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Lara
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posted May 05, 2009 09:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ps. MVM

Interesting that you say that mastery = stagnation.

Have you ever got to a place where you are so good at something it just flows and you no longer have to "think" at all?

This is l guess kinda a taste of what happens at mastery. Far from stagnant, it's more of a release l think. imho.

You see this is the thing - LIMITATION is actually what you are doing right NOW to prevent mastery over anything, including your own life. (no, it's not personal!)

How do you know you would get bored if you reached perfection? Is it your mind telling you that you will be bored? convincing you, to stop you ever reaching perfection?
ahahaha

you see how MINDSET is so important.

I think i'm gonna become a life coach


hehehe the journey is always more interesting than the destination. When we reach the destination we reflect and continue onto a new journey. It's never ending.

Why are we bothering in this life if we don't seek some kind of fulfillment through mastery? hmmm

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MyVirgoMask
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posted May 05, 2009 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do believe in mastery, the process of it. I do know what it's like to be completely in the flow of my craft. I never said mastery was stagnation. I said the concept of perfection was. There is a difference. Mastery is a process.

But you climb a mountain, and then you reach the peak, and then what? Stay there? Not me. I'd stay for the day and go elsewhere.

I'm talking in theory....In general I have no problems with mastering something; it's my spiritual bread n butter. I like working for it.

I'm not limited in my thinking.
I'm just saying by nature we always reach for the reset button to start all over again. I don't view that as limitation, I view it as challenge.
And who determines that we are masters, anyway? Besides ourselves?

So we agree then, that the process itself is really of the utmost importance. That's what I've been saying all along too.

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eve
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posted May 06, 2009 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM -

Aww, thanks.

Intuition is the perfect ( ) word for it.

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eve
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posted May 06, 2009 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG -

The Navy probably would've aggravated my nasty side. I like to sleep in.

Yin might have the astro combo you're looking for. I remember her saying she's a Sag Sun with a busy 8th house.

About whether an individual's potential is limited or unlimited...I think individuality implies limitation. At any time, who you are is defined just as much by who you aren't. Unlimited, you'd cease to be you. You'd become some god-like wholeness.

Maybe there is a spark of the infinite in everything and everyone. (My Sun-Neptune cnj insists there is. And I suspect your Venus-Neptune cnj plays a part in you pondering the possibility of unlimited potential.) I don't see that spark as making an individual unlimited, though. To exist as a person is to live out a finite part of the infinite, with our individuality giving us our personal role and purpose.

I tend to think we're simultaneously limited and unlimited, and that the limited part of ourselves (our individuality) provides the filter through which we experience the unlimited.

Thinking about this is fun. Reading it may not be.

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Lara
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posted May 06, 2009 02:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so what exactly IS limited about ourselves then.

I see nothing limited about myself, except for my ex husband LOL

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AcousticGod
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posted May 06, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have written that about my friend, because it really does warrant explanation. He is a good guy... it's just the defense mechanisms he's built to insulate himself from harm that come across as mean. He was a runt with terrible eyesight growing up (glasses that reveal as much), so he uses his mental agility and verbosity to ensure his place amongst the alpha males. His ultra-sensitivity is his catalyst for being competitive or better with everyone.

As for Sags...I pretty much like all of you. I'm just curious what the best combination to get along with me would be. My synastry efforts are quite a bit wider, and more generalized than most women's. I'm not interested in every asteroid or anything. Just keeping it simple, because ultimately in the end there is no perfection. There might be some potentials that are better than others.

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eve
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posted May 10, 2009 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara -

quote:
so what exactly IS limited about ourselves then.

Jeesh Lara, haven't you ever seen "Wicked"?

I'm limited
Just look at me -- I'm limited
And just look at you -
You can do all I couldn't do, LARA
So now it's up to you
For both of us - Now it's up to you...

