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iQ
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posted December 30, 2009 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
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of course i had no desire to get up today...
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Come on Lara! You are an immortal, just give it some more time, he will have to get back to you and only you. He cant get a fashion model to distract himself anymore, he is not Bruce Willis. You are in his Aura and mindspace. Whats a few months?

I quote in hindi:
Aur kab tak Bhagega?
Aapke paas hi to Aayega!
(How long will he run?
To you only he can return.)

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
THANK YOU IQ.

Thank you - i really needed to hear these words. He will come back.
"What dreams may come"

Blessings to you

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WinkAway
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posted December 30, 2009 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
My ex used to wake up and tell me about the strangest dreams he had. He would tell me that he traveled to different dimensions, etc. I used to think he was just that much more...nuts (you have to meet my ex to understand that one) lol. But I do believe that there is so much more to our abilities as human beings that we comprehend. After all, we only use a small part of our brain.

And Lara... just wanted to tell you how beautiful your description of twin flames was to me. There's someone in my life who feels like that but circumstances thru the years have seperated us. We met when we were 3 years old. I have always believed that we were destined to be together. Very strong feelings there. But now that we are 39 yrs old.. I wonder if it will ever happen for us in this lifetime.
Anyway, I'm rambling.. just wanted to tell you how much I related to your words and how much they moved me.

carry on... lol!

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you WinkAway, you twinkling STAR!


Happy New Year everyone... LL is such a tranquil haven for me at times like this. xxxx

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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
People, what you are describing are just various types of dreams. What does it even mean to hop to another dimension? Can any of you explain it in further detail instead of just agreeing by saying "Me Too!"? Our intentions should always be for us to conform to the TRUTH, not to the Group.

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WinkAway
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posted December 30, 2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
I can't give you a quote from a book or something I read or even heard.
Alot we experience in life is just that... experiences or maybe even a feeling.
Not everything can be explained away by science.

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
The most important things in life are gained by personal experience, and personal experience can be hard to put into words!

Jumping Parallels is equally hard to explain.

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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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I can't give you a quote from a book or something I read or even heard.

Don't you know how to THINK for yourself? I didn't ask you for a quote, I asked you for an explanation! Explain it as you experienced it. If you have no way to explain what you claim to experience, I don't believe that you have had the experience and you are a LIAR! You lie in order to receive attention from others by portraying yourself to be something you are not. This is the OPPOSITE of spiritual awareness and I am highly offended by it. Do not dare lie in a post that I create about the importance of Truth and God.

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The most important things in life are gained by personal experience, and personal experience can be hard to put into words!

First half is true, second half is false. You did the same thing with your Einstein quote. Personal experience is the easiest thing to explain unless you're only a robot, disconnected from yourself, knowing only how to recite the words of others. If you experience something, but cannot explain it then why mention it? So we can say we believe you without having any good reason to? I didn't know this was a "support group" My intention in coming here was to gain greater knowledge. I can go to Church if all I wanna get is an Amen.

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Polo

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I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine.
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you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

NOW, lets get back to topic, shall we?

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amowls*
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posted December 30, 2009 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Spiritual Experiences are spiritual because they are hard to describe/explain.

Plus, it is deeply personal and doesn't even NEED to be explained to other people. No one needs validation for their spiritual experiences.

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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine.

This is not about why we are in the world, it's about why we are on the thread. If you respond to "My Post" you are EXPECTED to answer MY question, regarding MY topic, otherwise, why are you here?

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Spiritual Experiences are spiritual because they are hard to describe/explain.

Spiritual experiences are "Spiritual" because they deal with both Consciousness and Design. What you say amowls is a "Cop Out" for you to hide your own ignorance concerning the matter.

How does a thing being Personal free it from neededing an explanation? Where do you get these foolish philosophies?

Okay, let me make a statement about myself because this is becoming frustrating _

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I, Polo C, am here to search for truth and greater understanding. I am also here to share some insights I have that may further someone else's understanding. If you are not here to do either of these things, please, do not respond to my post as I am not interested in speaking with you and you only serve to frustrate my process.

Lara, this has been going on with you for two days now. Can we stop it please, right now. If you can't explain it, I don't wanna read about it because it is a waste of my time.

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venus in gemini
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posted December 30, 2009 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I quote in hindi:

Aur kab tak Bhagega?
Aapke paas hi to Aayega!
(How long will he run?
To you only he can return.)


Thank you for that IQ.

