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LEXX
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posted February 01, 2010 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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I am my own best friend. The sound of my own thoughts are the most comforting thing.


I feel the same!

As to silence, I prefer minimal noise.
The sounds of nature, wind, rain, thunder, waves, trees creaking, leaves rustling in trees or on the ground, and many other quieter sounds both natural and not, such as the ticking of a clock, wind chimes, cats purring, even my own body sounds suit me just fine.

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stopandstare
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posted February 01, 2010 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message
hey gypseewind: i sometimes make lists, i sometimes don't. when i go travelling or something i make spreadsheets of my itinerary. i'm very precise and organized most of the time. when i go to the grocery store i have a list in my head. so it depends. i'm not overly organized but i'm not one to do things on the fly.

i should mention that when i was a baby and as a kid, i used be totally clingy to my parents, best friend, sister, like anyone. i was really shy, still am quite shy, but shy and almost afraid of people and new things. i think it got to a point where it was like, i'm a very driven person and i'm one of those people everyone knew was supposed to "go somewhere" but my neediness and clinginess was holding me back.

it was more like not that i can't stand to be alone in a social sense, but i was scared of people and new things and never wanted to face anything that was unfamiliar alone. but then finally one day i was like i can't waste my brains or talent. i gotta make a change. and so thus i've changed for the better.

a friend of mine lost his mom and immediately after her death, his dad got remarried. he told me that his dad "cannot bear to be alone." i never understood what that meant. how can you just suddenly go and marry some other woman because you don't want to be alone? in my mind it's like man up and deal with it. nobody wants to be alone. but i thought that to be very extreme and odd. i don't like that kind of extremity in terms of people who can't stand to be alone. know what i mean? it's like there's not liking being alone and then there's that.

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GypseeWind
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posted February 01, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Do I ever!!

My best male friend passed away on April 14, 2008. I was there, and after they came and took the body, his widow wanted to dismantle everything in the room and throw out all his stuff..

I understand grief and not wanting to be reminded of illness, and death, but it was so extremem, all his belongings!! The folks that were there all chimed in, with "I'll take that, or don't throw this out, can I have it?" And she refused to let any of us have anything, she wanted it all gone.

Within 3 weeks she moved another man in.

It's not working out, so she has put her self on several dating sites, making perfectly clear that she is looking for a "husband" not a "boyfriend."

It has really bothered alot of us, but what can we say, it's her life.

So, yeah, I know what you mean. Some people can't be alone, and that is THAT, they will go to extremes to insure that they are not.

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stopandstare
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posted February 01, 2010 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message
what???!!!! okay that's just craziness. my friend didn't elaborate but he seemed very saddened and disappointed in the type of man his father is/was. when he described how his dad wasn't the type of person who could bear being alone, he seemed annoyed when he said it.

yeah like those types of people i truly and honestly cannot understand. i get not liking spending a saturday night alone i mean that sucks but like it happens to everyone. we all do it and survive. but to actually try to find a replacement like that? i don't get that. is that what they mean when they say misery loves company? i think it's good for people to seek others in time of need, but more for support and not as a replacement.

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Cynnared
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posted February 02, 2010 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
Can't be alone = afraid of their own company maybe. I have a 12th house Saturn and I have perfected being alone and lived a hermits life for a while. Being alone and independent for a while a person can be whole and who they are. They have the freedom to create their own life and live without being tied down.

I used to date a man, who also could not be alone and wanted to see and talk to me every waking hour of the day. It drove me crazy. One morning I told him that I needed some me time and he got all insecure and was starting to look for a replacement for me by asking a mutual friend to go out. In the start of the relationship he was planning to have me move in and I didn't really go for it, I thought it was too soon. He was a very strange guy.

He was a Sun in Aquarius, Saggy rising and Moon in Cancer in the 7th house conj Jupiter. With him I really picked up on the Cancer Moon and felt smothered and wanted to get away. He was super friendly and had a tonne of female friends that he would talk to.

