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Topic: Sadness Rhymes With Gladness And Gladness Can Hurt too.
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 5867 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 07:26 PM
My 11 yr old shadow dog and gardening buddy, Thunderbird, became terribly ill this week end. He kept falling down, having muscular seizures and crying. He`s 113 lbs and very hard for me to lift, take potty etc so it was very emotional and physically intensive. Took him in for tests today and physically ie spine, muscles, nerves (all motor skills) were perfect. Yet he kept stumbling and not right. They knew it was neurological and thought brain tumor / lesion. That is dire news but the Vet drew blood to rule out cancers and he came up with a blood sugar level of 500. The poor guy is diabetic. His liver is affected and needs medical intervention and he goes tomorrow for glucose tolerance type testing to see what units of insulin to use and so on. I get a crash course in injections and glucose monitoring along with special diet and meals. Very much like a human being. I am really worried and frightened for his recovery but the Vet said IF we get it under control , he can live his senior years out healthy and happy. I am so glad ,with life long treatment, he will make it and so very sad to see him suffer thru this. I never knew dogs got diabetes and any knowflake with experience with it, please do share any info you can. He is a very sick fella and sure could use some positive energy and prayers sent his way Thanks for listening to my emotional spilling , juni ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~
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NickiG Moderator Posts: 5639 From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann Registered: Jul 2010
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posted January 16, 2012 09:07 PM
i'm so sorry junimy heart goes out to you and your dog ------------------ I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:28 PM
Very sorry to hear this Juni. Sending healing energy his way.I don't have experience dealing with this, but did find these natural remedy suggestions online: Natural Cure for Dog Diabetes While veterinarians may prescribe the best possible mode of treatments for canine diabetes, there are certain natural cures that you can add to your dog's treatment therapy to further give your pet relief. Dogs suffering from diabetes can use certain natural herbs that will help your pet live normally despite having the disease. Some examples of such natural herbs and teas are: 1. Bejak Bejak is an herb which has been very popular since prehistoric times. It has been effective for diabetes as well as for other problems related to abnormal urination. Bejak has natural properties that can help reduce the presence of blood sugar. This is perfect for dogs whose body system is slowly deteriorating because of the disease. 2. Vinegar Vinegar can be given to dogs with diabetes to help alleviate their condition. The most popular healthy vinegar these days is apple cider vinegar. Just add a few drops of it to your dog's water and it will greatly boost the effect of your pet's current medications. With regular use, it is possible for your pet to live more comfortably with the symptoms brought about by diabetes. 3. Karela Karela is another herb that can help diabetes patients. This herb can stimulate the pancreas to produce more insulin that the body can use. Other than it, it can also rectify abnormalities of the dog's digestive tract. It can improve the absorption of food in the stomach.
4. Cinnamon Cinnamon can also help dogs with diabetes. It can be sprinkled sparingly in your dog's food. Be sure to put just enough to help the condition, but not too much that your dog can smell it and dislike the food. Cinnamon works by substituting insulin in the blood. Cinnamon doesn't mesh well with sugar so make sure that you don't add any sweeteners to your dog's food if you intend to put cinnamon to it. 5. Gurmar Gurmar is believed to have the ability to maintain your pet's blood sugar level at a highly optimized state. Gurmar's other name is Gymnema Sylvestre. It is a type of herb that has been used for a long time. It treats most abnormalities related to urine as well. It stimulates the pancreas to secrete insulin in the right proportions. 6. Grapefruit Grapefruit can help your dog greatly in managing its weight. This natural remedy is most effective with overweight dogs. Whenever you feel that your dog is getting fat due to diabetes, try to add some grapefruit juice into its drinking water. Grapefruit is conducive to losing weight. 7. Herbal extracts The extracts of multiple herbal plants such as bitter melon, fenugreek seeds, bitter gourd, and turmeric can help greatly in keeping your dog in good health despite being diabetic. You can add all of these herbs together and make a tea. Try to give it to your pet on a daily basis for best effects. If your dog doesn't like its taste, try to put a few drops to its water up until he gets used to it. __________________________ Hoping for a speedy recovery so that he is able to enjoy his time here. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 5867 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:35 PM