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Exactly Amowls... and in truth Polo, find your own experiences for yourself..

you cannot continue to find something in others experiences and try to make them a part of your own, and getting frustrated really doesn't help.

I have free will and if i don't wish at this moment in time to respond to your commands or tantrums then i'm sorry but that is how it is.

I am going through my own personal transformation at the moment and i would like my world and LL to remain positive and enlightening.

Peace

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WinkAway
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posted December 30, 2009 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Polo...

Okay, first off I didn't claim to have any experience. Please read my posts above before bashing me and calling me names.

Second is obvious... lighten up!

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Unmoved
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posted December 30, 2009 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Polo C -

The below quoted statements and accusations are not sitting well with me.

To Lara:

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You didn't figure that out yourself... You read it!

To WinkAway:

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Don't you know how to THINK for yourself? I didn't ask you for a quote, I asked you for an explanation! Explain it as you experienced it. If you have no way to explain what you claim to experience, I don't believe that you have had the experience and you are a LIAR! You lie in order to receive attention from others by portraying yourself to be something you are not. This is the OPPOSITE of spiritual awareness and I am highly offended by it. Do not dare lie in a post that I create about the importance of Truth and God.

To amowls*:

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What you say amowls is a "Cop Out" for you to hide your own ignorance concerning the matter.

You might be right because I don't know what you know, but how do you know that Lara didn't do both, i.e. read and figure 'it' out? How do you know that WinkAway is a liar and that amowls is copping out by expressing her personal opinion? You speak of verifying things and the necessity of empirical proof for things to be factual, but here you are doing the exact opposite and throwing allegations around without any facts to back them up. So, the least you can do is be fair and abide by the same standards that you expect from others.

It is possible to have a heated discussion without resorting to name-calling. There is really no need to offend, although you can not always please everyone. If you're having a bad day, and feel more irritable than usual today, thus being less patient with people, then I can understand - but still berating people is not necessary.

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amowls*
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posted December 30, 2009 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
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Spiritual experiences are "Spiritual" because they deal with both Consciousness and Design. What you say amowls is a "Cop Out" for you to hide your own ignorance concerning the matter.

How does a thing being Personal free it from neededing an explanation? Where do you get these foolish philosophies?


Lol, Theologist Philosophers actually.

Calling other people ignorant is ignorant in of itself and I never CLAIMED to be anything to you. You don't KNOW ME. I don't need your validation. Neither does Lara. If you don't believe her, WHO CARES?

Basically, you need to calm down. Read Siddhartha.

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Who cares indeed lol

It's one thing to think you are advanced; it's quite another to actually be so.


Polo makes me seem like a puddy cat

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WinkAway
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posted December 30, 2009 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved.. thanks for sticking up for us!

Polo, from what I get of your posts you appear to really know your stuff when it comes to astrology. I will be the first to tell you that my knowledge is very limited, but I have been reading up. BUT that doesn't give you the right to throw rocks and be the bully either.

I haven't a clue what you are saying I lied about. Again, refer to my posts.. I never said that I had any kind of experience when dreaming. I did say that my ex claimed to have them.

Linda land is a great place to come and discuss our favorite author Linda Goodman. It is also a great place to discuss various subjects and yes, even Linda loved a good debate. But you are taking it too far.

Quoting Bambi.. lol..
"If you can't say somethin nice, don't say nothin at all"


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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
First of all I don't care how many of you come together against me as a group. If I respond to your insult with an insult, we're even. I wont compromise reality to fit your fantasy. I came to learn not to join in the hoopla. If you don't like me, don't talk to me or about me. Life will go on for us both.

I am new here, but are most of the people here FEMALE? If so, then that would explain it. The duties of men and women are different and one may have some difficulty in understanding the importance of the other. That's not an insult, so do not read it that way. As a man, what I am required to do is different than what you need to do in life, so we will have different concerns.

XX - XY. One moves laterally, the other vertically. One's focus is the emotion as nurturer and the other's focus is awareness as teacher. Both Mother and Father are needed to bring a healthy psychological balance to the child.

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WinkAway
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posted December 30, 2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
Okay agreed...
you don't respond to my posts with your insults or anything else for that matter and I won't respond to yours.

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posted December 30, 2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Polo:

Nice thread, I like it alot.
And I agree...
I think what you are asking Lara, is how does one Astral Travel. As this is the means to acess other dimensions.

But I have some questions I want to ask you.
Do you mediate?
In your meditation are you able to connect with your higher self, when I say that I mean are you able to access other dimensions and ask for guidance?
Do you do any visualizations?
What are your thoughts on the Chakric system?

