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posted November 21, 2010 04:04 PM         

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I will not tolerate any racial insults or discrimination of any kind.

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Does that include your last post to pire, Randall?

Also, does that include defamation of character and libel comments?

I think this thread is, if you don't mind Letram, a great place for everyone to air their grievances. I certainly understand Pire's viewpoint here even if you guys don't.
Ami, i'm surprised you play it so innocent

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posted November 21, 2010 04:06 PM         

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woah.

I wanted to say something, because I see both sides as well, but I don't know how to defend a couple of people, without putting anyone else on the defense.

I don't like to see anyone banned, but what bothered me last night, was when I thought that fingers were pointing at others, that I couldn't see deliberately planning out some sort of attack, behind the scenes. I also didn't like seeing mods calling people names.

I don't think Ami is kissing butt; she's found a home here, and hates to see anyone argue. I would agree with those who don't mind people being banned, if they don't like coming here, if it wasn't for the fact that their feelings probably fluctuate, just like everybody elses - like pire's comment above, about liking LL, but not necessarily liking it today.

*edit. I also don't see a lot of groupie action, or high school cliques; I think there are people who might be thrown into that group, who are torn and seeing both sides in some way. Most are wondering what happened. I was confused last night, when some posts didn't make sense, because posts had been deleted; now, whole threads have been deleted, and they're coming here, scratching their heads, and thinking, "WTF?"

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posted November 21, 2010 04:15 PM         

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Thanks Teasel
I think you know me from our interactions on and off the Board.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:15 PM         

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" but I respect more vertical respect than horizontal."

eh? pire, can you explain that a little? i dont understand, i didnt know respect can go up and down and side to side

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posted November 21, 2010 04:21 PM         

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I won't explain it here and now in this thread, sorry nikkiG

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posted November 21, 2010 04:22 PM         

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ok, i asked cuz you left me scratching my head on that

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posted November 21, 2010 04:22 PM         

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he means hes more comfortable with respecting equality rather than authority.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:23 PM         

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Well everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I am more of a peace keeper. I hate seeing people hurling sh1t..just pointless.

I am also not an a$$ kisser. I agree with Randall 100% and think he has a great personality. I would be standing by him mod or not. Just because Ami or I or anyone else supports Randall does NOT make us a$$ kissers. Seriously is that the biggest wad of sh1t you can hurl or or do you prefer stirring it?

Sorry if that's infused with anger, I'm just tired of people accusing other members here of a$$ kissing. I have read it here and on the ever popular FB group.

Get over it!

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posted November 21, 2010 04:24 PM         

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well, wouldnt authority be vertical?

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posted November 21, 2010 04:25 PM         

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the thing is, LL is now a glorified social networking, self-help and psychotherapy site whereas it used to be strictly an ASTROLOGICAL site.

I miss the astrological content and lots of us are now taking the astrology side of LL to personal emails to discuss astrology.
I'm sure you don't really want this, do you Randall?

I also find it incredulous how some people are happy to openly discuss how they like to have rough sex etc. I mean, where is the self-respect and decency here?
Like i said, LL is NOT an astrology site anymore, it's a dating, self-help, psycho-analyse me please, social hub.
It's an astrological FB if you like.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:27 PM         

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And again with the Randall/Nicki digs...

Sweet peas in the rain is a great forum. Either go there or don't...your choice. The stings are pretty clearly labled.

Get over it!

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posted November 21, 2010 04:28 PM         

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well done Lara,

for directing your issues in the Right direction.
(and to the right and Only person).

the last part is when said Person answers to you, you have to accept what they give you and drop it.

is anyone even on my wavelength?