Thank you so much ladies. Your kind words and thoughts are a balm to my sore heart. T, Granny uses cinnamon for heres too. I will ask the Vet, in particular, about that and vinegar. Easy to get while the others may be difficult. He`s having a very difficult time tonight and at one point when a neurological misfire occured, he went briefly unconscious. Thanks so much ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:36 PM
^ meant that to be a bheartIP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:38 PM
That is so scary and very hard on you as well. I hope you are able to help turn it around for him. (((( hugs )))) IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:40 PM
Keeping insulin levels normalized and in control is a direct result of what you feed your dog with diabetes.Avoid Foods which Contain Sugar Most dog owners really have no idea just how much sugar and carbohydrates are contained in manufactured dog food. Carbohydrates are converted into glucose (sugar), by the body. Dry dog food, as well as those soft-moist foods are the worst choices. If you continue to feed your dog commercial dog food, switch to a high-quality canned food instead - and read the ingredients. Choose Foods Low in Fat The pancreas regulates insulin and blood sugar levels, it also produces enzymes in the process of breaking down fat. Since you don't want to over-stress the pancreas, choose meats that are low in fat. Avoid ground beef and other red meats and trim extra fat from chicken and turkey. Some fat is necessary for good health...but keep it to a minimum. Homemade Dogfood with Certain Grains A homemade diet doesn't have to be hard or expensive. This way, you will know exactly what your dog is eating and how much sugar and carbohydrates they are consuming. Rice, millet and oats are usually the preferable choices to help regulate insulin levels and provide fiber. Remember, animals don't digest grains as well as humans due to their shorter digestive tract so keep it to a minimum. Raw Fruit and Vegetables Raw fruits and vegetables provide vitamins and nutrients while helping stabilize blood sugars. The natural occurring sugars shouldn't throw insulin levels out of sync like refined processed sugar. Fruits are a great idea for a treat between meals; however don't include them with the main meals as the fruit could ferment in your dog's stomach when combined with meats, grains and vegetables. Most vegetables can be served raw; however a few should be cooked, such as winter squash (good for dogs with diabetes), dandelion greens, and potatoes. Raw foods such as alpha sprouts, parsley and garlic (capsule or fresh) are good choices for this disease since garlic helps stimulate the digestive tract - regardless if the dog has diabetes. Carrots can be either raw or cooked. Vitamin E Vitamin E is a natural supplement that reduces the need for insulin in the body. Providing your dog with a Vitamin E capsule once per day is suggested. Recommended dosage is between 25UI and 200 UI, depending on the size of your dog. GlucoBalance GlucoBalance is a supplement to improve insulin production and to protect your pet against illness and the harmful effects of diabetes on the body. This product contains no animal products, gluten, artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Also, my neighbour highly recommends GlucoBalance, that's why I've mentioned it here. It's important that you speak with your vet about diabetes in dogs, and serve the foods that your dog can tolerate. http://diabetesindogs.blogspot.com/ IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:43 PM
I give mine raw baby carrots as a treat. Broccoli & green beans are good too. The live food might be good for him between meals sometimes like the article said. IP: Logged |
Cancer/Scorpio729 Moderator Posts: 1762 From: 6,000 feet above sea level Registered: Feb 2010
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posted January 16, 2012 09:52 PM
So sorry, I hope he feels better IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 09:58 PM
Diabetes in Pets - Low carb dietIt was known well before the discovery of insulin[1] that a low-carb diet would help diabetic humans survive much longer. It's not surprising, then, that low-carb diets are studied in cats and dogs with diabetes. Both dogs and cats are able to convert protein into energy as well as into muscle. The average of most commercial dry pet foods is between 30-70% carbohydrates. Neither species in the wild would have a diet similar to this; both would consume far less than the 30% low-end estimate[2]. It is certainly possible to produce canned pet foods without carbohydrates, but today's dry pet foods would be non-existent without them. .... (i skipped the cat part) __________ In Dogs Diabetes in dogs is best treated by feeding a nutritionally sound diet. Good regulation using this method can be achieved either through use of strictly basal insulin or basal/bolus method. This is highly dependent on the individual animal's metabolism. Owners who want the best for their dogs will take the time and effort to understand carbohydrate metabolism, insulin action, and home glucose testing. It is in this way they can best understand how food and insulin affect their pet.
