posted December 02, 2022 01:41 AM            

Leo Mars talks a lot of isht🤣. I mostly identify the big "show off" in the group as Leo Mars. Most times the males are peacocking and flexing. But it's all good. They fall in my 5th house so there is chemistry (admittedly) between us.

It's amazing sometimes how Mars/Asc in a sign(even Moon at times), can exemplify more aptly the Leo energy more than Sun there. It's so fascinating to me.

And I agree with you about Aqua Venus. But I have noticed that they tend to be more romantic if (for instance) they've known you within their circle of friends first, then they'll feel more comfortable to make moves on you.

This Venus can truly be the type to fall inlove with their friend. Moon/Sun too. So if you started off as a platonic friend, they may have more of a probability of catching feelings for you then if you started off strictly as a romantic partner with no friendship background.

In the latter case, they can be distant because in their minds they still want to get to know you from a strictly platonic level first before anything happens. This no matter how furiously you "burn" for them. They will not ease your agony.

So the latter can take time to build-as Saturn also rules Aqua. And if you are (like me) blessed with a Mars ruled Ven/Moon/Sun or other passionate placements that don't believe in a slow burn, they will frustrate you for so long that you would have long burned out your enthusiasm before they decide they actually like you🤷🏿‍♂️

I don't know how many Ven in Aqua people I have known who've have sex with their friends or within their circle of acquaintances. But unfortunately it usually doesn't work out to their favour because the respective individual only sees them "as a friend"(Irony!!!☝🏿 😏

So their philosophy of "friends before lovers " or "friends with benefits " can come back to bite them in the end because many are so cerebral with their love nature, that they miss the sparks in the initial meetings with someone.

Uranus aspected ones however, play out differently.This especially when on Ven/Moon/Sun or even Mars. Coz it's like they just "know" what's up. And when you meet those, the electricity between you and them is so palpable, that they won't let mental detachment get in the way of the physical insistence that they need to have you NOW.

Have i met these types? Yes. My Dad is one such Aqua Ven/Sun. Mom talks about how suddenly things escalated between them and I was conceived in the process.

posted December 06, 2022 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think the anger you feel may be coming from the clash with her Moon and Asc. It's more internal I think.

Since her Moon/Ven are on your Ic in Leo, you expect care from her. And since it wasn't forthcoming, Mars in opposition to both kicked in and you felt betrayed. This also since Mars is (I assume) ruling the 12thhouse.

The interesting bit with the husband speaks of 12thhouse anger. I think because Mars rules the 12th? So you may have contemplated "getting revenge" on her by causing pain through a more subversive means I.e. astral plane?

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Thank you, I need to look into these synastry challenges more. Especially since I am going to be Uranusing out and shocking people more and more. The older sibling is usually the more conforming one.

I was so shocked to find out she has a Leo Moon. But seeing the tight clash with her ASC makes so much sense why her Leo moon energy can seem so blocked but there. She has such an awesome fierce vampire lion look too with the big black curly hair. But then she is also self concisions about having big hair and usually straightens it. There are some mommy issues there though with my mom not knowing what to do with curly hair.

Yeah I felt insanely betrayed. I also never noticed that my Mercury Taurus 11 degrees opposes her 16 Venus sign. My stubborn Mercury was texting her back like "I'm not backing down, and I will block you" I have listened to her complain about so much stuff and vent with out judging her, while her husband tells her to keep it inside. She is my sister so I know that she's been keeping it inside for years and can't contain it anymore because I am kind of the same way.

We have been on speaking terms. When I got my health diagnosis at the hospital. I did not care about my family making me mad anymore. I was alone in the hospital. I just needed someone there for me to grieve about my health diagnosis.

Those "if my husband did that, I would be so mad." (having a bunch of Brazian fitness women in a man's sports likes on FB)

She complains that she can't seem to catch a break with her husband.
Well I have complained to my sister about having a higher drive than my husband.
She tells me I'm like the dude in the relationship.

I seriously started to wonder does this dynamic need to be in stable relationships? So much stability with my husband that I have never experienced before but such little passion it drove me nuts.

I did enjoy telling her that the physiatrist said I was fine, and that people just need to listen to me. I tried not to rub it in too bad.

When I was a kid I would sometimes slip up and call her mom when she took care of me.
I really did feel kicked when down by her last month. My family has had way more compassion when they realized how sick I was before I went to Urgent care. I know part of it is that she is just already so overstimulated from her own life. But insanely hurtful things were said. She's never experienced a break up from a long relationship. So it's hard for her to hear me have mood swings of being sad of it not working, but then talking like I don't care about him anymore.

