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Topic: Conceptions
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 01:54 AM
There's often a lot of confidence given to the notion that the more you do something, the better you'll get at it. What do you think? If it were a true or false question, what would you answer?IP: Logged |
Writesomething unregistered
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posted May 03, 2009 02:02 AM
Very true. Practice makes perfect. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 02:03 AM
Another thing I've been thinking on lately is the nature of creations. How do creators fail to realize their creations are a reaction or a reflection of themselves??IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3490 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 11:14 AM
Practice does make perfect, I agree. I think you can tell when someone's mastered something, because they make it look really easy.As to the whole thing about creations being a reflection of their creator, I would definitely have to agree with that too. There's the theory too that all pieces of, say, art, are there all along and we just 'discover' them along the way. I don't know how someone would fail to think that something they create is not part of themselves. What is their explanation otherwise??? IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 3521 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 12:57 PM
Yes.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 02:27 PM
Ok, with regard to the first question, I'm not certain that practice does make perfect. It certainly doesn't where physical activities are concerned. According to professional sports it would seem that we peak, and then descend, except for maybe golf or something.Mental processes I'm not so sure. Are we all capable of being super genius scientists if we simply keep at it, or is there a plateau that is difficult to get beyond? Is there a limit to our capacity, or are we as unlimited as we like to believe? What about art? Anyone who's followed a band that has been around a long time knows that it's not uncommon for a band to change it's sound later in its career sometimes to the dismay of its fans. Is that a positive evolution or a negative one? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 02:37 PM
quote: I don't know how someone would fail to think that something they create is not part of themselves. What is their explanation otherwise???
Here's what I'm thinking: Many of the negative circumstances we encounter are of our own creation, yet clearly a lot of people don't look at these creations as a reflection-of or a reaction-to themselves. Children are particularly troublesome when thinking about the relationship between creator and created. Parents expect that their children will reflect their values, while often the child can be a reaction to its creator. Maybe the creation can go either way, and either be a positive reflection of the creator, or a negative reflection of the creator. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3490 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 02:51 PM
Whew, AG. I'll have to get back to that one LOLAs far as art goes, there are always peaks and valleys. That's the only thing I do know. In fact without them, as far as I'm concerned, there is no art. Like the bands you're talking about, I know what you mean....I think it depends on the band though. Is their evolution negative or positive, for who? I think it depends on the reason why they changed in the first place. If they are a great band and they are known for a certain style and they master it, then where else is there to go? Maybe not up/down, but more side to side or whatever. Just as far as music/art alone, I think those bands change because they need to. There's no room left to stay the same. So they try something different (unless it's their manager suggesting they try something different for the sake of promotional stuff which IMO is completely different and not really an organic change)....and the reactions are mixed (as in positive or negative). So is the change made because it's time for it and they chose to change, or is it because they wanted a different reaction to their music? They just pressed the reset button and decided to try something completely new and different and took whatever sound they preferred and played with it. I guess I am 'for' the changes because a couple of my favorite bands artists are always kind of re-inventing themselves in a way. I like that. I like that their sound changes but their essence is still there. Maybe if they seem like they lose their essence somehow then the evolution/change isn't deemed positive (by me anyway). But that's personal opinion....not really about change itself. It's about the impact change has. IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 2014 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2009 03:21 PM
False.The more you do something, will provide an equally better and worse result. Dont know what that something is, maybe use tug-o-war as an example. If you keep pushing in a tow, you wont win and therefore not get better at it. If you keep pulling, you will get better. IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted May 03, 2009 03:43 PM
PERFECT practice makes perfect IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 01:50 AM
Coffee, can you elaborate on your answer?IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 2014 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 01:09 PM
Yes I Can.You said quote:
the more you do something, the better you'll get at it
I disagree because you dont define what that something is. That "something" could be anything at all. Take an action. Pushing a rope in a tug-of-war instead of pulling. That action would not result in you being better. IP: Logged |
eve Knowflake Posts: 191 From: jane Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 03:11 PM
