posted June 28, 2009 05:37 PM         

Granted, there isn't a certain connection here in this specific thread, but it does strike me as a likely one.

That said, it looks as if the "confession of Jordan Chandler" isn't real, especially given that it's not being covered by any remotely legite media source.

posted June 28, 2009 06:27 PM         

WE DON'T HAVE THE FACTS TO JUDGE HIM BY! the man was a one-off. i find it very easy to imagine that jackson felt comfortable with kids, and like a kid enjoyed sleepovers, without him being sexually inappropriate with them. however he obviously didn't go along with a lot of our contemporary prudery and that puts his reputation at risk.

the naked human body is not a dirty nasty thing that should be hidden under all circumstances. nudists aren't necessarily perverts and rapists!! and people who live outside the box are not always dangerous.

let's be realistic and admit that WE DIDN'T KNOW HIM and all the evidence is circumstantial. especially in light of this kid's recanting! though that too could be media meddling.

i lost interest in his music years ago but to me he will always be a supertalented musician and dancer with some very bizarre preferences that may never be explained. i LIKE people who not only ignore "the box" but can't even see it because they are on a different vibration....

and i am very glad this kid came out at last so that the people who judged him guilty without access to the facts may be more careful about condemning others who may also be innocent. it would have been nice if he had done it BEFORE mj died!

posted June 29, 2009 10:29 AM         

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I am a liberal,and I gave an alternative viewpoint with detachment and without any emotion, and I got slammed hard for it.

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there is a lot of emotional attachment to views that counter yours, it can get ugly just like the politics in Global Unity.

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I offered alternative viewpoints from a detached perspective. It was never about how I felt.

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I am apathetic about the guy.

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I was just making a point that many pedophiles are childlike,and use that childlike-ness to connect to children and take advantage of them. That's a well known psychlogical profile.

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WHILE IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT MANY PEDOPHILES DO NOT FIT THE PROFILE- MANY OF THEM APPEAR TO BE YOUR AVERAGE ADULTS, WELL-ADJUSTED CITIZENS, YET THEY MOLEST CHILDREN.

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A WAY TOO EASY TARGET.

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I pointed out that Jordan gave a good detailed description of Michael's genitals.

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Jordan Chandler did NOT. The descriptions were very detailed; however, the investigators found his describtions, when compared to their findings from the nude body search of Michael Jackson- were not definitive. Please research further on matters as such, especially when they are legal matters at that.

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That's self-denial. Please explore your unconscious more deeply.

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I grew up with is music and in So Cal. I believe he WAS a pedophile, especially from his own interviews (watching him speak) and his court cases. I can't feel anything but ugliness towards him and I don't feel bad for his death. The reason is this- no matter what a person has done to help society, to hurt one child negates everything.
He was an ugly and disgusting man for what he did to several boys. I believe that more information will come out about him now that he is gone.

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Who cares what Pidaua thinks...the woman has a poor judgement and usually doesn't think much before talking. After all, not long ago, she mentally abused a 65-years old member of LindaLand - Rainbow- repeatidly calling her such ugly names as - old wrinkled bag, daper bag, a retard who can't spell, retarded old woman who pees in her panties, ect... Rainbow died of a brain tumor shortly after and needless to say - she was extraordinarily hurt by those words. Pidaua then felt sorry for what she had said to her but...poor judgement, yet again?
I mean, what can you expect from a person who comes and speaks so hatefully and spitifully in a thread that is clearly dedicated to grieving fans of Michael Jackson. So many fan's posts, full of love and appreciation and grief.
I am sure there are lots of people on this Forum who does not like Michael Jackson, some may even loath him, but they have kept quiet and didn't participate out of respect for the heartbroken fans.
It was kinda hurtfull coming from you, Raymond, because you didn't say it out of spite or hatred, like Pidaua, but your opinion was based on your un-biased tought-out judgement.

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Quite to the point. The very same woman who called Rainbow having brain damage during a debate on opposing political views. Rainbow was soon afterward diagnosed with a brain tumor, underwent a surgery, died within months.

I ended up defending the WRONG individual. My bad.

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Starr, during that interiew, Michael was already screwed up by too much amphetamines, pain killers, ect. The media was right in his face and everything he did, was wrong. He was obviously super nervous and shaky during that interview. I didn't like it either, he was a wreck. Understandbly so.

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Think about his ultra-sensitive nature, with easily hurt feelings, being high-strung...and a victim.

To be continued...

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Some are born to sweet delight,
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posted June 29, 2009 10:33 AM         

This is something I would like to share with you all- whatever your stance is:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/002073.html

Many thanks to VirgOh, who has provided the link, and also many thanks to the floacist.

