posted June 30, 2009 07:39 PM         

HOWEVER.....and you know it's serious when I use italicized capitals.... a lot of my grief has come from not flexing my muscle and taking a stand, and being too diplomatic and passive. Put it down to my Mars in gentle Libra. I've been pushed to my limit, and have had to let my Fire blaze this year. My Sun in Leo has roared, my Moon in Sagittarius has been offended at injustice and my Ascendent in Aries has taken the lead to sort a lot of rubbish out!

I've stomped around, disappeared as a protest, complained to various professionals, and have made a stand that have made others wide-eyed.

A new harassment has developed lately, at me, as well as other colleagues. I've been a keen figure in jumping in quick to deal with the abuse where other leaders have taken a passive approach. I'm making waves that people cannot ignore. I've sent emails, made phone calls and mentioned filing a dafamation suit.

I know my Fire will solve this problem - burn it beyond recognition - so that the evil never comes back to bother us again.

Ahhhhh..... the satisfaction of being a Fire sign

Honour thy Fire - that's what I say

posted June 30, 2009 07:39 PM         

Yeah it was distateful and kind of disrespectful to put the "case" in a mourning/respects thread but I am not really suprised at Diana or Glacaus for putting it in that thread either, it is and was an open thread to anyone even though we wish people would stick with the subject =S.

I felt bad because Diana was made to look like some delusional stalker twit though her hatred towards Lara was scary but I believe it was because of that "tyson/rape"thread it must have struck a cord in her so fierce she can't let it go. I don't even know her to say this but maybe she has some sort of emotional trauma around abuse and rape and it was just triggered in the MJ thread O_o.

For Glacaus well he is one of those Scorpios that love to look at all sides of a person, even the dark side, and MJ had one, a troubled one.

Even if he is gone that does not mean people are going to stop discussing that side of him, just the other day my Aqua cousin was talking about his horrendous complexes and calling his skin complection "unknown", I am not going to lie..I laughed.

I honestly believe even after I or anyone is gone there is always going to be that one person to p!ss on your grave out of spite, I have someone like that right now who can't wait for me to kick the bucket so she can dance all over my grave, thats the way it is.

I am a MJ fan but there are people out a.k.a my Capricorn and Pisces friend who believe he was the filth of the earth whose better off dead or that he was not that great, dead beat whatever and there not wrong for viewing him that way and I am not wrong for being a fan.

posted June 30, 2009 07:44 PM         

I agree Cheshire and it did just all get a bit out of hand... the Tyson thread was so long ago though - it scares me that people hold onto grudges for so long as it's unhealthy all round.

posted June 30, 2009 08:23 PM         

Your date of birth, please?

Thank you for being a MJ fan.

Koiflower,

Thanks for sharing.

Diplomacy is not the equivalent to compromise, or being pushed-around.

Diplomacy is one of the strategies. It is part of the art of war. It is not compromise. It is not neutralization. It is a tactic. When used well, it is a good one.

My English is "exquisite" as my 2nd language...??? Sorry, I don't quite follow you. Could you please explain to me what you meant?

Okay now, am I going to sound like some barking lunatic who is pretending to be two people at the same time, talking to my other self, the absolutely fabulous and oh so very very enlightened DIANA?!

Allow me to remind you, I do have Mars conj ASC in the same sign.

That Diana needs a psychoanalyst.

Lara,

Thank you for your empathy. Thank you for your positive feedback for what I wrote about the zodiac sign Aries.

But, Lara- you haven't told me if you honestly, truly, seriously believe that DfD=Diana?

Anybody? Where's everybody? Am I Diana? Am I the super duper psycho Diana?! Now TELL ME!

Dervish, I haven't heard from you. Tell me, AM I ******* DIANA?!

Pardon my French. I guess I just lost it again. Must be my sleep deprivation and subsequent hypomania going on mania HA HA HA!

Anybody?

Am I Diana?

Now I have officially lost it!

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted June 30, 2009 08:26 PM         

No, you are not DIANA!

posted June 30, 2009 08:32 PM         

FYFI, not ALL Scorpios are ALWAYS right.

Bon soir!

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted June 30, 2009 08:46 PM         

Maybe she's reading this thread,..just clear the air.

posted June 30, 2009 08:48 PM         

Thank you, Koiflower- I deeply appreciate your kind words about my people, my homeland, my culture. You have no idea how much your words are appreciated.

