posted July 16, 2022 07:22 PM            

There's also women who want to sit in their 'feminity'and be married and that's fine. There's no right or wrong to whatever they choose, but now at least we can make decisions on our own.

Now a days we have to work because of how much more expensive everything is, relying on one person do provide in this economy is rather cruel. If you have a partner both parties should be helping eachother out so one isn't burnt out and exhausted. Especially if you're in a lower social class that just wont work out.

Prices have sky rocketed, I'm paying 2600 for a 3 bedroom apartment, I need other people to help pay because making that much money by myself is impossible. We all work, clean the house and coexist, if one doesn't work someone would be overloaded with far too much work for anyone.

posted July 16, 2022 10:19 PM            

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Sure there were women who were happy being traditional, but there were also many who did NOT enjoy it. There's no super woman act that they're trying to force us to into, we now can CHOOSE to be independent or marry someone or marry someone and be independent at the same time.

Now a days we have to work because of how much more expensive everything is, relying on one person do provide in this economy is rather cruel. If you have a partner both parties should be helping eachother out so one isn't burnt out and exhausted. Especially if you're in a lower social class that just wont work out.

But the fact that so many women wanted to break free from that mold to the extent that there were multiple movements dedicated to it speaks words.

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Didn't you say that you weren't even aware that for centuries women were seen as "the prize" to be courted & provided for? But now... you suddenly *know* that most of them were unhappy with these traditions? Lol.

Many women today are INDEED trying to be "Independent Superwomen" and it's destroying them, their kids & their relationships. It's a hot mess. 💯 And that whole "both sexes have both energies" rhetoric is truly a copout. We all have a *primary* energy that is our default. And a secondary one that we are able to access when needed. It's NOT an equal split usually.

So it's "cruel" to ask a man to provide for his family? But it's "empowering" for a woman to provide in his place? That makes absolutely NO sense. 🤷🏾‍♀️ You know what's cruel? Encouraging women to pursue & marry weak males who don't pull their weight. It's cruel to ask a woman to go 50/50 on bills when *most* men will expect her to do majority of the cleaning, cooking & child-rearing all while looking gorgeous & sexing the husband like a p*rnstar. 🙄 THAT scenario benefits the man FAR more than it benefits her! Women are burnt out. Yet modern feminists are out here convincing droves of gullible young women that *this* is what they should be striving for.

It's f**ked up.

If your city is too expensive - move somewhere more affordable. People do it all the time. 👍🏾 I'm not paying $2600 to live in a CLOSET.

Your average woman is NOT happy on her job, feels overworked & underappreciated. Younger ones are swimming in student loan debt for a career that failed to truly take off; She only gets asked on "Netflix & Chill" dates and is always getting ghosted by men after sleeping with them right away; She has no real hobbies outside of being an SJW; She feels unloved, unattractive & unworthy of better because she's been taught to SETTLE for less. Pretending to be "so strong" is making her depressed & exhausted.

Many of the middle-aged married ones haven't even screwed their husbands AT ALL within the past year. 🤷🏾‍♀️ She lost sexual attraction to him long ago after watching him repeatedly sit on the couch w/ a bag of chips after they BOTH completed long days at work each night. Yet *she* still has several other "jobs" to finish once she gets home.

^^This is reality for too many women today.

posted July 17, 2022 04:53 AM            

I have though gone to college and taken various courses about Sociology and gender roles, I'm no Einstein but I retained some knowledge of history and the way society works. I also talk about this with people a lot, I find gender dynamics interesting because they can change depending on the culture and people can feel so strongly about them.

And yeah if someone is going 50/50 they should actually fulfill that role. Which is why I mentioned my living situation, if my roommates didn't also clean and help pay the bills then it would be unfair. This 'box' is the only option we have because of how sh*t the housing market is, I would rather live in a 'box' then on the streets because the latter option really sucks.

I think it's unfair to expect someone to only fulfill one role by themselves. Humans are social animals, we're supposed to live in communities where everyone helps out, forcing just two people to juggle what society shoves down our throats is determental to both parties.

I just see and hear a lot of complaints from both parties when it's a black and white structure of one being the provider and one taking care of the house. One person barely gets to rest because they're working their a** off to pay the bills and the other is going stirr crazy because they're trapped in the house all day. Keeping a house clean, especially with kids, is no joke and shouldn't be taken lightly and I don't think it should be just one person's job. Just as working fulltime as the sole provider puts a strain in the individual both mentally and physically. Balance is key.

posted July 17, 2022 06:14 AM            

The majority of women prefer to be partnered with men who make MORE money than they do or at least the same amount. So a woman "having her own" doesn't change that fact. Studies fully back this up. 💯 It's in our nature - whether we admit it or not. Repress it or release it.

Men at large are not leading absurdly stressful lives by working THE SAME 40 hours each week (to provide for his family) that he was going to work regardless to take care of HIMSELF. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Men are literally built to carry *heavier* loads than us. We are not the same and these "Gender Studies" courses are misleading people on this.

Your pity for them on this matter is largely unwarranted. Men are stronger than you have been taught. 💪 And when a woman *knows* this... they actually do more for her.

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yeah if someone is going 50/50 they should actually fulfill that role. Which is why I mentioned my living situation, if my roommates didn't also clean and help pay the bills then it would be unfair. This 'box' is the only option we have because of how sh*t the housing market is, I would rather live in a 'box' then on the streets because the latter option really sucks.

I think it's unfair to expect someone to only fulfill one role by themselves. Humans are social animals, we're supposed to live in communities where everyone helps out, forcing just two people to juggle what society shoves down our throats is determental to both parties.

