posted July 16, 2009 09:08 AM         

Words are exactly energy.

Regardless of one's intention or the given occasion when one uses profanity.

Beings with the ability to speak need not turn to obscenities to emphasize their moods, expressions, or anything else. Vulgarity is simply unnecessary.

Many believe that expletives are part of the art of language, a common misconception.

Regardless of the motive, the given situation, words themselves are energy.

This is beyond the comprehension of human beings.

As for the abuse of language without the use of profanity-

Perceptions, perspectives, even the truth, are all relative.

There are times when people become uncontrollably emotional, owing to unusual circumstances. Plus surrounding controversy intensifies the conflict between all different sides of individuals.

One may come to present oneself as a sensible, caring, empathic, established individual, who subtly disguises oneself and one's true motives, unjustly manipulates the occasions available to oneself for one's own strong likes and dislikes, strong partiality, and smoothly misleads the masses, with underhandedness, abusing one's power for entirely personal revenge, causing injustice; then all the while, condemning someone else as what one's own projection onto the other person, as far as one likes, while maintaining the unconscious message for the masses that one is the righteous one, when it is a time of utter collective confusion and a time for the masses to be prone to being misled by egotistical, hypocritical, falsely empathic, clever, dictatorial, totalitarian, tyrannical individuals.

No human beings are capable of understanding the true power of words. They will continue to abuse the energy of words, and that is entirely their business, since the age of oblivion, spiritual illusions, and vices are at its peak.

If anyone would like to swear- by all means. Human beings like to curse- or otherwise repress their desire to curse. Human use of profanity is inevitable and unstoppable, so mote it be.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 11:24 AM         

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I would rather be seen as f*cking improper or unlady-like for 5 f*ck!ng minutes of swearing than to live with f*cking accumulated negative energies.

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Deux! my ******* AO.

posted July 16, 2009 11:33 AM         

my dad - jesus, mary and JOSEPH! (he was raised a jew.. my lapsed catholic mother often would shoot back - do you REALLY need all three?)

my mom - damnATION - i always thought she was mad at some country or other when i was little!

posted July 16, 2009 08:17 PM         

When I was younger I used to "invent" swear words.............like Fluck.

posted July 16, 2009 10:28 PM         

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and i have to disagree, DfD, my mother-in-law would always say "flippin' 'eck" instead of swearing, but the energy behind those words was just as powerful as if she'd said f***ing 'ell"

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Yes, you were right about your mother-in-law whose usage of "flippin' 'eck", indeed releases exactly the just as powerful energy as though she'd said ******* *ell- all those so-called euphemisms for expletives, such as *eck, d*rn, fr*ck, fr**king and so forth, carry exactly the same energy as those more explicit expressions.

Hence you probably misunderstood me, or I had not made myself clear, Katatonic- I do hope I have clarified myself this time.

A female in the cyberspace who jokes about the phrase "**** me!" may know little, if anything, about involuntary sex; the definition of rape is at least one individual, usually (but certainly not always) woman, who is being forced to have either vaginal intercourse, anal intercourse, or otherwise sexual violence against her or his will. Hence anyone in her or his right mind, even they might secretly fantasize about being raped or gang-raped as sexual arousal in the form of creative visualization, nonetheless, when a person does encounter an experience of being raped, or being gang-raped- the woman, or the man, would unlikely to casually, mindlessly utter "**** me!" for fun. Rape is no laughing matter.

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 10:36 PM         

ISBN-10: 1571743669

or

ISBN-13: 978-1571743664~

In Appendix B:

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Most of us live in a kind of trance.

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So the question is: What do I want to produce? When I am oblivious, it is easy for the mind to become limp, no spiritual muscles here. The absence of attention allows the mind to grow the habit of focusing on what is dark, fearful, hateful, angry, guilty, and so on. This is an open-door invitation to destruction.

Therefore, with everything I think, say, do and feel, I am always making a "contribution" to the light of the world, or adding to its darkness. What a (potentially) wonderful or disastrous responsibility!