False. Repitition alone won't make you master a craft. If you keep doing something the exact same way, I do think you'll improve that particular skill. Sometimes, though, repitition can make you worse at the craft overall, because you've locked yourself into one path and have become blind to the others. When that happens, you're no longer a creator. Your skill may even grow weaker because it no longer thrills you, leaving you all technical precision and no heart. I think to truly master a craft, you must be able to practice it with fresh, open eyes. You must see all the possibilities within your craft, how each choice you make kills a different choice and gives birth to a whole new set. I think it's that ability to let a craft live through you that makes someone a master or genius. That ability is an innate talent, and our practice will reveal its existence or absence. I could play guitar every second I'm awake, a guitar will never live through me the same way that it does through Jimmy Page. IP: Logged |
eve Knowflake Posts: 191 From: jane Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 03:27 PM
I was actually thinking about something similar a couple of weeks ago when I heard, again, about how Gene Simmons has had thousands of lovers. I thought that even with all that practice, with all those potential teachers, he may still be an awful lay. He may have done and received the same thing everytime, blind to the art of sex. If that's the case, his sexual skills aren't any better than someone who's only had one lover, or even one sexual experience. And someone who has had only one lover or fewer sexual experiences than Simmons may be extraordinary because he's innately gifted at understanding sexual pleasure and letting it live through him. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 03:45 PM
I'm sooo not used to your new name Jane. I am glad to see someone taking the opposite approach to the question, though.Yes, Coffee, I didn't specify the something, because there are different categories. I think it's undeniable that practice at something physical won't necessarily cause greatness at it, even if you're working at it the right way. I think that there's probably a plateau. What I'm wondering is whether there are other 'somethings' that we practice that we are only able to become good at to a certain level. IP: Logged |
eve Knowflake Posts: 191 From: jane Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 03:52 PM
You just need some practice thinking of me as Eve.IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 95 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 04:44 PM
Depends on how you're practicing it.If you practice with poor form/technique or you aren't sure what you're doing you're just practicing bad habits. With certain disciplines this could even lead to injury or harm to yourself and others. What are we talking about? IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner unregistered
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posted May 04, 2009 04:51 PM
i have heard this explained like this you can go up a few rungs like if you are a 7 on a scale of one to ten at something with hard work and practice you can get to a nine. if you are a four at it, the best you will be is a six or seven. thats why we should develop our talents that we were given. a four will never make a ten. but a 7 might. you gotta work with what you got and the skills and talents we have, each are different, i envy carpentry skills, but a carpenter doesn't neseccaritly have accounting skills. we all have different skills and talents and we take what we are good at and concentrate on making thatgreat,there ispotential. to take something we are moderate at, we might get passible good, but will never be great. just how it was explained to me.
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posted May 04, 2009 04:58 PM
although, i have heard that karate people say if you do something 1000 times, you will master it. i have played my guitar 1000 times and i am no master, that is for sure.so, i tend to believe my former post though. it is in relation to natural talents and abilities how good you will actually ever really be at "stuff" IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5611 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 05:14 PM
I think how it was explained to you is reasonable.IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted May 04, 2009 07:34 PM
This is why i said PERFECT practice makes perfect.any old damn practice doesn't make anything perfect. It has to be PERFECT practice. Ask Bruce Lee IP: Logged |
eve Knowflake Posts: 191 From: jane Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 10:13 PM
If perfect practice makes perfect...then to me, it's all about innate talent. The ability to know how to practice best is an innate talent. If you're simply following someone else's instructions, you may perfect that one technique. Over time, you may gather a hodgepodge of skills in one field. But it's not until the craft as a whole speaks to you and you yourself understand the best practice, that you master the craft and create. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3490 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted May 04, 2009 11:36 PM
Good point 'Eve' (I've missed you)I actually think of it less as practice and more like mastery. If I feel passionate about something, it's not practice at all. IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted May 05, 2009 06:34 AM
EXACTLY Eve and PA, you too. PERFECT practice is mastery over just picking something up and not being mind, body, soul focused. Innate talent is essential too to achieve mastery although if you don't 'feel' the thing you want to master you won't practice perfectly anyway, so it all fits.
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PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4313 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 05, 2009 08:14 AM
quote: There's often a lot of confidence given to the notion that the more you do something, the better you'll get at it. What do you think? If it were a true or false question, what would you answer?
Eve already stated talent and I totally agree. I could practice playing guitar for the rest of my life and I'll still suck at it. I promise. But I think passion accounts for a lot too. I think that if you're interested in something then you are more inclined to better at it because there's an inner drive, as well as a natural interest and want to immerse yourself there and it helps with perserverance as well. Of course, combined with talent, it's the greatest thing. IP: Logged |