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We're honestly in agreement about what 50/50 SHOULD look like. 👍🏾 What I'm discussing though is what 50/50 *actually* turns out to be in many, many marriages. In reality, most women will continue to be the primary caregiver & cleaner/cook of the home while hubby helps here & there. So why exactly should she be expected to pay HALF of the bills in this case?? She shouldn't - that's my point. As she's doing MORE than 50% at that point and he's getting it easy.

Nothing wrong at all with a woman *adding* money to the home or working. But that should not be her PRIMARY role. She can wear 'different hats' without losing focus on what matters the most.

Now if a woman is Single, childless, traveling the world, killing it in her career & content in that stage of her life?? THAT is totally different. 🥂 Spread your wings & fly!

And if I were faced with living on the street *or* paying $3000 to live in a box... I'd move to a different state with easier living. 👍🏾 But hey, that's just me. To each their own.

"It takes a village to raise a child" - they say. And that is true. 💜 Community is important! But our society has lost that (tradition), unfortunately. Along with several other helpful tools in favor of our "independence" obsession.

Again - Balance is what we actually needed. 💯 NOT role reversal & the work of Hercules put on our shoulders to prove our strength.

posted July 17, 2022 07:14 AM            

Men are stronger physically but that doesn't mean they should have to work 40+ hours, in a perfect world no one should. Honest question have you worked 40+ hours consistently? How about for a job requiring physical labor? No matter what your gender, your body is going to feel it. I worked a job that required 12+ hour work days and some days they didn't allow us breaks. Men and women worked there, changing oil in cars and it drained everyone physically and mentally. Imagine working there for years and how it would affect you. The military is worse. I don't pity them, I empathize because I've been there.

I've seen how women get men to do things for them, my sister does it to her fiancé, and sometimes women will try to do the same to me. It does seem automatic, and I feel like many don't even notice it. Other times it is very purposeful. I've seen one woman ask her bf how she is supposed to cut a pizza even though I have seen her cut one many times before. He did it for her, for me that's what I consider being lazy. And confusing.

Sometimes people really don't think they're capable of whatever they put their minds to. If you sit down and want to learn something you can, no matter what gender you are. It's all about your mindset and what you have available to teach you

posted July 17, 2022 08:17 AM            

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Men are stronger physically but that doesn't mean they should have to work 40+ hours, in a perfect world no one should. Honest question have you worked 40+ hours consistently? How about for a job requiring physical labor? No matter what your gender, your body is going to feel it. I worked a job that required 12+ hour work days and some days they didn't allow us breaks. Men and women worked there, changing oil in cars and it drained everyone physically and mentally. Imagine working there for years and how it would affect you. The military is worse. I don't pity them, I empathize because I've been there.

I've seen how women get men to do things for them, my sister does it to her fiancé. It does seem automatic, and I feel like many don't even notice it. Other times it is very purposeful. I've seen one woman ask her bf how she is supposed to cut a pizza even though I have seen her cut one many times before. He did it for her, for me that's what I consider being lazy. And confusing.

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Asking a man for help (even when you know how) has nothing to do with being lazy. And everything to do with fostering a bond. You're ultimately confused because you have zero experience with polarity & do not truly understand the psyche of Men. Again - they are NOT US. Their turn-ons are different.

Masculine Men LOVE feeling useful to an appreciative woman. ❤ They LOVE being her hero. They LOVE being looked up to & admired. It brings them joy!

I've had random male workers at grocery stores offer to run and get me a cart if my hands looked too full. Did I *need* a cart? NO. But I appreciated the gesture and told him "yes, that would be great". After he comes back from the *opposite side* of the store with my cart... I smile and thank him graciously. 😁 He smiles back at me filled with glee that he could assist me. We both brightened each others day!

Women were *literally* built to receive.

Many men WANT to give if you'd let them.

You look down on being receptive. You are embodying more Masculine Energy (likely due to harsh circumstances) instead of Feminine. This is why men aren't courting you or doing as much for you. NONE of this happens by chance - certain actions garner certain results. 💯 Many women today DO NOT understand the game and that's why they're losing.

I have no desire to work a hard-labor job. Most women don't and that's totally normal. 👍🏾 And "hard" or not - many men ENJOY building & tearing things down, figuring out how something works or how to fix what is broken. As these things cultivate their strength! Would they like to work LESS hours? I'm sure they would. Would they prefer not to keep butting heads with a**hole bosses and/or customers? Oh absolutely. We all would.

^^That's not a woman's job to solve for him though. 🤷🏾‍♀️

posted July 17, 2022 02:08 PM            

I'm not too concerned about being courted, especially if it's by a person who has this black and white way of thinking. I'm more then just a female, and feel vibrant in my energy whatever you want to label it.

posted July 17, 2022 04:50 PM            

You very clearly look down on women receiving and view it as lazy when it isn't. You're putting Femininity into a "weakness" box while asking others not to put you into a box.

I know full well that I'm "able to do anything" I want in life. *Receiving* is one of those things & just adds to my many layers. 💕 I know my power & my strength.

You are allowed to live your life in any way that you wish to. 👍🏾 No force here. We all have freedom of choice but not freedom from consequence.

posted July 17, 2022 06:02 PM            

I was curious about what you have read because you kept on mentioning research. There's a lot of information out there, so if you had found that on any specific research articles that have been peer reviewed I wanted to read it myself to see where you were coming from. If you feel so inclined it would be fantastic to have those links, but as you said I can do my own research so do what you want.