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What we think, say and do are the raw materials of creativity. We become, or we manifest the in-kind product of our ideas, declarations, and actions. It is naive to believe we can ignore or bypass any of the three parts of these "fate makers". No amount of internal deal making will produce a different result.

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Everything originates in thought. We are a product of thought. All thoughts, our own, other people's, and the collective world thought, affect us. Thoughtforms, the byproduct of our mental clarity or mental sludge, exalt or congest our own lives and everyone else's.

Thoughts are things. They take form and impact our lives and the world at large. Until we fully comprehend that the power of our mind is sufficient to "create" the world we live in, we can delude ourselves into believing that so long as we are not aware what we are thinking, we will be spared the consequences of those thoughts. All thoughts have consequences that are causal in life. Ignorance of what we are creating with our thoughts is not a protection from the repercussions of those thoughts.

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D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 10:43 PM         

The point here is to suggest that we make efforts not to live in oblivion, but start paying attention to what we think, say, do and feel, to our day-to-day lives. When living in a trance, as Rev Judith Baldwin described, it's easier for our minds to be drawn to the negative, and also easier for us to be stuck in our progress, our growth.

Excerpts from the same book-

ISBN-10: 1571743669

or

ISBN-13: 978-1571743664~

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All thoughts "demand" a response. The quality of the thought determines if it will either contribute to one's own well-being, and subsequently the world's well-being; or will postpone or destroy well-being. Such is the power of the God-created mind. Consequently, we must be aware what it is we are asking to receive. When we focus our thinking on what we would avoid, what we do not want, what we fear, or what is destructive, dreadful, or painful, we are actively praying for the unwanted to occur. Thus, our "prayerful" thought empowers those things which are contrary to well-being, or which oppose integrity of being.
It is simple to ascertain the quality of one's thinking since there are only two kinds of thought. Spiritually, energetically, psychologically, and physically, thoughts are either:

(1) positive, loving, constructive, and peaceful; or

(2) the negative, hateful, destructive, and combative.

So if one's thoughts are anxious, guilty, shameful, angry, hurtful, resistant, and so on, they do not make a contribution to well-being, no matter how we would justify them.

On the other hand, if one's thoughts are gentle, compassionate, forgiving, non-judgmental and nonviolent, they increase the flow of receiving and giving well-being. There are no exceptions to this fact. Equivocating or rationalizing will have no effect whatsoever.

So if one's "intention" is to make a positive contribution in life, but one's thoughts are not of the above mentioned category-(1) type, the intention will be overruled by the fact of in-kind consequence. In other words, believe it or not, accept it or not, life constantly shows us what we are actually thinking. Our job is to learn the truth about what is in our minds.

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I have had powerful experiences prior to reading this book that finally made me realize the significance of thoughts. Be it language or images, positive thoughts energetically draw loving energy, sometimes even healing energy. While negative thoughts invite destruction. Like attracts like, and thoughts draw their resonating energies to you. In this case, crystalized thought forms attract their resonating energies.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 10:49 PM         

Furthermore, this notion that ALL thoughts create reality is COMPLETE NONSENSE. Who hasn't imagined the worst only to find that the worst wasn't manifested? I know I have, and on multiple occasions. Whatever higher power exists never fails to astound in turning seemingly devastating situations into benign incidents.

I just posted this content the other day:

Think Again About Positive Thinking - Research suggests that affirmations may backfire.

posted July 16, 2009 10:54 PM         

ISBN-10: 1571743669

or

ISBN-13: 978-1571743664~

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How many times have we heard the ancient adage: "Your actions speak louder than your words." To this we may add: "Your actions speak as loudly as your thoughts." We act out what we truly believe. So to discover what actually lingers in the mind we simply watch what we do. There are not enough good intentions or sweet words to cover up what we do. We may talk a different story, we may swear our actions are not what we truly intended, but nonetheless we always do what we believe, what is truly in our mindset. Our behavior will tell the truth about who we think ourselves to be, and the afteraffects are what our actions demand.