PLEASE READ-

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/where-is-jordan-chandler-now/#comment-4967

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the floacist 2007 October 25 permalink

Jordan never accurately described the marks on Michael’s genitalia. In fact, he wasn’t even the one who drew it in the first place; Evan Chandler (his father) did. In January 1994, USA Today printed an article confirming that, “photos of Michael Jackson’s genitalia do not match descriptions given by the boy who accused the singer of sexual misconduct.” Some tabloid reports may indicate otherwise but keep in mind that the District Attorney brought his “evidence” in front of two grand juries and charges were not filed. If the photos matched the boy’s description, the case would have probably gone to trial.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/settlement-not-enough/

If I a was an abused victim as a child, I wouldn’t want nor accept money. If a child and/or a parent settles for money they’re ******* heartless, lack of moral and have no decency. You do not accept money from a criminal who violated your son or daughter. A better question is why take money to forget you were molested? If I was a victim of rape or molestation, I and my family would want that perpetrator to be in prison – more likely for himself being abused, and see how he likes it. Let an offender free into the public?

What a lot of people simply do not understand is that there was never, ever a single iota of information which connected Jackson to the 1993 allegations, and yet there was an absolute wealth of information which suggested he was innocent. What people also don’t realize is that when Jackson paid his settlement, he was settling a civil case not a criminal case; he was not being prosecuted, he was being sued. There is a clause in the settlement which states that Jackson in no way acknowledges any wrongdoing by signing the settlement. There is another clause which specifically states that a settlement in the civil case in no way affects the recipients’ right to testify in a criminal case. The reason no criminal case was brought in 1993 was that the allegations were ludicrous and they couldn’t find any information to back them up. Thomas Sneddon presented the case to two grand juries and both of them laughed him out of court. He wasn’t even allowed to bring charges because his case was so pathetic.

The belief Jackson ‘bought his way out of jail’ has no weight yet everyone uses that as their blind justification of guilt. There was never a case against Jackson in 1993 and that was evident over a year prior to the settlement. With the criminal case in limbo because it was so moronic and the allegations hanging over his head until the media got some resolution, a settlement was the only way Jackson could make everything disappear. Diane Dimond known for her stupid antics to try to make anything ‘Michael Jackson’ even bigger than what it was, leaked the actual documents of the settlement. In the documents one find many ‘interesting’ things. For example, in the document Michael Jackson denies ever having any sexual contact with Jordan Chandler. And to make things even more interesting, the parents of Jordan Chandler, Evan and June Chandler agreed to that denial. Here is that part of the document:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko5.gif

Also, in the document it actually says the Chandlers can only speak of the case in a court of law. For 10 years the media has been spreading the lie that the settlement somehow stopped the Chandlers from testifying against Jackson. Another myth destroyed by the factual document.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko7.gif

Another myth that the settlement was for more than 30 million when in fact it was only 15,331,250, both Evan and June Chandler obtained 1.5 million while Larry Feldman obtained 3 million and 10% of the settlement which would bring his earnings to 5 million dollars.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko21.gif

And how much Jordan Chandler got? The most he could’ve gotten was 8 million dollars. Who leaked this private document? The only party that had this particular document was Lisa Marie Presley’s attorney at the time. So who gave it to Diane Dimond? Hmmm.

Entire document here:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html

You also left out the part where Jordan and has told people [personal] that Michael Jackson is not a pedophile. You also left out the part where last year in July, Evan Chandler struck his son with a dumbbell and basically tried to murder him.
http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/decisions/appellate/a0422-05.opn.html

What a great father. Not only that, he wrote a book about his son’s rape. “Michael Jackson Was My Lover-The Secret Diary of Jordie Chandler”. Even his brother chipped in. Raymond Chandler, author of book “All That Glitters: The Crime and the Cover Up” which deals with the alleged sexual abuse of his nephew Jordie by Michael Jackson. Team effort! How considerate. [edit] That book was written by Victor Guiteriezz, he also said that there was a videotape of Michael molesting one of Jermaine’s sons. Michael sued him about the book AND Hard Copy(they ran the story about the fake videotape) and Michael won the suit, but Victor left the country. It was one of the few times Michael actually fought back the allegations.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6996/bookqf2.jpg

You also forgot the part where Evan Chandler was caught on tape speaking about his extortion plans on the telephone. You can read the whole transcript here
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-tapes-will-come-out-court-transcrip t-of-chandler/

Please don’t ever leave a comment like that again. I know first hand what it feels like to be raped. I’m not going to go into detail, because thats personal. Do you know how that feels like? Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. Point is. Let me tell you something. I am not some crazy fan who believes in his innocence because I like ‘Beat It’ and ‘Thriller’. If he was a child molester I’d burn all my CDs & memorabilia and wish him to burn in hell.