Who would be the Mars in the 12th house energy?

That's a good point about the 12th house and hidden anger.

posted December 20, 2022 10:34 AM            

So Venus IN Sco may be the type to start arguments when they really want sex. So you(as the partner) must read between the lines and know what they really want.

Relationships must be eventful or have a certain level of emotional drama and/or excitement.

Maybe the Venus in Sco person has a partner who has an unstable life or is insecure? Or maybe the Ven IN Sco person is the unstable one with many insecurities?

That is why the Venus in Can or Pis can be so attractive to them.Both mentioned can be very melodramatic when on Venus. And the emotional up/down flow of the energies can have the Scorpio feel very "invested" in them.This even with the emotional drama of it all.

I recall my relationship with an ex Leo with Venus in Cancer as very intense. He was super emotional and prickly. And that kinda aroused me in many ways( admittedly). I didn't understand his emotional displays at the time.

And it's this "tennis" game of emotional back/forth that I think creates the intensity in Venus/Ven or Ven/Mars water relationships. There are little to no boundaries between the two. Many trigger points. And where there are trigger points, there is tension. And where there is tension, there is potential for greater intimacy( at least in Scorpios head).

Does that mean water placements on love planets Ven/Mars, Sun/Moon are " emotional sadists" or "masochists"? Perhaps. The energetic flow of feelings being reinvigorated by up/down motions within the relationship, can be seen as "passion" and "love".This is highly psychological ofcourse.

Sometimes I find myself drawn to someone who triggers my Moon IN cancer's need to care. So the individual may be messed up or have major issues. And I feel like I can "save" them or something.

Whether I get pulled into this vortex of emotional issues or enter it willingly, I find myself more attached to the outcome of the relationship and the person etc. Then say if I was attracted to someone more predictable.

In the latter instance, I am the one who brings the emotional drama to the relationship. The unconscious belief is that I am getting "deeper" with the partner and this can manifest through me starting arguments, being overly intense about things that are not that serious or being all prickly etc.

posted December 20, 2022 10:49 PM            

Generous of you to share your deep thoughts.

You went next level drawing distinctions with Aries and it was extra delicious.

posted December 21, 2022 01:08 PM            

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My mother in law has Venus in Scorpio, as well as Mars/Pluto conjunct. She is the powerhouse in her marriage/family/children and she also tries to powerhouse my marriage/family/children that cause lots of pain, lots of anger, and now I cut ties and let my husband know about it.

I had enough of manipulation around her actions. I had enough of boundaries violation. I had enough of accusations. I had enough of not healthy relationship. I don't care anymore how much psychological problems she has in her life, it doesn't mean she has the right to put my marriage, my family, and me in the pain too just for her own problems.

She has toxic relationship within her marriage, so she has this odd advice to her children, "no matter how bad the marriage is, you keep staying." The problem is, it seems all of her children has anger problems and toxic themselves.

When my husband hit me, pushed me to the wall, and tried to choke me when I was pregnant (his family in sudden told him about the probability that I didn't pregnant of his but someone elses so he came home angry and confronted me STUPIDLY, yeah, so STUPID that I asked him how he forgot that he was so posessive that I had never met anyone anymore but him) and repeated his actions after just a few days I gave birth (just because I wanted to fully breastfeeding my daughter for 6 months and refused to give her any cow milk which his Mother told him, his mother frustrated him by obsessively asking him if we had given the new baby born a cow milk and I kept refusing telling him the reason that it wasn't a good thing for our new born and there was no need to give her a cow milk until he blew up like we should obey his mother or something threaten his resources),

his parent told me, "well, that's marriage, everybody has that experience, it's a common thing". THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. They didn't even try to tell their son what he was doing was wrong (something what their kids watch in their marriage). They didn't even show emotions of sympathy or empathy when there was people in pain. They had push my limit, so I told them precisely, "my Father has never hit my Mother, I have never seen their marriage toxic, so not everybody has that experience."

Yeah, I cut ties, and I don't know how I'm still in this marriage, but it's more peaceful than before, although I know there's something my husband still hide about his thought and emotion about me cutting ties.

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Same, Im so over Scorpio Moons/Venus because of EVERYTHING you just said smh

posted December 22, 2022 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Great post Aries23Degrees.

Generous of you to share your deep thoughts.

You went next level drawing distinctions with Aries and it was extra delicious.

This helps me a lot to better understand Scorpio energy.

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posted December 23, 2022 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by SadalSuud211:
Same, Im so over Scorpio Moons/Venus because of EVERYTHING you just said smh

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It actually depends on how compatible are you with the other person.