Though actions are not the primary shaper of life, they are the inseparable companion to what is. Thoughts are the noun in the "sentence" of life, and actions are the verb. Thoughts come first, actions follow, but both are creative and elicit a response. We cannot avoid what our actions produce. For example, when we think hatefully, speak hatefully, and act hatefully, we invite hate into our lives.

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Much like our thoughts and words as potent energies drawing similar energies near us, to us- so does our actions, namely what we do. However, things are a great deal more complicated than that. Our behavior can be either the precipitating factor of attracting the energies of its kind, or the result of our afflicted (when the behaviors are negative ones) energy bodies (including our physical body, our etheric body, our astral body, and finally, our Higher Selves) with negative energies influencing us. Why we do what we do is a profound subject, and one can write many books about it. Many of us are under the influence of rigid thought forms or behavioral patterns, and until we stop being oblivious and start paying attention to those, we will very much likely remain afflicted by them.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 11:14 PM         

All along, from Appendix B:

ISBN-10: 1571743669

or

ISBN-13: 978-1571743664~

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Words are energy. They are a powerful vibrational and tonal means of creation. Throughout antiquity "the word" was considered a sacred power to be used prudently.

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We humans are favored with the conscious creative use of the spoken and written word. As part of our spiritual birthright, "the logos" is too often ignored and taken for granted. Speaking is a privilege of the conscious mind. In our daily lives we do not often consider the gift and the consequence of the spoken word. Regularly we neglect the discipline of intentional, careful use of our words. For the most part we pay little heed to what we say, how we say it, or when. Such a lackadaisical attitude regarding the power of our declarations has sometimes gotten us in trouble.

In days gone by, people realized that all words had issue. Agreements were contracted by a person's word. What one said had substance, and people were categorized by whether their "word" was good or bad (which meant meaningless). Now, however, we don't seem to take our words as seriously as we once did. Every day we say things without consideration of consequence. We do not mean what we say, or what we mean, we will not say. In emotional outbursts we blurt out cruel and vile words, words which compromise ourselves, and any others in their path.

This is a mistake. Words are still as potent and meaningful as ever they were; and like all volitional proclamations, enduring the consequences of our words remains a great prerogative. We can have the fruits of our pronouncements, or suffer the consequences of them.

Politicians battle with words, poets make love with words, storytellers enchant with words. Words of wisdom uplift us. With words we bless or condemn one another. By our word(s), we reveal the state of our relationship with our divine nature, and with the Source of that nature.

Yet the use of profanity has become so pervasive that it is no longer considered an insult to polite society. Profanity has become trendy and it is fashionable to lace our conversations with words which foul the mouth and taint the mind. We no longer flinch at the vulgarity we so regularly hear. However, not so long ago scurrilous speaking and irreverent attitudes for what is sacred was not a universally accepted part of speech. No culture can afford to disregard the language of its people. We who casually adopt an obscene way of speaking are greasing the slide to our own spiritual demise. By our words, we declare it so.

For this reason, we must not allow our wounds, fears, or weaknesses to "speak" for us. Unfortunately, this is often precisely what we do. Rather than simply telling the truth "I do not feel like going out this evening," we beg off a commitment by claiming "I don't feel so well. I think I am coming down with something."

This is not just using "our word" as an excuse, it is a proclamation for making oneself sick. We make vows of pain, limitation, and death; such as, "This is to-die-for." "I will never trust (men, women, you) again." "I hate you so much I wish you were dead." We issue damaging proclamations: "Marriages don't work." "Love never lasts." "Relationships always fail." "I never succeed at anything."

Remember, the creative universe takes everything we say or think as a standing order to bring forth. It does not "do" jokes, slang, or colloquialism. Because we do not realize the power of "the word" we continue to issue "orders" we do not want filled; and so we limit or harm ourselves, and one another, by wrong use of this power. When we "call forth" wrongly, whether we are aware of what we are saying or not, we deny ourselves the power of "speaking into" what we do want. Thus do we continuously limit and divert the power of our word.