I'm trying not to be some ego-centric maniac here...because

I shall seek confirmation from reliable media resources about this I'm not surprised, you know I just would hate to see more MJ haters blame the tragic suicide deaths on poor Michael

MJ fans-

Had Michael been still alive, he would tell you right here, in person, if he could make it- how deeply he appreciated your support, and how your devotion, how your support for him means a lot to him. Michael would want you alive, NOT dead. Certainly NOT dead because of him- just imagine how you would sadden him and break his heart. He would have wanted you to stay alive, and be strong, and remember that love is the most important thing. If you turn to suicide to show your support for him, or if it ever occurred to you that such an act would mean you want to go with him as well- Lord forbid, please DON'T. It would have broken his heart to see you do this- for him. NO. Please- NO. Michael would have wanted all of you to stay alive, and stay strong. Don't go that way. I can relate to how you are feeling, my fellow MJ fans. But PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO YOURSELVES AND TO HIM. PLEASE.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted June 30, 2009 10:13 PM         

Await further confirmation

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 01, 2009 06:48 AM         

quote:

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I am rather curious about why you guess that I, as DfD, is Diana? On what grounds, comments, posts, facts, clues, was your guess based?

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My ONLY grounds was that you had a "D" in your name, and maybe it doubled for Diana.

That, and I was looking at the wrong thread (which I asked and got no response on before making a desperate guess). The reason I was trying to figure WHAT THE HECK Lara was talking about and simply couldn't. It seemed the thread in THIS forum was offending people, but I really couldn't see why. For the most part, it was quite civil, as were your posts. So I was getting very frustrated why she and others were talking about how mean & nasty it was, because they were "obviously" (if we'd been thinking of the same threads) having very different forms of etiquette.

That's also for my personal knowledge...did I step out of line in the MJ thread I posted in? I don't really know because different groups have different rules. So what I try to do is follow the lead of others. I never would've talked about the allegations if no one else did, but once others started talking, I figured it was fair game, that it was ok in this case. But maybe I should've ignored it? Or maybe others are just too sensitive and need to put on their big girl panties? Heck, maybe even one person got a lot of attention from playing shocked & sad over a MJ thread, and so others were making up stuff to be offended about in order to draw attention to themselves, too, and I should ignore this thread?

I did NOT know. And I was trying to figure it out (until I felt like banging my head against my keyboard). I asked for clarification and got nothing, so, not sure if I had erred in replying on the MJ thread I had replied on or if I was making a mistake in this thread, or just misunderstanding it completely, I pushed for clarification, which included (eventually) trying to guess who this mysterious "Diana" was.

Had you [DfD] turned out to be this "Diana," I'd have dismissed this thread as ridiculous and not paid it any more attention.

I hope I'm clear enough...I'm also going without much sleep and had you not expressed, er, eagerness to hear why I guessed you, I'd have saved it for tomorrow, assuming I found time before my show comes on tomorrow night (and if I didn't, then another day still). So I'm blundering through explaining my reasoning, so to speak, as best I can now, when I'm not at my best at explaining.

To repeat: I NEVER thought you were "Diana," at least not as Lara described, but then I didn't think ANYONE on the MJ thread in LLC2.0 was, and I was just trying to figure out to whom she was referring (and thus get a clue into what she was referring to exactly), for the reasons I stated above.

LARA:

I've seen the thread in the other forum. I haven't read through all of it, and I don't intend to, but now I realize what you're talking about and I sympathize.

posted July 01, 2009 08:53 AM         

I'm just straight going to say that I'm going to close this thread if it continues. No sugar coating. I'm not taking sides.

Lara, sorry - I know that you have a genuine grievance and wanted some answers, but it doesn't look like that's likely to happen in this thread.

I just want to point out that having multiple usernames is also against LL policy so we can dismiss all serious talk of that issue. I'm sure Randall would have been onto it before that even began.

Can we just let it be now.

posted July 01, 2009 12:02 PM         

I read what you said.

I just want to say something that I am not a person that puts much emphasis on sunsigns. I don't even own a single sunsign Astrology. I believe that we are all more than just our sunsigns because the whole sky is full of other objects besides the Sun. Of course,they differ according to the moment that we are born.

Therefore, I really don't like referring to myself as a Scorpio. I don't like referring to others as a sunsign.

