posted July 17, 2009 10:22 AM         

i live a colorful life, and i speak a colorful language.

if you ever say the word mutha f-er out loud. just try it. it feels good. like realeasing some pent up something.

my son used to say it a lot and said it a few times in a row, so i said, hhhmmm,,,, let me say it, mutha f-er....and then it felt so good , so we all took turns saying it around the room. say it out loud right now and you will see it does feel good.

i usually say dagnabit (when i screw up a song i say dagnabit so much thats what we named our band) and dadblamit, but i can never deny i do have a colorful language and make up my own cuss words too.

posted July 17, 2009 12:51 PM         

This is especially the case with Aspergers.

I also want to add

please don't use people's astrological placements to point out people's perceived shortcomings. That's one of my petpeeves.

That happened to me one time back in 2001.
I posted some ideas about black moon.
An astrologer that disagreed with me, pointed out my Moon square Neptune dreams up stuff. I told her off too, and she apologized.

Lets not be using people's charts against each other.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted July 17, 2009 01:25 PM         

Swearing makes Palin More Tolerable

posted July 17, 2009 01:39 PM         

as to whether positive thinking is effective or not, i think it goes both ways. someone with a seriously negative attitude will respond to positive messages with all the "yes, buts" and "yeah, rights" they can muster.

with time and repetition someone likened the process to a glass full of muddy water. when you pour clean water in, at first it stirs up the mud and things look worse, but if you KEEP pouring in the clean water it eventually forces all the mud out...

posted July 19, 2009 12:43 AM         

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Thank you. You don't have to, T

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I no longer swear.

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It does not make me a better person.

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Profanity is the language of hate.

The language of death force.

The language most favored by the dark forces.

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If I sound judgmental, I don't mean to be. It just is.

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Again, it by no means makes me a better individual.

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Just my two cents.

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I would not categorize anyone as "not worthy" or "not my friend" if one does swear.

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More excerpts from the same book (which I would not recommend for several reasons, hence my referring to it with its ISBN numbers, instead of the book title)-

From ISBN-10: 1571743669

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ISBN-13: 978-1571743664, Appendix B, by the same co-author whose material I have quoted~

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Many of us are products of the New Age Movement. In the 1960s we learned that we could handle everything with affirmations. We affirmed that: "Every day in every way we are getting better and better." We assumed that endlessly saying this would really have impact.
We did not know enough to do the necessary spiritual homework of preparing the mind to integrate the deeper meaning of affirmation that it may be brought forth into experience that is impactful.

Further, we learned "If I do not believe 'it' is real, 'it' is not real." This kind of spiritual shortsightedness has no protection in it. Many of us are still functioning within that framework. We would like to think we have left it behind, yet we still live as if wishing will make "it" so. This is spiritual denial and it is "slippery" in the ways it tantalizes us into believing about ourselves what is so only in potential.

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Neither is forgiveness the New Age habit of burying unresolved injuries and injustices under sugar-coated affirmations. Pretending to let the hurt go only insures it will fester and resurface more virulently at some other inopportune time.

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This is beyond the comprehension of human beings.

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No human beings are capable of understanding the true power of words. They will continue to abuse the energy of words, and that is entirely their business

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Human use of profanity is inevitable and unstoppable, so mote it be.

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posted July 19, 2009 12:44 AM         

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How many times have we heard the ancient adage: "Your actions speak louder than your words." To this we may add: "Your actions speak as loudly as your thoughts."

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This explains how a human's pretensious sugar-coated "kind words" with ulterior motives do not count as "positive language"- as clearly, pretense, hypocrisy as the disguise of negative intents are exactly your true actions- your actions that seek and lead to negative outcomes, as you wish. Therefore, when some of you debate that how can hypocritical nice things said could ever be "positive language", this is the answer: your action taken is to seek harm, and that's what your action is likely to produce. Human beings have always think they are intelligent beings, would come up with as many complicated theories as possible, while going totally astray from the point; and further confusing themselves, still oblivious about their own bewilderment, immersed in the bliss of ignorance- which is considered or presented as human supremacy, human intellectual conceit, and human complacency.