And are you familiar with Lucid dreams?

I ask because there is no point in me assuming things, and if I am to tell you what I know of Astral Traveling or access to other dimensions then I need to know the best way to explain it, and your answers will help me in doing so.

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Lara
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posted December 30, 2009 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Even?
gulp.

Are you an aries Polo? or a Scorpio?

I don't do groups nor queues.

ORBM has an interesting point.

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posted December 30, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Polo C - I was trying to be fair, and if I failed to be so, I apologize. There are rules here, and although they might not always be enforced due to human error and negligence- I was merely doing what I am assigned to do, and that is, to keep the peace here.

It is not that I do not like you. I seldom act from a place of like/dislike. If you knew my manner of approach, then maybe you'd know this, but the same can be said for me to you.

If it is because I am a woman that I handled this situation in this manner - because my gender (according to you) does not allow me the propensity to exercise lateral thinking, you are certainly allowed that opinion. All I ask is for the interaction between members to be as respectful as possible.

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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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I ask because there is no point in me assuming things, and if I am to tell you what I know of Astral Traveling or access to other dimensions then I need to know the best way to explain it, and your answers will help me in doing so.

Finally some light enters the room. What a relief.

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Okay agreed...
you don't respond to my posts with your insults or anything else for that matter and I won't respond to yours.

WinkyAway you are all in the cool-aid without knowing the flavor. This was mainly between myself and Lara. You PUT yourself into it. Do you need some attention? Okay, here ya go, I see you. Now, do you feel VALIDATED? Gosh, I sure hope so. Are we allowed to move on now WinkAway?

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I think what you are asking Lara, is how does one Astral Travel. As this is the means to acess other dimensions.

Exactly. This isn't the first time I have been in discussion or debate concerning these topics. In the past they have been debunked as people simply having an overactive imagination and an unhealthy desire to believe in something to make their lives feel... more meaningful.

Words mean nothing without a basis in reality. Words are symbols. Symbols are substitutes for actual things that exist in reality. If the words do not act as symbols for reality, then the words do not indicate anything REAL. I don't know about you all, but I don't enjoy being lied to. The truth sets us free, not the lies.

Astral Travel: The people who I know in real life who claim to be able to do this are not the most credible individuals that I know. They believe in all sorts of things that are proven as false, yet they choose to believe them anyway. Why? Because these beliefs make them feel "Special!" For them, the truth is irrelevant, which means, for me, their beliefs are irrelevant.

If you, or Lara, or anybody else has something concrete to say about Astral Travel that isn't some mysterious, magical, witchcraft, sorcery, imaginary stuff, then I am all ears, but if it is B.S. then I am going to vehemently tell you that it is because I Despise LIES!

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Do you mediate?

On occasion, yes.

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n your meditation are you able to connect with your higher self, when I say that I mean are you able to access other dimensions and ask for guidance?

Ask who? I am in constant contact with my higher self, so to speak, as a state of conscious awareness. The way I view things at all times is consistent. By this, I am constantly inspired into having new and deeper insights on a consistent basis. There are no angels or demons to speak to unless you are maybe smoking angel dust. Magic does not exist, causality does and the two are not compatible.

The only higher dimensions there are to reach are higher dimensions of consciousness, not as some external condition as a part of space and time. I truly believe this interpretation is the result of stories by Rod Serling's "Twilight-Zone" or some other science fiction fantasy. In movies they have to simulate things on the screen in a certain way, but in actuality, what they suggest is both erroneous and impossible, but if people believe what they see on T.V. they sometimes convince themselves that these impossible things have, in fact, occurred in their own Real lives.

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Do you do any visualizations?

Visualization? As an artist I visualize all of the time before I create. What exactly do you mean by visualizations?

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What are your thoughts on the Chakric system?

Ah! I think the Chakra system is crucial in understanding astrological energy expression. I see the two as part of a single system.

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And are you familiar with Lucid dreams?

I am. I have a few that I can recall.

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Polo C
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posted December 30, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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because my gender (according to you) does not allow me the propensity to exercise lateral thinking,

Of course I accept your apology, but you see, this is the exact opposite of what I actually said. Lateral thing is what xx (female) is best at. No man can multitask with the mastery of a woman.

xy (male) is designed for vertical thinking and elevation of the mind, but without the woman, he cannot manage and without him, she will have greater difficulty with the climb upward. Divine complements, xx - xy, is what we are made to be for one another.

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