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I also have had personal experiences that validate the above quote from the book, before I began to read this book. Words are indeed energy, and such potent energy naturally attracts energies which represent the type of words we say. Words, both spoken aloud or in our minds, like thoughts, bring forth either healing, miraculous, or devastating energies to us. In particular, the issue of profanity is discussed. This is way beyond a polite society, and not merely about a so-called polite society- as polite people may end up only repressing themselves and their desire to burst out such vulgarity; or otherwise, such so-called courteous or religious people use the euphemisms for obscenities instead, which carry just the same negative, harmful energies. Nowadays, profanity is regarded as part of the cultures, part of the cultural norm, part of the social norm, part of the "art of the languages", and actually considered fashionable for human beings to pollute their mouths and their minds. It takes much awareness and realization to see that profanity is not only abusive, but literally destructive, anti-life language. I have experienced how vulgarity harms life force. Profanity is most favored by the dark forces.

Just like the saying goes- "We are what we eat." Likewise, we become what we think, and we become what we speak. We are what we think, and we are what we speak. Our thoughts and words are matter and energy that draw their resonating energies near us, or to us. It takes a change of heart to realize that positive language is not just about common courtesy, but for reinforcing our life force, our well-being. On the other hand, negative language, profanity both strengthen death force, and attract destruction, negative energies, and either minor or major ailments or other trouble in life.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 16, 2009 11:55 PM         

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Casually and mindlessly uttering something removes it from having the context you just gave it. Those are completely incongruent ideas. You've taken the abstract and made it literal. The abstract is not literal.

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For one thing, you are highly unlikely to correctly interpret my reasoning, as I am highly unlikely to ever relate to yours; you thought a group suicide thread was all right, thought-provoking, inspirational, enlightening, and that "you had no moral dillema" with that, while I thought it was wrong, irresponsible, dangerous for those who already had been suicidal, or any other individual.

This is nit-picking again. First, we share common viewpoints about each other, which is nice; secondly, you and I are simply not on each other's wave-length. I am usually reluctant to make it personal when engaging in open debates- however, obviously the poster himself's Mercury in Sagittarius opposition Saturn in Gemini explains a lot. This opposition is by far the worst aspect for Mercury.

Neither abstract nor literal is the point here. Hair-splitting is. The bottom line is- whether one utters profanity with purpose, or casually and mindlessly- the energy of the words spoken is precisely the same. The motives do not matter. The words spoken matters.

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Furthermore, this notion that ALL thoughts create reality is COMPLETE NONSENSE. Who hasn't imagined the worst only to find that the worst wasn't manifested? I know I have, and on multiple occasions. Whatever higher power exists never fails to astound in turning seemingly devastating situations into benign incidents.

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Very rigid and inflexible thinking is going on here. The poster completely misunderstood, misinterpreted the meaning of the excerpt- again, it is his Mercury opposition Saturn, among other things.

Does one really believe what the above quote says is about "I fantasize about winning the grand prize of the lottery, so that should happen to me! But of course it doesn't, it remains my fantasy, thereby I declare the aforementioned excerpt is "nonsense".

Does one genuinely believe what the above excerpt says is about "I fantasize about killing somebody I hate so much, actually, I want them dead. So, naturally, they should be dead by now. But no! They are alive and well, safe and sound! This only remains my own imagination! How can I ever materialize my fantasies so downright easily? But of course that was "nonsense"!

The poster was taking that particular excerpt entirely out-of-context. It is about the words and images on your mind, as well as the words spoken, which are energies themselves- your fantasies do not need to come true to ever prove this point valid- far from it. What the author was getting at is that the more negative, hateful energies you harbor, the more you gradually, and eventually become more and more strongly negative, and hateful energy yourself. You might not experience negative consequences immediately, but all the while, the negative energies you generate are reinforcing your whole being as a negative being, when you are not even consciously aware of it. On the other hand, if the poster thought what the excerpt meant was "the more positive thoughts I think of, the more positive words I speak, I whence become positivity"- he had just grossly underestimated and misinterpreted the message conveyed. Next, I will discuss the poster's nonsensical assumption that my implication was about positive affirmations- TOTALLY UNTRUE. EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. What the author was trying to say was not that "I fantasize about getting rich, so I am going to become rich overnight." or " I fantasize about having sex with someone who turns me on, so the next thing that happens will be I am indeed getting the opportunity to have sex with this person." Gross misunderstanding, misinterpretation, and misleading statements. The thinking is rigid, inflexible, lacking in reading-between-the-lines, over-simplified, and nit-picking; seeing the tree instead of seeing the forest. Worse still, accompanied with either a conscious motive, or an unconscious desire for personal verbal fights for extremely personal reasons.