I even think that my constellation Sunsign,Virgo fits me very well. Constellation placements aren't the same as the tropical ones, and so the interpretations are different. Also they are not the same as the sidereal zodiac signs. The Sidereal Zodiac doesn't include Ophiuchus nor take in consideration the unevenness of the zodiac constellations with much larger Virgo and much larger Scorpius. My tropical Scorpio/sidereal Libra Sun is in the constellation of Virgo parallel a Virgo star called Khambalia. Alpha Virgo star Spica is also my heliacal rising.

My tropical Scorpio/sidereal Libra Mercury-Venus conjunction are in the constellation of Libra. My Mercury is in alignment with Beta Libra star, Zuben Eschamali which is also in culminating and nadir paran with Venus on my day of birth.

I think of tropical zodiac chart as our earth self

I think of constellation zodiac as our cosmic self.

so enough about that.

as for the other stuff. I had given my viewpoints. These weren't personal opinions of mine. They were just viewpoints that were divergent from the mainstream viewpoints. They were given as more of an detached alternative viewpoint. I put no emotion in it. I didn't say that I hated the guy like somebody else wrote but whose name wasn't mentioned on the thread.

the personal stuff that I put it was try to make a point that there are people that have been very abused, but have not been child-like like Michael.

If anything, it was not the Scorpio in me expressing but actually Eris in me expressing. What I notice about divergent or alternative viewpoints is that they can be viewed as controversial in the view of others who disagree with the views.

I have Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio in 8th and 2nd houses with 10 minutes of arc. I also have Eris in Aries retrograde in sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in Gemini/Sagittarius with 1'01 orb. I have Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc.
I have very strong Eris energy, and I know that's not a good thing as it is a divergent type that can be controversial.

I can tell you this. No matter what I posted, I haven't told anybody that I was right and others are wrong because. I know that we have different views,opinions,beliefs on things. I don't try to belittle people's opinions. I don't cuss people out and talk smack personally to a person because he/she doesn't believe in what I believe in.

I believe in tolerance of diversity.

therefore, I think that it's better to agree to disagree than slam people because they don't believe like we do.

Zane Stein wrote certain things about Eris in the article that he wrote in MOUNTAIN ASTROLOGER

Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent. http://zanestein.com/keywords.html#Eris

Of course, Michael Brown's explanation about why he named the largest dwarf planet, Eris makes sense.

I am going to use that as my signature for now on every time that I post...especially if I am giving an alternative viewpoint on anything. I feel that if we can't post our alternative viewpoints without being slammed by others, then why even bother to post anything.

Astrology is a highly controversial subject itself with so many things that astrologers disagree with like if Pluto is a planet or not.

same with politics and religion...same with anything where there are opposing views.

I agree to disagree

Raymond

posted July 01, 2009 12:07 PM         

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted July 01, 2009 01:46 PM         

no hair pulling?

i sure thought i was gonna see a catfight.

interesting, the bully doesn't show up for the playground fight...

coffee - if you open this thread, i am sure you expected more too.

further proof of an unfair fight and hijacking at its all time most unflattering.

forget diana, lets talk about ME!

posted July 01, 2009 01:48 PM         

shake it off and say, now, thats a fight!

posted July 01, 2009 11:51 PM         

quote:

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I just want to point out that having multiple usernames is also against LL policy so we can dismiss all serious talk of that issue. I'm sure Randall would have been onto it before that even began.

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I agree.

PA, do you think I, D for Defiant, I, DfD, I, D- is a double multiple poster?

Please just tell me.

I know you're right not taking sides.

I know you're right to close this thread should further name-calling and abusive language continue to spawn on this thread.

Please understand we all have feelings. At this particularly difficult time for the minority of us, we are grieving, mourning, heartbreaking. Then a couple of individuals had continued to disrespect our intense feelings, all in the name of alternative viewpoints and the so-called seeing all aspects of a certain person or of a certain thing- I had suggested that such individuals please would they start their own threads to voice their alternative viewpoints and just leave us alone, not because freedome of speech is being restricted- it's human understanding. Anyone's astrological alternative viewpoints would not be slammed if the person simply skip our mourning threads, and start his own. Please understand. Someone we care about deeply has just DIED. Wouldn't it be a better idea to start separate threads on the same deceased person, but for quite different purposes? That, to me, is respect. People with alternative viewpionts could they please skip our mourning threads, could they please be gracious enough to ignore our threads, and leave us alone. We are mourning. I'm sure most of us would likewise ignore his thread about his alternative viewpoints on someone we care about, a loved one for us- and should one of us is unwise enough to bother posting on his thread, that's quite unfortunate. But wouldn't things be a lot better this way?