Maybe for some people, they can handle them and choose to stay with them. Others just stop and choose to stay away because it becomes unhealthy and threaten their sanity (it doesn't mean you are weak or not deep just because you avoid emotional drama, it actually DEEPER than that if you really understand it).

Choosing to FORCE the other into what they want, into what they expect you to be, trying to control you, watching your every moves, for me, it's not healthy and that makes the relationship becomes a battle place (power struggles, ego, demands, anger, hate, revenge).

I don't hate, I choose to stay away, because that's not my battle and probably the incompatibility.

posted December 23, 2022 01:00 AM            

I actually think that if you get yourself involved with Sun/Moon/ Ven/Mars in water signs, there is some level of manipulation that you will be subjected to. But this is often not consciously done on the part of the natives with the placements in question. It's very psychological.

Sometimes I think there is a tendency to dramatize things as if one is living in a movie. As VenusianBull aptly put it on her YouTube videos, "Leo may be the Drama Queen/King . But Scorpio is the Trauma Queen/King".

Much like Aries, Sco can be addicted to the rush of adrenaline pumping. This especially when it comes to emotions. The belief (as stated in my earlier post) is that where there is a rush of emotions, there is an opportunity for deeper and more authentic bonding.

Scorpio is looking to be naked with you as quickly as possible. But how do you get naked with someone you just met? A stranger? By feeling such strong emotions that they defy reason or logic.

And that's what Sco can instantaneously feel at times i.e. "Lust at first sight" or strongly "fated" intense encounters that seem to just "come out of nowhere" with others etc. And the usually suspicious and guarded nature of Sco who leans on trust a lot, feels the wave of emotions in the moment so strong, that they too can gamble their defences away and defy reason/logic for the glory of intimacy/sex that is calling them NOW (Mars)

It would explain why some Scorpios appear so sexually rigid or "closed off", then you hear that they got it on with someone totally out of the blue. Whereas they denied someone else the same pleasure who has been pursuing them for months on end 🤷🏿‍♂️

Taurus is actually looking for the same level of trust and bonding. But Taurus is not about to revel in extreme situations or conditions to have it i.e. logic and reason rule over everything and unless the Taurus concerned has Mars/Uranus placements (or transit
aspects to personal planets), they want love to be regulated and slowly unfold. They don't "gamble" on it and can be quite surefooted in approach. Whilst Scorpio (ruled by Mars) feels a sense of urgency about it. That the bonding should happen NOW.

Sometimes I think that Sco enjoys the drama.To quote Black Eyed Peas in the song "Where is the love?" ,"there is an attraction to things that can bring the trauma". Why? Because for many, that is what they know and have associate with love (Ven).

Maybe life has subjected them to experience pain(Mars) from someone who professes to love them(Ven)? Or they have gone through a lot of pain with/for a loved one? So the idea of "love" can become warped or readily associated with pain/sacrifice I.e. "I love you and can kill for you." Etc.

And if they find themselves with the sadistic type of self-denying Capricorn (who'll enjoy playing this game of "I love you. But I will deny you love.") The two can be embroiled in a hurt me/ hurt you affair that regurgitates or continuously activates pain and issues of abandonment in their pairing. Sort of like "trauma bonding".

The Mars influence on this Venus placement (together with Aries) brings a certain level of either quiet or overt violence to the mix. And if you have a history of violence in relationships, are drawn to the adrenaline rush of angry emotions, have intense feelings that make you want to strangle someone you love etc. whatever your Venus is, Sco Venus may become irresistible to you. As there is something quite addictive of the "pain in love" mix that they can give you.

But if you can clearly dissociate love from pain. You will see them as "troublesome". If you avoid Mars contacts in love ,they will not have a grip on you.Because even the more healthier ones I find, still have the ability to evoke strong feelings in others . So if you prefer to stay in the mild area of love, even these types will feel very uncomfortable.

I recall meeting a Taurus Venus with no contacts to Pluto or Mars. And as we interacted, I realized that I made him uncomfortable with my "probing " question which to me at the time, were "normal".

We didn't bond much thereafter. Just two passing ships in the dead of night . And so the adversarial relationship that is often talked of in opposition contacts, was missing here. I felt no need to further associate with him. And my guess is that he felt the same too.

The more intense connections (or oppositional contacts) that are described between Taurus and Scorpio however, is when the two have Mars/Pluto contacts. Because if you want to fight (opposition) with someone and consider them your adversary, you have to have something in common with them that puts you INSIDE the ring. Therein lies the rub. ☝🏿