Eventually he had his own harem going on with a string of exgirlfriends - some of them knew each other. I knew 3 of his exgirlfriends. Sadly, it dawned on me that I was with the village bicycle - everyone has riden him at one point or another. That struck horror into me and I felt very sick to my stomach over that - but when meeting somebody, who knows what their past is really like.

We lasted a few weeks - I felt so used after that. Less than a week he got himself a girlfriend - one of my friends, who said that she would not date him. They came out on my birthday and I was not amused.

He had the nerve to ask to still be friends and my Aries side said NO way and I blasted him out of my life!

A gal pal and I used to have alot of inside jokes about him - actually his other exes too.

I figure it is a Cancer/Libra 7th house emphasis that has an influence like that. I find anything Libra is not really wanting to be alone....

I was watching the biography of the Bee Gees, just after Maurice Gibb died back on Jan 12/03. They had an interview with Barry Gibb who was quoted saying that he always had this desire to have somebody spend his life with and was never really alone. Now Barry Gibb is a Virgo, however he has around 2 or 3 Libra planets in his chart and to me that would explain t me his quote.

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GypseeWind
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posted February 02, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
That must be it then. I have Saturn in the 12th too, but mars/moon in Libra.
If I am not emotionally involved with someone, I just don't feel right.

I've noticed the same with sag/cancer men as what you described above. The Village Bicycle, yep, that is too true.

But, Sag or Cancer is never in the sun, only Moon or asc. Hmmm, interesting....

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stopandstare
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posted February 03, 2010 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message
yes it's true i find people with strong libra placements to be very needy of attention or having people around them or at least hate it when they are left out. someone i know is scorpio sun but has libra moon and he gets really angry and i mean ANGRY if he is excluded from a social event. and he gets a little too...i'm not sure how to describe this...but he gushes when people send him well wishes on his bday or cmas. it's like he's overcome by all of the well wishes. i guess i'm not one to jump up for joy if people remember my bday or send me cmas greetings. i jump up for joy for other reasons; not that someone turned the spotlight on me.

however i do know libras with strong scorpio placements who like to be alone. they can be loner-ish and alone a lot. but then i also know a lot of libra suns with no stelliums in anything and be very needy and hungry for attention. one guy was so needy he irritated everyone who met him. very needy and whiny like a little kid for attention.

i think i've said before how i seem to only know and hang around libras and scorpios and combos of both.

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GypseeWind
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posted February 04, 2010 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Well, maybe that is why we are having this conversation then, cuz, besides that Libra stuff, I have Merc/Nept & SN in Scorp. lol.

But you know, it's 3am, and I have one child asleep next to me, two dogs in the bed, and the rest of the family and the bird in other rooms.

I've been "alone" as in, with my own company for hours, and that is fine, I guess I just don't like being ALL alone, if that makes any sense.

But my ex (?) < long story > is a Scorp sun, with a Sag Moon & Venus has three or four planets in Libra, and he's just as you described. He gets super, super offended if he isn't invited to everything, even things he would NOT WANT to go to. He just feels bad if he wasn't asked in the first place.
And, he's also just like you said, the smallest of gifts and greetings (cards, notes, whatever) would just light him up like a Christmas tree. I found that aspect charming about him because he was so easy to please with the smallest of gestures. But the first aspect, uhh, no, not so much.

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stopandstare
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posted February 04, 2010 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message
ah gypseewind now i see why we get along i don't know what it is but i'm just immersed in libra/scorpio and sometimes virgos. maybe just luck of the draw but i'm the only cancer i know and hang around with. i actually never hang around with any other cancers in general.

anyway yeah i get what you mean by not wanting to be totally alone or by yourself. everything in doses or moderation. it's the same for people who can't handle too much social interaction. they want to be alone but not completely alone. i get all of that. i tend to bounce back and forth myself. but i can be either/or. unless something really bad happens then i don't wanna be alone. i'll call everyone i know and start writing a bunch of emails.