Glaucus,

Before you call this particular person a pedophile, would you care to read the GQ Magazine article written by Mary A. Fischer via the link I have posted on three threads and I am sure you can track my posts down easily and find that link. Would you care to read another quote with several links, which I have posted on two, if not three, threads? What Mary A. Fischer wrote, a significant part of it, is even on the Michael Jackson page on Wikipedia- part of the contents of the secretly recorded (by David Schwartz) telephone conversation between Evan Chandler and David Schwartz, and as well as how Evan Chandler, as a dentist with many connections in the medical field, administered a barbiturate to his son, Jordan Chandler- which is, sodium amytal, to influence his son's memory- would you care to just read that particular Wikipedia page? It's only a few clicks away, it's all there. Nobody cares. I mean- virtually nobody cares. People prefer scandals, they unconsciously crave for those scandals. People prefer to jump to conclusions with what they learn from tabloids and even those quite low-down so-called media giants. People prefer to believe someone famous, wealthy, and unorthodox, should be demonized because he seemed eccentric that such demonization without efforts made to research and to find the other side of the story is more convenient, more acceptable. Would you care enough to read the contents from the links that I have provided, or you just couldn't care less?

I respect your alternative viewpoints- but wouldn't it be more appropriate to voice those on your own thread? And the chances are most of us mourning fans who are civilized enough would probably just skip your thread. And we expect you to skip ours, too- because though it's an astrology forum, that particular thread of ours, and the other thread here on LLC 2.0, are mourning threads. Please.

At least Glaucus was posting his rationalization, not like Diana who was a partial and biased, resentful, disrespectful cyber terrorist, who were stalking us, hijacking our thread, among other things.

PA, I was one hundred percent provoked when I found out I had been WRONGFULLY ACCUSED (how so very ironic- talk about being wrongfully accused!) of being Diana, plus being a double multiple poster. I do not, and shall not, justify my name-calling. I do admit that I lost my temper. I am not making excuses for my name-calling, which was against one of our LL terms of agreement, or very close to that. But please understand we are mourning fans, we had already been very sad, upset, distressed, outraged. We had tried to stay focused on the subject matter. Then came this cyber bully. Then came this another individual who insinuated that I, D for Defiant, I, DfD, I, D- was this cyber bully, based on no solid grounds, based on nothing else but confusion. That particular individual set off a bomb. I'm not supposed to name-call anyone, it makes me no less low then that cyber bully- but anyone who can empathize (albeit not fans at all), I believe, could comprehend why my reaction was so strong, so wrathful. I do not condone my name-calling, but understand there was more to just that. I am a loyal fan, then all of a sudden, I ended up being wrongfully accused of being that cyber bully who was the opposite of who I really am and what I really am- a Michael Jackson hater. I believe some people are able to imagine how that affected me, how that made me feel. I had been late to go back to our thread and realized there was this Diana, and the rest of us mourning fans there had been already extremely upset about her behavior. Please understand, please imagine how that struck me, being wrongfully accused of being that disrespectful, uncivilized cyber stalker, hijacker, terrorist, who obviously showed her mental imbalance.

From the post "posted July 01, 2009 06:48AM"-

In response to that post:

Nonsense.

At this particularly difficult time for us who are mourning, distressed, concerned, saddened, angry- please, we as fellow knowflakes- be civil, respectful, empathic.

Someone just died. A fellow human being.

To many, he was the target for their hatred.

To some of us, he was a loved one.

Not a saint. Not a god. Not a perfect entity. A fellow human being.

Thank you for your understanding.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 02, 2009 12:11 AM         

I have no issues with you or Diana or anyone here, so I'm not going there.

Someone has died and it has escalated to this. I've tried being partial regarding Michael Jackson because I'm a fan. But when it comes to D for Defiant or Diana or any other Knowflake, as a moderator, everyone is equal and I can be objective there. And as a mod, I'm here to uphold Randall's rules.

Calling someone a cyber terrorist seals the deal.