML
As voters key in on abortion, Texas delays release of new maternal death data until after midterms
'There are a lot of us that want to know whether or not pregnancy in Texas is a death sentence,' one Democratic lawmaker said. IP: Logged |
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