The following notions have been grotesquely misinterpreted:

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What we think, say and do are the raw materials of creativity. We become, or we manifest the in-kind product of our ideas, declarations, and actions.

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Thoughts are things. They take form and impact our lives and the world at large. Until we fully comprehend that the power of our mind is sufficient to "create" the world we live in, we can delude ourselves into believing that so long as we are not aware what we are thinking, we will be spared the consequences of those thoughts. All thoughts have consequences that are causal in life. Ignorance of what we are creating with our thoughts is not a protection from the repercussions of those thoughts.

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This means, the more negative thinking you have on your mind, the more often you think in a negative way, be it pessimistic, self-destructive, apprehensive, sad, angry, resentful, jealous, greedy, cruel- the more negative a being you become, and you are usually totally unaware of this on the conscious level. It's not necessarily about what you imagine and what happens. It's about the more negativity you harbor, as actions, as words spoken, written or read, or as thoughts- the more a negative being you are becoming. You are becoming more and more confused, combative, restless, fearful, insecure, greedy, unperceptive, violent (either physically, verbally, mentally, or spiritually), and so on. What you imagine or fantasize about and what happens are not the point being stressed here. It's about your thoughts (as well as your actions/intentions and your words) gradually but steadily shaping the being that you are becoming- chaotic, confrontational, argumentative, partial, having intellectual or spiritual blockage, among many other things.

Once again, it is witnessed how people here have chosen the easy path to over-simplify, to underestimate, to misinterpret what is true positivity, for their own convenience of their own perception and belief systems. The co-author openly opposed the sugar-coated affirmations. What is true positivity, instead of self-deceptive affirmations, is for you to figure out- that is, if you ever truly care enough to. That is your business, and none of anybody else's business. Period.

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When I am fearful, I can be harmful. When I am loving, I can be helpful. Love joins; this is healing. Fear separates; this is traumatic. What could be clearer?

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You'd do. You just don't realize it. Oblivion and lacking in self-examination are easier choices. The above quote is precisely the case- but humankind continues to think, speak, and act hatefully (for the majority of them) while completely overlook how their lives could have been much better off without actions, thoughts, and language of hate.

Not always the case, but oftentimes- The more you learn, the less you know.

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Every day we say things without consideration of consequence. We do not mean what we say, or what we mean, we will not say.

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Because we do not realize the power of "the word"...and so we limit or harm ourselves, and one another, by wrong use of this power.

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We can have the fruits of our pronouncements, or suffer the consequences of them.

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Contrary to the way this, among other quotes I had posted had been misinterpreted, the consequences of your words are not definitely immediate, most of the time. Rather, the consequences of your language are long-term and subtle.

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We who casually adopt an obscene way of speaking are greasing the slide to our own spiritual demise. By our words, we declare it so.

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Words are energy. They are a powerful vibrational and tonal means of creation.

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So are your thoughts and your actions- including your true motives and intents. All this is to be taken with subtlety, not otherwise.

In case some of you still do not understand: I am not here to seek acceptance. I am here to share. Freedom of speech is one of the rights we here at LL have. Agree to disagree, and take it or leave it.

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posted July 19, 2009 05:33 AM         

D, I'm sure everyone in this thread understands your point. I do. I only want to point out that just because most of us here approve of swearing in a context similar to the article's subject, it doesn't mean we go on rampage every chance we get to hurt others with our words. We are not like that.

It's not the words that come out of our mouth that's the most fatal, it's those words that stay in the mind unreleased, especially those that are on repeat mode and charged with intense emotion. It's not as simple as the book you're quoting says it is.

For you to understand my point, I will have to go into a discussion on the nature of sound, resonance and similar stuff and relate them to psychology, biology and lots more stuff. I can't do it right now because my brain is still on sleep mode.

posted July 19, 2009 06:56 AM         

I'm so slow sometimes. Derrrr!!!