Understanding carbohydratesEdit When we talk about carbohydrates, it also helps to know they break down into two categories: simple and complex. An example of a simple carbohydrate is lactose (found in milk); pasta and bread are examples of complex ones. One can go a bit further with this, knowing that both bread and pasta are made from grain--mainly wheat, to include other food items made from them. The simple ones are rapidly converted to glucose and promptly raise blood glucose levels. The liver takes longer to convert the complex ones into glucose, and so they raise blood glucose levels more gradually. This is important to know when choosing foods for those with diabetes[41]. There are two other terms for carbohydrate classification besides these are--soluble and insoluble. The terms refer to how easily they are broken down in the digestive tract. Soluble carbohydrates are grains, such as wheat, rice, barley, oats and corn. When cooked and present in pet foods, digestion is easy and rapid. Insoluble carbohydrates are those we refer to as fiber, which pass through the intestinal tract without being digested[42]. Bran,corn and its by-products, soy fiber, and beet pulp are some examples found in pet foods. It may be in the best interests of the particular dog in question that a diet not so high in fiber be utilized, due to other health considerations[43] or that the dog refuses to eat commercial foods higher in fiber. In these cases, home preparation of food may be the only solution. Many people prepare meals for their diabetic pets who have no need of additional bolus insulins. Merrick Pet Foods[44] produces high-quality dog and cat food. The Glycemic Research Institute, which tests both human and pet foods with an eye on the glycemic index and other properties important to diabetics, has awarded Merrick Best Pet Food of the Year (their third consecutive year of winning) for 3 of their dog food flavors[45]. The food can be purchased from local retailers[46] in the US and Canada or from the company's online store with no shipping charges for the contiguous US[47]. ===Special considerations/complications=== Some other conditions that sometimes occur with diabetes, including pancreatitis, liver problems, or chronic renal failure[48], may be incompatible with a low-carb diet. In that case, many animals are forced to use a specially-tuned medium-carb diet with special ingredients/restrictions for their condition. Consult your veterinarian Supplements
Certain dietary supplements can help with diabetic cats and dogs. Antioxidants can help reduce or reverse damage from hyperglycemia. Chromium can help lower blood glucose levels, L-Carnitine plus a calorie-restricted diet can control weight, and Methyl-B12 can help reverse diabetic neuropathy. Further reading http://petdiabetes.wikia.com/wiki/Low-carb_diet
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jesstar Knowflake Posts: 277 From: santa fe new mexico Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 16, 2012 11:22 PM
sending tons of love ! IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 5026 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 11:23 PM
Oh, no! I've been meaning to PM you elsewhere (or email you). It was almost a year ago when I lost my Bertie, and you were one who was there for me for that and other things. I have a book by Deva Khalsa, and another by Richard Pitcairn. There is a mailing list for people with dogs that have diabetes - I was briefly on it when I suspected our now-deceased dog, Liz, of having it, or cushings. There's also one for dogs with seizures, that I also used to be on. I'll try to find the links. IP: Logged |
SunChild Moderator Posts: 3581 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 16, 2012 11:57 PM
oh no Sorry Juni... IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 5937 From: Venus next to Randall Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 12:54 AM
------------------ quote: Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 17, 2012 04:25 AM
Oh Juni, this is so sad. I had my dog die on me from an undiagnozed disease when I was 22 (I had grown up with her). It's unbelievably sad. I hope the little guy's diabetes gets under control soon and he gets to enjoy his senior yrs like the vet said. Take care of yourself too. It's not easy to have someone to take care of. It doesn't matter if he's a man or a dog; it's still a life that you are trying to save. Anongrl10 IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero Knowflake Posts: 4367 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 17, 2012 04:58 AM
JuniperB, best wishes to you and your sweet doggie. I hope that he will have a happy and healthy life for the rest of his years. IP: Logged |
mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1016 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted January 17, 2012 05:47 AM
I'm sorry My Grandmother had two dogs, one of which had diabetes. She treated him successfully for many years and he continued to live a happy, active life There's lots of hope for Thunderbird. ------------------ If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects. IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 17, 2012 05:52 AM
I just realized how pessimistic my post above sounded! Geez! I just wanted to share my love for dogs and ended up talking about death, which isn't exactly lifting up your spirits!! I apologize.It IS a treatable condition and you are already doing everything you can. He has a lot of chances to fight this out. I'm really happy this little guy has you as his mom because you truly care for him and his wellbeing! hugs, Anongrl10 IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 39366 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 17, 2012 09:07 AM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 24779 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 10:11 AM
I'm very sorry, but at least the doc caught it, so you can get it under control. IP: Logged |
Yin Moderator Posts: 3089 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 11:56 AM
I'm so sorry, juni. May he recover soon. IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 1980 From: in a giant room with 2 little furry friends Registered: May 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 02:22 PM
oh no, i truly hope he will recover and the vet can help him get it under control! dogs (and any companion animals) are our best mates. you must be having a difficult time to see him this way. sending you loving thoughts. IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 7718 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 03:46 PM
Thinking of you two, juni....... IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 5867 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2012 09:03 PM
Knowflakes, your thoughts and kindness are so touching and much needed. I and Thunderbird thank you from the bottom of our hearts. I have little time as I am monitering Thunders blood sugar levels. It was a bad day Todays testings proved he doesn`t have diabetes. Additional testing for Cushings, Addisions and such proved futile. Further imaging tests found a rare tumor called pheochromocytoma on his adrenal glands. There isn`t a surgery for it( too complicated w/little recovery rate) and it mimics all the diseases mentioned plus his rapid heart, anxiety attacts rate and high blood preassure. We talked about euthansia and concluded if in the next three days we can find a level of insulin to control sugar spikes, which in turn, will control heart rate and blood preassure, we may give him a quality of life. If it has advanced too far, we will have to let him return to the Creator. It is in the Creators hands and the ability of humans to help him. I will update, individually thank and reply to each kind soul who has replied. Onward and upward, juni ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
jesstar Knowflake Posts: 277 From: santa fe new mexico Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 17, 2012 10:36 PM
may thunder roll wild and free ! all my love ,jesstar------------------ "We'll go because it's Thursday,"he said,"and we'll go to wish everybody a Very Happy Thursday.Come on,Piglet" A. A. Milne IP: Logged |