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I just posted this content the other day:

Think Again About Positive Thinking - Research suggests that affirmations may backfire.

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No one had ever mentioned positive affirmations until the poster did. He simply would love to find faults in the posts by an individual who is not on his wave-length, and he is not on the wave-length of the other person's, either. What I have posted has nothing whatsoever to do with positive affirmations- a typical New Age mindset. Ironically, contrary to what the poster had concluded, the author of all those excerpts is against the New Age doctrines, especially when it comes to positive affirmations. It is as though the poster had difficulty to maintain a disposition that would be more flexible, more balanced, but rather, he preferred going from one polar opposite to another, and nothing in-between. Most of all, an urge to quarrel and to pose himself as the opposition, simply unjustly misinterpreted the excerpts with his own hasty conclusions.

I have no intention whatsoever of ever conversing with the given poster. I shall not waste my precious time, energy, money to degrade myself and satisfy his verbal combating pleasure.

This thread is about swearing, and as well as any LL member's stance regarding swearing. I shall not allow myself to be intrigued to the extent of becoming part of the off-topic scheme.

He might expect that I exchange verbal insults and uncivilized disagreements with him- he is fatally mistaken about me this time round, and at least on the unconscious level, by having such presumptions, he is flattering himself- A verbal fight between he and I does not interest me. He'd better take note and memorize this. I am not interested in playing foolish games.

I thought I would like to share something with you all. Whether you accept it, or reject it, is entirely up to you. Your lives are none of my business, and all I did was sharing, and giving my two cents. May it be so.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 17, 2009 01:45 AM         

You are wrong about me interpretting your reasoning. Your reasoning is quite clear and well-stated, and it is based on your limited experience. It's not difficult to understand at all. I just disagree with it, as do MOST of the posters in this thread. Different experience results in different opinions. You obviously haven't been party to meaningless cussing to know exactly how benign it really is for a lot of people.

I rarely cuss these days as it doesn't fit my lifestyle, but when I was in the Navy it was as regular as any other language. You'd think that with all the cussing that exists on a ship it would be an absolutely horrible, evil experience based on your experience, but it wasn't. It was exactly the same as it would have been without cussing.

My Mercury opposite Saturn prevents me from unleashing my tongue in a more powerful and devastating form. It's really quite good in that regard.

It's amazing to me that you have the audacity to proclaim something as the "bottom line" even whilst having heard all the people that disagree with your assessment. We're all supposed to just understand that YOU have a grasp on the issue, and YOU know better than the rest of us?

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The bottom line is- whether one utters profanity with purpose, or casually and mindlessly- the energy of the words spoken is precisely the same.

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That's not true. How can the words have the same meaning without the same intent? "Two" doesn't equal "To." The word spoken is meaningless without an intent attached. It's not splitting hairs either. It's just what's obvious. There's an additional level of untruth here as well. A person of evil intent can voice that evil intent without the use of curse words. If what is spoken is what matters, and he doesn't cuss, then what? What if the evil person uses the word, "Plook," instead of a curse word. Does that spoken word matter? It's not a curse word.

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Very rigid and inflexible thinking is going on here.

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That's true...by the FIXED Sun.

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Does one really believe what the above quote says is about "I fantasize about winning the grand prize of the lottery, so that should happen to me! But of course it doesn't, it remains my fantasy, thereby I declare the aforementioned excerpt is "nonsense".

