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Unmoved
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posted October 28, 2009 05:34 AM
 
 The SABC is the South African Broadcasting Corp. I really can't stand this type of attitude, and from a a person who was experiencing apartheid just a few years ago, to be so readily prejudice toward another, is like a slap in the face. You'd think people who've been through such would be more tolerant of those in similar positions, but I guess not. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 05:52 AM
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You'd think people who've been through such would be more tolerant of those in similar positions, but I guess not.
You'd think so. But not.  Boo. It frustrates me that people think this way. I know each to their own, but a big "but" on this one. I suppose everyone is subject to some kind of prejudice. That itself should be enough to encourage understanding and compassion. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 06:22 AM
Jeez PA, this is an important issue, and you can't get big butts off your mind even now.Hey Unmoved, this is horrible and disturbing. It's curious and fascinating that people are so threatened by what other people do with their pink bits. I mean, why? When you look at racism and homophobia it just makes no sense. Skin colour? Are we still doing this? Really? It makes me despair. It's senseless. Just dropping in today, missed you guys.  IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted October 28, 2009 06:41 AM
PA- Boo, indeed!! Wheelsie!!! We missed you too!! IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 06:46 AM
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels  My big butt and I are happy to, ummm, see you. Yes, I think the same about people being threatened about what others do with their pink bits. I think it has to do with their own sexuality. Though I find it ironic that people who are threatened by or critical of homosexuality focus so much on the sex act itself. They can't see that that other pink part - the heart - has a lot to do with it. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 06:53 AM
Some idiot raised my ire yesterday when outside my classroom window he started yelling "faggot" at some guy. Arggghhhhh!!! That wasn't the worst part. Someone in my class said that it wasn't nice even if "he is one". Inadvertently calling him the same thing! Some of our class mates gathered around the window to take a look at the argument. As the guys are looking out the window I let out a wolf whistle. I'm hoping that he thinks that the men in IT fancy him now. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 06:55 AM
Girleens! Yep, I agree PA, I think it has to do with their sexuality too. It raises a whole load of issues about the fluidity of sexuality. I am surprised by the attitudes of a lot of men of my aquaintance on this one. They are so threatened, boyfriend included. Not so much on lesbianism obviously, because they feel lesbianism is for their own enjoyment and that it still involves them (it doesn't) but finding male gay people's activities so horrifying. This attitude is rife. I'm considering joining Stonewall. Why not, just because I'm not gay right now (never would rule out this possibility though, heavily Aquarian influences, open to bisexuality or the potential of it) - why should the state be involved in who you love or who loves you? It is so not over, hatred of gay people. It is so recent that people were "allowed" to be gay in public. It's a human rights issue, not a sex issue, and I want to be involved. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 06:57 AM
Yes, yes, yes. So right about men being threatened by the sexuality of other men, but when it comes to women, whole different story.IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted October 28, 2009 07:00 AM
Yeah, it has always been a mystery as to why female homosexuals are "okay" with the guys... IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 07:01 AM
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Are we still doing this?
You know, this really summed it up for me. We talk about human evolution, but that people still think like this........ oh man! That they ever thought it at all.  Sometimes I think our ancestors were more understanding than us. I mean, when I think of the Ancient Greek and Roman cultures, etc. Perhaps it's all pre-Christian that I'm thinking of? IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted October 28, 2009 07:03 AM
UnmovedI think most women will roll their eyes at the general male perception of that. We all know the answer to that. How that differs from women to men? The only reasoning is that in their own minds. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 07:16 AM
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I think most women will roll their eyes at the general male perception of that. We all know the answer to that.
I think it's to do with it being a male-dominated society. Women are "permitted" to be lesbians by men - are we supposed to be grateful for that? Oh thanks, men, now I have your blessing I can be free to munch rugs with an easy heart. It's a power thing. Some heterosexual men are uncomfortable because they might have to address that they don't own the world, and other men act differently to them. Gay men are not interested in giving "permissions" to women, it often doesn't enter their minds that they could be so patronising, this is why I often like gay men because they just let people be people. Straight men are chucking their toys out of their prams on this one because it's a power struggle. Male heterosexuality versus women (all women, not just gay women) and homosexual men. They are only just entertaining the idea that they are not the only fish in the pond and they are obviously reluctant to concede their authority. It takes maturity and it's lacking in some men. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 07:16 AM
It's not about sex, it's about power.IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 07:17 AM
Same as rape is about power, not sex.IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 07:20 AM
Good old Pluto in Capricorn should send this generation reeling. I think this is what this Pluto era is all about. Sex and authority. Challenging the boundaries of male authority.IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted October 28, 2009 07:23 AM
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Good old Pluto in Capricorn should send this generation reeling. I think this is what this Pluto era is all about. Sex and authority. Challenging the boundaries of male authority.