Our individuality is limited. This limitation chisels us to a specific destiny and purpose. Throughout life, we experiment with various potentials, tossing away the tepidly true for the scaldingly true.

I think we feel that fire when we're most in tune with ourselves because in that same moment, we're most in tune with what God/the divine/the infinite wants with us.

How we're limited: The script, so to speak, that is ourselves is fixed. We can see this limitation in astrology. You are an Aries Moon and Venus. Try to turn yourself into a Libra Moon and Venus. It's not going to happen. Even if you adopt that perspective, it's you interpreting how a Libra Moon is. You can't will yourself to erase what you are. Nor should you!

How we're unlimited: I think we're allowed a freedom with what we do with that script. Read a script with a different technique, and its meaning can become something new. Likewise, as we grow, we are co-creators of ourselves, expressing our charts in new ways. That creativity and masterful use of our own identity is perhaps unlimited, but the material we're working with is not.

I'm not a pessimist. Our limited potential is not something defeating to me. Quite the contrary! It's what gives our lives meaning and purpose. It's what allows us to fit in the world like a jig-saw, giving & receiving, and feeling the unlimited potential that is in the world as a unified being. It's what allows us to feel the divine, in need of our particular self.

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eve
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posted May 10, 2009 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG -

Don't worry about feeling you didn't do your friend justice. I know there's more to people than we can say, and I knew you didn't think your comment captured all of your friend.

With that said, he sounds insecure & competitive in a way that my Leo Moon has trouble dealing with. Rivalry makes my stomach hurt. If you don't mind sharing, what's his Saturn up to?

quote:
There might be some potentials that are better than others.

Exactly.

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LEXX
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posted May 10, 2009 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG asked:
quote:
There's often a lot of confidence given to the notion that the more you do something, the better you'll get at it. What do you think? If it were a true or false question, what would you answer?
My answer would be NO, if only allowed a yes or no answer.
MVM said:
quote:
I actually think of it less as practice and more like mastery. If I feel passionate about something, it's not practice at all.
That is how I feel about Lexigramming and a few other of my passions.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 10, 2009 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice to see my thread back. Welcome back Eve. Missed you.

I don't have his birth info anymore. I just remember that he has at least three planets in the second. One of them must be his Sun. I think there was another where the interpretation was that he's somewhat tight with his possessions (could be Saturn). Then there was a semi-contradictory one, which said something about being loose with his money. Both are true. He's very good with his money, but if a friend of his gets into a bind of some sort he's more than willing to volunteer his money to bail them out.

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eve
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posted May 10, 2009 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG -

My Virgo Mars gets excited by the correct spelling of "loose." Tmi? Or just plain sad?

If Saturn's in his 2nd, that could point to his deep insecurity. (Since 2nd is our self-worth.) Using equal house, my sister has that placement. She told me that confidence is the trait she most admires in others and wishes she possessed. Her Saturn's in Leo.

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pixelpixie
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posted August 25, 2011 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK- I've been doing this thing lately, where I will randomly click on a number in the archived, then randomly click on a thread, and so far- the things I am drawn to are relevant to thought processes or the synchronicities in life.

This one I am bumping because yesterday I watched a fascinating documentary on the placticity of the brain and whether an old dog can really learn new tricks, or if that ability goes away after your grown.. but they showed that neurologically, the brain is always creating new pathways- and that yes, with practice (even imagined practice- which is why positive thinking is so important) the area of the brain responsible for those tasks does become stimulated, and streamlined- creating a better response.
Like- someone who had suffered a stroke and has limited use of the affected hand- when the 'good' hand was wrapped, and they were forced to practice use of the damaged hand, they were able to become better over time and relearn basic tasks.. the brain grew new pathways.

That said- for instance in art- because your life experiences and imaginings are becoming ever enriched, sometimes I will not pick up a pencil for a really long time, but when I do, I perform better than before... because my scope has grown, so even though I haven't practiced physically, I am more skilled.


This is an interesting topic and worth the revisit!

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