and yeah don't get why people would get upset if they weren't invited to something they wouldn't want to go to. funny because i was hanging around a few of these libra and scorpio types and none of us were invited to a bday gathering. only i was not offended by it because i feel a bday gathering is a personal thing and it's someone else's decision so if they don't invite you it's not anything to be upset about. plus we're all adults now and things like that shouldn't matter. but man the 3 of them were livid!!! but i was like...between us four, i'm the one who was the friendliest with the bday person....oh well

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stopandstare
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posted February 17, 2010 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message
gypseewind: i read in another post of yours that you mentioned you had a sag venus in the 8th house? or am i confusing it with something else?

anyway, if so, i looked at my male friend's chart and he has the same thing. he it seems cannot be alone either. i've been talking to him after another unfortunate breakup and the funny part is how quick he is at wanting to get into another relationship. he met a girl last weekend and is like wanting to make her the replacement for the one who just left. he's like out of his mind or confused now that he has days to fill without someone being there so in a way he's trying to force this girl into that role. it's really odd...it's like...he asked me about what i did in the evenings after work and i'm like um this, this, this and this...and by the time i'm done it's like midnight and i have to go to sleep. i don't know, i don't get people who can't be alone or just can't be. he's one of those who wants to get married and have kids like now. i do too, but i'm not so anxious or proactive about it. it's just really bizarre. but then the ironic part is that he spends so much time in relationships is that he has lost touch with friends or doesn't keep up with friends so he finds himself without friends to just hang with.

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posted February 19, 2010 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
You are correct, Stop and stare. I have Sun/Venus in Sag, in the 8th.

The first time I was married was at 17! To my high school sweetheart. We had a baby at 18, but he was stillborn. We split by the time I was 19, in which I met my next husband. The divorce papers weren't even signed yet.
I did manage to put off the second marriage until age 24, but by then, we already had a daughter, then we had two more.

So, I don't know for sure if your theory on Venus in the 8th can't be alone, or if it's more that OTHERS don't leave us alone!!!
Hubby number two wore me down with sheer determination, even though, I told him I was not very good at marriage.

They say 8th house people are magnets that way. Seems to have proven true in my life anyway.

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posted February 19, 2010 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message
I need a lot of space and go crazy if I don't get it. Depends on what sort of balances are operating in my life at any given time.

For example: I recently got a job, plus I am still trying to get my own business going on the side. And I also like playing at music nights. Which means that my friends are currently somewhat neglected. But this time has also been useful for me in that I have weeded out the really "needy" or "stressy" friends and kept the best ones, also am more selective about what I want in terms of friends. One of my friends is this really needy guy who doesn't work and, if he is given half a chance, will spam text you. If you send one text message he'll send you 10 back, and it kind of puts you under an obligation - he also has other obsessive behaviours, and I think it comes from stooging around with no real direction or motivation and nothing to do. I am gradually ignoring him more and more - I know it sounds awful but it's the only thing to do with needy people as they take my energy.

I put my phone on "silent" mode most of the time. First of all, it conserves the battery power (yes, really) . Secondly, if the call is genuinely important the caller will leave a message.

My dad is very gregarious and can't be alone for one second. My mum needs peace and quiet the whole time. I am somewhere in between. I have lots of creative hobbies and generally much of my free time is spent doing those - and I need complete silence to think properly and to dream. I do get quite a bit of banter/ chat fom the guys at work, and that, plus the commute into and out of London 5 days a week, is enough to finish me off. I tend to like fast-paced, witty or quality conversation. Not just blah. So I am not going to hang around people just for the sake of it.

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posted February 19, 2010 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message
Double post - my Google Chrome browser was not showing my posts as having been posted. Internet Explorer works better

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posted February 19, 2010 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I notice people are DPing alot in the last two days. Weird!

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posted February 19, 2010 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
The last couple of days or so (of active use, I know there have been days I wasn't here) I've been having my posts not show up. But I click refresh and there it is as the page refreshes.

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