Just looking at the LLC2 page and looked at the title of this thread and saw "Swearing Makes Palin More Tolerable".

posted July 19, 2009 08:52 AM         

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I know I dont have to, but I did. It's just natural to me, not to fuss. You believe one way, I another. Big deal. Did you think i felt like I had to? I just let things go easier and accept that others have different opinions and dislike dragging things out or beating dead horses. My point was to say that even though people may not agree with you, we still understand your argument. I havent thoroughly read your posts because I already get where youre coming from and know that argument. And i think i may have ADD because I quickly skip over long posts. lol

Because someone swears does not mean they choose to act, think and speak hatefully on a regular basis or even more than most and are always attracting negativity into their lives. It seems that you think because someone swears, they are then a particular kind of person and should stop because it's destroying them - or perhaps the entire world?

Do you think this is a good thread to educate people on the power of their thoughts? I dont understand why you are continuing to make your point. I think everyone understands. I'm just saying this because I don't think you understand that we understand your argument. Most of us here know alot about the power of thoughts, manifestation etc. I dont think that relates so much to swearing when you bump your head or even in fun with friends. I guess you equate swearing with negativity and there is no other way to take them? Since thoughts are so powerful and I dont take swearing that way, I would think they dont have the same effect on me as you. Afterall, it's the thought energy behind them that's charging them up with one emotion or another. And your emotions hurt you more than another. Like Buddha said, holding onto anger is like being stuck with a burning coal and wanting to throw it at someone. It hurts you. Yet, swearing isnt always done out of anger.

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In case some of you still do not understand: I am not here to seek agreement. I am here to share. Freedom of speech is one of the rights we here at LL have. Agree to disagree, and take it or leave it.

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Could you explain more about why you are here making these kinds of posts in this thread then? It seems most of us have agreed to disagree without even saying so. Though I did, to hint to you that we get it, D. Do you think people need to come around to your way of thinking? Perhaps you see this as an opportunity for you to educate? Or that we dont have enough of an awareness about this particular subject? I'm sincerely curious. Of course there is freedom of speech here and no one is trying to shut you up, we are also just responding to your posts, but I dont think you have taken anyone elses point into consideration either and agreed to disagree. It seems very black and white to you you. And you come back armed with quotes from some book that you are "not recommending"? I'm curious about that.

*Oh wait, your first two sentences just hit me. You said: "In case some of you still do not understand. I am not here to seek agreement."

Not even agreeing to disagree, as you brought up again? Or taking it and leaving it?

It seems everyone here has been doing that.

In my experience, actions do speak louder than words. I know some very kind people who actually swear. I also know some angry people who do not. And the other way around. I'm thinking of one in particular who lets her repressed anger come out in more unconscious ways. To her, swearing looks bad to others and is not a spiritual thing to do, but she is not a very nice person and this comes out hurtfully in other ways with others in her life. I'm not saying that if she swore every once in awhile it would help, but it might!

You dont have to bother responding to all of this. Just one question: Do you think that people dont hear what you are saying on this matter? That most of us have not studied up on thoughts creating things?

The whole thoughts creating things, has become another interesting subject to me. I dont think it's quite as simple as some of the new age-ers would like to believe or have us believe. It has become tired to me. The best thing I've done for myself over the past couple of years is to have become less rigid and just live kindly. A sometimes potty mouth and all.

I may delete this because I dont want to continue on with a pointless arguement or waste time and am still agreeing to disagree. Maybe you are just trying to speak up for people who are against swearing.

Good day.

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D, I'm sure everyone in this thread understands your point. I do. I only want to point out that just because most of us here approve of swearing in a context similar to the article's subject, it doesn't mean we go on rampage every chance we get to hurt others with our words. We are not like that.

It's not the words that come out of our mouth that's the most fatal, it's those words that stay in the mind unreleased, especially those that are on repeat mode and charged with intense emotion. It's not as simple as the book you're quoting says it is.