Does one genuinely believe what the above excerpt says is about "I fantasize about killing somebody I hate so much, actually, I want them dead. So, naturally, they should be dead by now. But no! They are alive and well, safe and sound! This only remains my own imagination! How can I ever materialize my fantasies so downright easily? But of course that was "nonsense"!

The poster was taking that particular excerpt entirely out-of-context.

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Here's part of the quote:

Thoughts come first, actions follow, but both are creative and elicit a response.

And in subsequent posts:

Remember, the creative universe takes everything we say or think as a standing order to bring forth. It does not "do" jokes, slang, or colloquialism. Because we do not realize the power of "the word" we continue to issue "orders" we do not want filled; and so we limit or harm ourselves, and one another, by wrong use of this power. When we "call forth" wrongly, whether we are aware of what we are saying or not, we deny ourselves the power of "speaking into" what we do want. Thus do we continuously limit and divert the power of our word.

That speaks quite literally about bringing forth reality with what you think about. I'm glad you agree that it's nonsense, but it is also what your post was literally talking about.

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No one had ever mentioned positive affirmations until the poster did.

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Of course not, but when you bring in quotes talking about thoughts bringing forth results, which you did, my posting that became relevant.

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Ironically, contrary to what the poster had concluded, the author of all those excerpts is against the New Age doctrines, especially when it comes to positive affirmations.

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That contradicts what was written in the sections you posted. You believe, based on this book, that it's garbage in, garbage out. Positive affirmations are supposed to be a key towards maintaining a more positive mental state. If there's no garbage in, then no garbage will come out. It's completely in line with your quotes.

It makes sense for someone peddling self-help stuff to try to distance themselves from the category of New Age. Some people won't buy New Age books. It's just marketing strategy as far as I'm concerned.

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Most of all, an urge to quarrel and to pose himself as the opposition, simply unjustly misinterpreted the excerpts with his own hasty conclusions.

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It's interesting that you use the word "unjustly," because when I argue with someone and everyone lines up behind me, it's typically because I am the most "just" and fair of the people in the conversation. If you treated information fairly yourself (instead of just deciding that you must be right despite having a different experience set than everyone else), you wouldn't find people disagreeing with you so often.

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I am not interested in playing foolish games.

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You are playing a foolish game, and one you're not likely to win.

posted July 17, 2009 02:11 AM         

Now, serious moderator shoes on:

Can we remember that we are expressing "opinions" here and that doesn't necessary make them "truths". While something can be a truth for someone, that doesn't make them truths for everyone.

Agree to disagree and all that.

Groovy.

Serious moderator shoes off:

posted July 17, 2009 02:14 AM         

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When I was younger I used to "invent" swear words.............like Fluck.

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Oh, that's so funny. My children come home with words that I've never even heard of. Now I know why. There's some kid in the background inventing their own. Great!

posted July 17, 2009 02:17 AM         

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Furthermore, this notion that ALL thoughts create reality is COMPLETE NONSENSE. Who hasn't imagined the worst only to find that the worst wasn't manifested? I know I have, and on multiple occasions.

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posted July 17, 2009 03:22 AM         

Anyone can see exactly who started the fight with me first.

My reply to him was a long and argumentative one? His to me, too.

A Fixed Sun? Is that astrologically informed? Hasn't anybody told this person that the whole natal chart needs to be taken into consideration? I have 3 Fixed placements, yet I have 8 Mutables. Go figure.

You detest me- fine, why don't you ignore me, as I've been merrily ignoring you and your provocation on my self-introduction thread? Leave me alone and chat on with your fans.

Agree to disagree.

Get a life. I DO have a life, and I do not intend to waste it on (...).

My "limited" experience? My "audacity"?

You don't know me.

You have no idea what I am.

Enough said.

Now I am going to ignore you as though you are invisible. Whatever you say or you do not say, I shall ignore you and enjoy my good life.

D

posted July 17, 2009 08:30 AM         

Interesting. F*ck pasta - would, by general consensus, have to be a white cream sauce. Why hasn't Martha Stewart thought of this?