Do I approve of Michael having sleepovers with young children that are not his own? NO! That violates a social norm, and that is why it is looked down upon. However, entire families visit the Ranch. There is no way possible that this man could possible have the time and secrecy to abuse a child in his house, and not have the victim find their way out and tell their parents immediately. When Michael infamously said he shared his bed, he didn’t mean his literal bedroom. They’re not even IN his bedroom. His home is 3,000 acres. Guests stay over in the guest rooms, as in parents and their children. If said children would like to stay with Michael (and Lisa Marie Presley his ex-wife testified this herself that they follow them where ever they go) he specifically said that he tells them to ask their guardians if its okay. And if they do, Michael sleeps on the floor. It is rude to let a guest sleep on a coach, a floor or any other uncomfortable position while you stay in the comfort of your own bed.

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Please view all the documents and transcripts, quotes via the links provided. Please take time and your patience to read the entirety of them all.

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Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted June 29, 2009 12:14 PM         

I don't care what anyone says about Micheal I don't think he was a pedophile at all, misunderstood emotionally immature..And if he did (and thats a BIG IF) molest some kids it was done to him first..

It did not matter what he did or didn't do he was condemnd for it..

posted June 29, 2009 06:56 PM         

.” Halperin was so shocked by Jackson’s appearance that he predicted “last December that Michael had six months to live.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-7150-Extreme-Weight-Loss-Examiner~y2009m6d28-Michael-Jacksons-death-spotlights-eating-disorders

Seven signs of an eating disorder
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1888200/7_signs_that_michael_jackson_had_an.html?cat=2

posted June 30, 2009 11:34 AM         

Was Michael Jackson Framed? by Mary A. Fischer GQ magazine 1994

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread477059/pg1

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted June 30, 2009 12:59 PM         

People may have different views and opinions but it is not appropriate, to say the least, to voice them at such a moment, it is disrespectful and disgusting when millions of people are mourning.

I don't buy that MJ was a pedophile either. The accusations were totally ridiculous.

NB: I am not a fan of Michael Jackson.

posted July 01, 2009 03:12 AM         

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecare2%2Ecom%2Fc2c%2Fgroups%2Fdisc%2Ehtml%3Fgpp%3D15678%26pst%3D1291752&feature=player_embedded

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Star33, you said:

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I would like to credit the following individuals for my ever, ever discovering this article:

VirgOh, a fellow LL knowflake;

The floacist, the webmaster of her blog;

Wilhelmina, one of the discussion participants who kindly provided the link to a webpage where this article had been granted the author's permission to be publicized online.

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I sent the article to a coworker after we discussed how much we loved Michael.

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THANK YOU, Star33, for forwarding the article to at least one more person.

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I just did what I should have done. This should have been done a way long, long, long time ago

Please note that what Ms Mary A. Fischer wrote in her 1994 GQ Magazine article's parts on the recorded telephone conversation (recorded by Jordan Chandler's stepfather, June Chandler's then husband, David Schwartz) between Evan Chandler and David Schwartz, can be found on the Michael Jackson page on Wikipedia; also, the fact that Evan Chandler administered a BARBITURATE- sodium amytal, to his son, Jordan Chandler, in order to affect J Chandler's memory and thus make the 13-year-old highly suggestible to what was to be said to him, can also be found on the Michael Jackson page on Wikipedia.

Who is going to spread the word?

If everyone cared

I compare this tragedy and injustice to my recent inquiry to Vegan Society of Japan, who told me that, to conduct a nation-wide survey and investigation on the over 1800 sake breweries in Japan, on which of them use animal slaughterhouse by-products, and which of them do not, during the process of making their sake- all boiled down to "resources", and "unless I myself is willing to financially sponsor them, Vegan Society of Japan...this will not happen."

Who is willing to spend millions of dollars, time, energy, determination, stamina, to fight for Michael Jackson, now deceased- in the court of law, against the Chandlers?

To be continued...(post failed to go through yet again the first time)

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 02, 2009 01:02 AM         

It occurs to me that Michael's family and other people close to him when his was alive, are more interested in getting a piece of Michael out of his untimely death. Yes, they are bound to be going to court. Yes, it's been predicted that a lengthy law court battle is about to begin.

But NO- NOT for suing, or prosecuting, the Chandlers, and all parties involved who pressed charges against Michael in the early new millenium.

Money procedes justice?

Who is going to spread the word?

Please spread the word.

Who is going to care?

Who has the power and the will to initiate something?

That "something" is not revenge. That "something" is justice.

Justice procedes vengeance. Justice represents the highest level of the human spirit.

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 02, 2009 01:09 AM         

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No, Katatonic- thank YOU.

Thank you for your kindness.

Peri

You are one of the extremely few LL members whom I respect most, arguable the one I respect most.

THANK YOU, for empathizing, especially as a non-fan of Michael Jackson.

Thank you for your kindness and your rationality.

It's all about kindness and cruelty.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 02, 2009 04:57 AM         

http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 02, 2009 10:58 AM         

seriously I don't know what to believe any more ..whether it's pro or con

anybody could make stuff up

even what we call "news" could just be gossip.

what we call "gossip" could actually be the news.

I have no belief either way.

I do admit that I was tactless, and I apologize for that.