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posted July 19, 2009 12:17 PM         

I understand, and live my life according to, the premise that words can harm.
And I understand the language of hate (eg, racism, misogyny, etc), although I eschew and disavow it.
I have little respect for those who swear all the time – I see people like that as crippled verbally, by their own choice.
But I don’t subscribe to the idea/tenet that occasionally uttering the words “sh*t!” when I bleed or “oh for F***’s sake!!” when I hurt myself at the gym is going to ‘grease the slide to my spiritual demise’.
My world is not so starkly black and white…..

posted July 21, 2009 12:19 AM         

This scientific experiment with the use of vulgarity to minimize physical pain is not certainly definitive. It may appear to many as a significant one, but there is a possibility that it ends up being a misleading one. Note I said "possibility"; please read my statements correctly.

Life needs not the use of obscenities. Not in any of the numerous, diverse facets of life. Humans simply find it hard to come to terms with their unconsicous anger, jealousy, envy, greed, self-pity, self-hatred, resentment toward others, imbalanced self-image, insecurity, apprehension, fear, latent cruelty, and a latent desire for violence. Therefore they feel the need to use expletives.

No one is the so-called brain police. All beings, humans or otherwise, have their own virtues, as well as vices.

I am speaking for myself, not for those so-called people who are against cursing, such as conservatives, religious individuals and so forth- because most of them are merely repressing themselves without truly understanding the total unnecessity of swearing.

There are indeed some use of language of the co-author I have been quoting that is neither tactful nor precise.

Instead of "spiritual demise", I personally would rephrase it as spiritual decay, which is less likely to be felt immediately, but rather manifests as chronic, unseen ill energies that affect one's life, one's loved ones's lives, and many others, and since the use of vulgarity is virtually universal, this has become a chronic, collective human condition - anyone, regardless of the circumstances, who utters profanity, has little idea about the powerful energy she or he has just sent out to the ethers, spread, intensified, and crystallized; uttering "sh*t" when I bleed, or "for F***'s sake!" when I hurt myself at the gym, may not bring out my own instant demise- but very slowly, over the years, over the decades, I am going deeper and deeper into my own spiritual decay. All the while, I may never even realize how confused and oblivious I have been, I am becoming, or I am.

And this is not about a world of only black and white. Humankind tends to complicate matters in life, be intellectually conceited, develops countless theories, beliefs, concepts, but never hits home. The more they learn, the less they know. They often see the tree without seeing the forest. With millenia of the so-called human evolution, human beings, to this day, remain ignorant about themselves, confused, and chaotic, while totally oblivious about how together they all make their own contribution to the state of the world today. It is exactly humans themselves who tend to interpret input with intellectual complacency, an unconscious black and white outlook, a closed mind, and to react with their own already bewildered thinking, rather than feeling it, or tuning into it.

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But in truth, does aggression really make you stronger? Is aggression so "macho" that it is so desirable? Can you still be strong, and stay strong, without such aggression? What is true weakness? Being dependent on the use of profanity is, among many other things. True strength is not the equivalent to aggression. When one possesses true strength, she or he does not need swearing whatsoever, regardless of any type of pain, on any level.

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"Our research shows one potential reason why swearing developed and why it persists,"

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They thought it did, but they did not perceive the collective human condition with all aspects taken into consideration.

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"Swearing has been around for centuries and is an almost universal human linguistic phenomenon," said Richard Stephens of Keele University in England and one of the authors of the new study.

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And such an almost universal human linguistic phenomenon perfectly reflects the state of the world, and how human beings have been, and still are, and will continue to be- contributing to the dark forces in the world. But humans tend to think it is no big deal, without giving it a second thought, and to scrutinize the impact made by themselves with daily, occasional but casual, intentional or unintentional...use of language of negativity- which not only includes profanity, but many other uses of language in such a way as well.