Nice thinking, wheels! You are onto something. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 07:34 AM
That makes a change!  IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted October 28, 2009 10:45 AM
The news last night reported that there is a rise in reported homophobic attacks (U.K).The link below is from a report earlier in the year. It carries a warning as it is disturbing material.It's very upsetting, but the title gives that away.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/12/eudy-simelane-corrective-rape-south-africa Did they find the thickest man in South Africa? It hurts him a lot that women are lesbians, he actually says this on tape. As well as other mind-boggling comments.
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katatonic
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posted October 28, 2009 11:32 AM
i don't know about south african blacks but it is fairly common in MY experience for blacks to consider homosexuals to be "willing perverts" as opposed to just being "that way". when obama won i talked to my son-in-law(ex - he is black) and asked if he voted "of course" was the answer. i observed that "now we are all officially equal, unless you're gay that is!" to which his reply was "that is different. they choose to be that way. they experiment in school and decide they like it"the religious side of him (and he is pretty bipolar about religion) condemns this "perversion" at the same time it condemns discrimination due to colour. go figure. but VERY common. as far as men being okay with lesbians i think it is because there is NO IMPLICATION that they (the straight men) might also be gay when you are talking about women. i think most homophobia comes from the subconscious identification (because the same sex) and ALSO the fear that some gay guy might come onto them if they are not super-ANTI... in the massage field there are scads of men who won't be massaged by a man. in case they get aroused (and therefore humiliated) in the process...if it happens with a woman they see it as just a healthy accident, but with a man it might indicate something they don't want to acknowledge... IP: Logged |
pire
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posted October 28, 2009 12:39 PM
hello wheels i was very disapointed the first time i realised that minority never supported each other. when i found out that muslim (10% of the french pop is muslim) were seriously homophobic, and black too, i was truly disapointed. but i know there are gays who are ******* and i shouldn't expect people to be cool because they are gay. i'm straight acting because i didn't want to impose it on other, and i didn't want to create trouble for myself, and i hate ghettos. in my daily life, i think i've changed the mind of many people on this matter by being just me. however i'm not scared. i'm thinking of learning aikido so i will be able to defend myself if necessary, especially because aikido is a sport for defense more than attack. i understand that black or muslim are against it, white were putting gays in jail up until the 70's at least in france. what i've found out in my real life experience is that people, even the most homophobics, change their mind if: -they don't feel threatened
-they are not the only one liking you but they can see you are appreciated by others.
-you are not "in their face"
-you don't ask for a special treatment.
-you have an individualised link with each of them then, they start to reconsider you and see that you aren't totally different, or not the evil thing they thought gays were. this take time. one thing is sure, is that i am not looking for anyone's approval except my mother's (and i've got it now - 10 years after i came out)
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wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 01:03 PM
Pire! I will say that I have a huge problem with you being gay, huge. Because I secretly hope to "turn" you and have loads of brown eyed cheese-eating French babies. It's only a choice, you pervert!  *le sigh* Ah, it sucks that people are so cruel to other people. I couldn't open your link in work Blue, I can only imagine. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted October 28, 2009 01:05 PM
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as far as men being okay with lesbians i think it is because there is NO IMPLICATION that they (the straight men) might also be gay when you are talking about women. i think most homophobia comes from the subconscious identification (because the same sex) and ALSO the fear that some gay guy might come onto them if they are not super-ANTI...
I liked this, it made a lot of sense Kat, and something I hadn't thought about. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted October 28, 2009 03:38 PM
of course i am generalizing here. exceptions do tend to prove the rule though.and i agree it's a bummer for us that pire is gay, but then he does make a most excellent friend!! i agree with your approach completely, mon petit choux... IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted October 28, 2009 05:01 PM
Oh my God blue moon. I am horrified!! Thank you for sharing. This is terrible!!IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted October 28, 2009 05:27 PM
Mannish lesbians are threatening to men. Though mannish lesbians are rarely (to my knowledge) raped over it like other lesbians get, and I mean here in the USA. And some people, especially the hardcore religious ones, don't like any lesbians. Interesting to me is the Guy/Boy Code. I don't understand it, but I have noticed a disturbing trend in it: guys they don't like are shunned (and worse) while being called "gay" or after female genitalia. Combined with the "F-You!" it makes me wonder if men shouldn't call sex "making hate." The entire point seems to be if you'll let yourself be touched by male genitalia, you are weak, pathetic, and less than they are. And the act of sex (rape?) proves it, because apparently it's not an act of love, but one of domination, even contempt or outright hatred. Consider the "corrective rapes" and the hateful way of saying, "F-you!" Note, I'm NOT confusing rape & sex, it's just with the censor feature on this board I can't outright say what I mean. Please look at how guys use their language to see what I mean. They wouldn't use their words that way unless they thought that way at some level. And that scares me. That guy code could account for a lot of homophobia, too, because gays would be like blasphemous to it. Even the "macho" gays would be shrugging off its conventions. IP: Logged |
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