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posted November 21, 2010 04:29 PM         

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nickiG I didn't mean authority and equality, letram did.

winkaway, I didn't accuse you, but if I had been more specific instead of just mentioning ass kissing generally, I would have been insulting some specific people. and got banned.

so there is no alternative, shut up or get banned, but if I shut up, what do I get in the bargain? like lara said, a membership in an astrological facebook? I saw lindaland as a platform where esoteric minded people could gather, a platform, some meeting place, not an army of like minded people who don't dare to disagree with the webmaster for fear of being banned

cause places like this are legions on the web

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posted November 21, 2010 04:31 PM         

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i know pire, i was just correcting him since what he had said didnt make much sense in accordance with what you said

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posted November 21, 2010 04:32 PM         

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woops, i just realized what i misunderstood..

embarrassed)

know i'd like to know what you mean too

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posted November 21, 2010 04:35 PM         

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Once upon a time, LL was an esoteric twelft night secrets kind of home. Nowadays it`s a coarser material kind of home. I don`t pay for the upkeep so not my choice how in she flows.
It`s all up to the individual if one desires to read or post here. I prefer the not side lately but I do know it will either implode or make a turn around.

All I can suggest is stay true to your self and you will do whats right for you and the rest will fall into place

*hi Teasel

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posted November 21, 2010 04:36 PM         

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I know you didn't accuse ME.
And I didn't direct my comment to you either. I guess you just hit a nerve with me because I've read several times where people refer to "the mods" as a$$ kissers or what not and that isn't so. For me I Respect a lot of people here...Randall being one of them. Not just because he owns the site but because he's a good person. I don't want to go into it here for personal reasons, but I'm just tired of the little digs.

And Ami is trying to keep the peace IMO. Please lay off her.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:37 PM         

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okay so the issue is that some people think peacekeeping comes from banning/weeding out the 'problematics', and some people (myself included) think that such a stance will effectively create more of a problem, based on principles that run counter to this approach.. and that peace comes from accepting and embracing variety, as well as free speech. that this is the only way peace can TRULY arise, even if there is some contention to be dealt with along the way.

sigh.

i just think taking an authoritative/weeding approach is going to deepen the shizm and plenty of folks will leave on principle and NOT because they are necessarily 'siding' with those who were initially banned. i loved the freedom and laxity of lindaland.. that is what made it so appealing to me

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posted November 21, 2010 04:41 PM         

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can we please not talk ill of those that are not online? that is unfair to the person since they cannot defend their own self

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posted November 21, 2010 04:41 PM         

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it's hard though, because i am not trying to defend ANYONE's insults.. and i also dont' want to come off as insulting.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:44 PM         

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Freedom of speech is one thing but bullying is another.
Randall has been more than patient with letting conversations ride and some people pushing the envelope.
What he's asking is simple. Be mindful of what you post. If you post something bashing someone or labeling the thread F UCK YOU RANDALL.. well, you'll probably be banned. That's a no brainer.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:49 PM         

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Pire
Since you like it here and want to be part of
LL ,don't you feel a basic respect for Randall for providing it for you?
He could easily ban you and that would be YOUR loss, not his.
I think you owe him to be gracious to him is all.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:52 PM         

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wink away, i know that. but wasn't the issue she was having (regardless of her behaviour) to do with the fact that her friends were banned? again i'm not trying to justify her behaviour, but that would not have taken place if her friends weren't banned, and posts and threads hadn't been deleted, etc. so it was an (undesirable) consequence. she lost it, and maybe she was having a bad night on top of all the drama here. who knows. i still love her. am i still allowed to love her? or is that going against the rules now?

i do also understand how randall felt insulted and hurt, and his feelings have merit too.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:52 PM         

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That's all cool WinkAway and i agree... i'm just a bit narked l guess because for months l was asking Randall to discipline those whom were rude to me and really insulting and he just basically silently laughed at me and did nothing.

So it's all very well for him to now play a pseudo Hitler because he has had the same treatment l have received but he needs to be more compassionate and considerate toward his LL members because without us, he doesn't even have a popular website nor any content!

So it swings and roundabouts.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:55 PM         

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for ME the concept of free speech IMPLIES 'opinion'. it does not imply truth.

taking this view, there is nothing to fear. even insults can roll off you..

and hopefully, eventually, consensus can be reached. through discourse. that's the ideal anyhow and what is any discourse worth if we are not striving for that?

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