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posted July 21, 2009 01:16 AM         

ISBN-10: 1571743669

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ISBN-13: 978-1571743664 (some may be requoted), Appendix B~

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Though one may be well schooled in religious dogma and ritual, most of us remain spiritually illiterate. Spiritual education has less to do with a particular set of dogmatic rules, and more to do with knowing and applying practical tools for sustaining "the good life" while facing the challenges of physicality.

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By our lack of attention, and because of our fear of being flawed or unworthy, we are "persuaded" to ignore a limitless amount of available information. We discount, reject, and shrug off all kinds of useful information.

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When we convince ourselves, "if I refuse to believe this is happening, it cannot be happening," we add to the load of spiritual fiction that compromises our life.

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Silimar to "If I refuse to believe this is real, it cannot be real."; "If I refuse to believe profanity is harmful rather than healing, profanity cannot be as harmful as some say, and may be therapeutic as the research article seems to have proven to be."

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Many of us are products of the New Age Movement...

We did not know enough to do the necessary spiritual homework of preparing the mind to integrate the deeper meaning of affirmation...

Further, we learned "If I do not believe 'it' is real, 'it' is not real." This kind of spiritual shortsightedness has no protection in it...

This is spiritual denial...

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Some participants here have commented that they thought this co-author was a New Ager- which is a major misunderstanding. The co-author is NOT a New Ager, and is openly against the New Age religion/spirituality. I am not a New Ager, either- most definitely not.

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Being accountable means that I am answerable for my choices. In other words, I accept the consequences of my choices. Further I realize it is likely I shall be " called to account" for my choices.

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Among which is one's choice of vocabulary. And also one's choice to use words to their fullest, or to misuse them, or even to abuse them- certainly not exclusively obscenity, but among which is exactly obscenity.

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We humans want all the liberties and freedoms of the masterful, but we don't want the accountability. It behooves us to first look only to ourselves for all problems and all solutions. Radical responsibility brings radical power.

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"Response-ableness" is a blessing, not a curse, and not a duty. It is by being response-able that we claim our authority

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To turn away from response-ableness is to disclaim our original nature, and thereby "slide sideways" into thinking ourselves as less than we were created to be.

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Notwithstanding there are factors from our environment, from our past, that affect us to any given degree, as mature individuals, we ought to take entire responsibility for our own lives, and we are completely responsible for ourselves, for our lives; likewise, we are fully responsible for, and held accountable for, our choices of our actions, thoughts, and words. Unless we discover external interference in the spiritual spheres afflicting our own mind and behavior- we are totally held accountable for, and fully responsible for our words.

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Most of us do not much like discipline. It asks too much of us. After all, we...

do not want anyone telling us what to do or how to do it...

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spiritual awareness will not develop.

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Linda Goodman wrote in "Star Signs":

"Discipline procedes dominion."

True discipline is not repression, or obedience to religious, spiritual, intellectual, cultural, or social dogma. True discipline comes from within, and is part of true strength.

Human beings's heavy dependence on profanity is one of humans's most enormous weaknesses- swearing does not make one stronger; swearing makes one weaker- spiritually, mentally, and on a much more subtle level- physically. Humankind allows itself to blurt out expletives or otherwise polite but with ulterior motives kind of language, on the verge of a total lack of restraint. True discipline is not unnecessary limits or restrictions; true discipline is power, as well as wisdom (which procedes knowledge).

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Neither is forgiveness the New Age habit of burying unresolved injuries and injustices under sugar-coated affirmations.

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Once again, please read carefully: the co-author is not a New Ager; in fact, her opposition to New Age is evident in her statements. Her work has nothing to do with New Age.

Human beings's frequent use of vulgarity contributes to the state of the world today.

Human beings's nearly universal use of profanity reflects the state of the unconscious, the state of mind, the state of being, as well as the state of the collective human condition today, of humans themselves.

Human beings's addiction to, or dependence on, as well as self-justification of their use of obscenity, perfectly demonstrates the lack of peace of mind, and the lack of true strength of human beings.

D