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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 18, 2012 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering how people see other people, in general: obviously, whatever one's opinions, people are complex and there are exceptions, but I'm just wondering as to what people's opinions are on the goodness (or lack thereof) of humanity in general. Are most people good? Most bad? Most just mediocre? Most a mix of each, but lean towards good? Most a mix of each, but lean towards bad?

Do you feel more misanthropic or more humanitarian/philanthropic?

Again, just looking for general opinions of humanity.

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posted April 18, 2012 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Since I have Certainty we are Created by the primordial Voidness I call God and many call
Zad/HU/Essence. Using the Arabic Hu amd add Man and that becomes "people" Hu-man.

Since we are Divinely Created, I know the Divinity exists in each soul.

As they mature and they become porters for the conditioned baggage life gives them, they then have what many term free will.

They then use the baggage to perpetuate their divinity, fluxuate between the conditioning states of living their life ie seekers not knowing exactly what they are seeking or use it for chaos.

So I treat all people as Humanitarianly as I am Aware to do.

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posted April 18, 2012 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to think most people are selfish and cruel.

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SunChild
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posted April 18, 2012 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, everyone lies and everyone has an agenda.

But, we are all Buddha's In Utero.

I Love everyone- though I do not like everyone.
If that make sense.

Juni Nicely put.

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 18, 2012 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The state of our civilization does frustrate me however, I'm infinitely a humanitarian at heart that never fails to believe the best in others and in the ability to evolve and change.

I think humans are equally good and bad. Some get too comfortable in one or the other, and that friends, is when we begin to ponder the complexities of human nature.

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posted April 18, 2012 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think people are GOOD. am i the first one to answer this? yay! anyways i have not been shown otherwise to say they are BAD.. besides i can totally fux dem up if dey bad ehehe!

i am however misanthropic more than humanitarian haha!

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posted April 18, 2012 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In general most people are good but at the same time they are concerned w.survival, which is understandable. Surviving translates differently to diff people. Some see it as a financial matter, some an emotional one - they judge their success by their relationships, etc. So..if you take that away from them, then you'll see a different side. But really I don't blame them.

Also I don't believe that someone who is basically *good* is necessarily basically good to *everyone.*
We usually like to think our enemies are unlovable but the fact is that someone somewhere wants them & sees good in them, so whose eyes are right, theirs or ours? You can't choose one or the other, you have to accept that if someone feels genuine love/care/concern for someone (no matter how unworthy you think they are of it) that it's valid. If someone can feel like that for a person, then there is some good inside of them, inside of each of them, no matter what else they've done. Because that love is from God, or you can put in source, or what have you. That is where innate goodness comes from, that protection, love, and care that we are given, we put it back out there as one way to feel re-connected.

It's glaringly obvious that there are some sick (seriously mentally ill) criminals roaming the streets, others about to break at any moment. But yea I think most people are basically well-intentioned most of the time. Even if that majority is 50.0000001%

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question: What exactly defines goodness? And what exactly defines badness? And what tools Or variables are we using to accurately define each of these concepts? Who or what is the deciding factor?

Just curious...

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Lonake
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posted April 19, 2012 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ How *you* define it. It's relative, obviously.
You said they're equally bad & good so already you have concepts in mind,
which begs the question, 'what are you on about'

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 19, 2012 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well of course I know what I think... However this is a discussion and incisive minds would like to know how others think in relation to defining these two concepts.

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posted April 19, 2012 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've witnessed the darker aspects of society--- totally killed my Libra charm, but It's better this way. Ignorance is bliss, but who wants that? IS that really living? Sometimes we have to dig into our cores to truly understand what lifes all about.
I believe that people are all good at heart. They all deserve to be loved and cared for. To be treated as specially as they are. But sometimes we don't have such conditionings and are forced into the dark. There are people who after being in the dark for a long time enough, they lose themselves and who they really are. Mediocre people are smart. They know not to take life lightly but not too hard either. Mean people have lost their light to the darkness and don't understand all of what people are supposed to be about. The light, the pure --these are the unaffected blissfully felicitiful beings who have either chosen to accept life in its forms and are truly strong beings--or who just chose to find the hope in situations/people. This is the way we al lshould be.

My alter egos have different approaches.
Type 1:You know when you're confident and observing people, you start to notice things? (Self-conscious people tend to focus on themselves.) You'll notice their shirt is ripped or the weird way they laugh. Well in my mind I have this image that all people are confident and that deep down they're probably better than me. They'll be so nice to me being friendly, talking to me. The thing is, I don't know this person and am too shy to get to know this person--so I blush like a blushing angelfish and avoid them. I'm this helpless little nobody and everyone can see my flaws/wounds/insecurities/anxieities/weaknesses. So I try to be my best until I can't take the social interaction anymore. (Thats why I made it a habit when I went to public school to be friends with any person I would have to come in contact with on a regular day-to-day basis.) After a while of understanding that they're my friend and they won't hurt me or try to make me sad (this transition happens with enough positive encounters from them) then I suddenly trust them and want to do them favors and spend time with them. Kind of black white. So in short I fake a friendship until we actually become friends.

Type 2: I feel like everyone just has a lot of insecurities and are afraid to make the first move. Thats why I do it, and if they do it that just means they're doing me a favor. Yes, some people are dumb.. and others irrational, but that is this world we live in. I'll talk to a stranger to joke with them, or if I just feel like voicing my thoughts. In the end, I always make sure to expect nothing from them in response, this saves me from dissapointment. They're not my friend. They're a fling who I may or may not be able to trust. Doesn't matter either way--- I will not give them that option. I will simply enjoy my time, regardless.
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posted April 19, 2012 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that people are basically good for the most part,and I tend to treat people as friends until they abuse my trust.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 19, 2012 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally do not believe that most people are good. I don't really believe that most people care about others, look out for them, want to be there for them. There are definitely good people out there, but they are the rarities, not the norm. I don't expect people to be good. People who are too nice or too friendly off the bat immediately raise my suspicions and I'm especially on guard with them, as I can't help but wonder what they're hiding. That's not to say that I don't want people to be good--just that people who seem too good to be true and who seem a little too perfect right away tend to unsettle me a little bit.

There is just so much evil in the world. It seems like every day I read about some new horrible thing, and it just makes me wonder: do I really know anyone that I know? Who is secretly a monster? Do I know and chit-chat with a rapist, abuser, or some other criminal? And what other things happen that I don't even know about?

People think that children can't be evil, but there are tons of bullies, tons of kids who make fun of and exclude others, tons of kids who gossip, and so on. I experienced both being made fun of and excluded as well as doing that myself as a kid.

And, too, a lot of people simply allow evil to happen or who make excuses for it, even if they don't perpetrate it themselves. I think that people don't want to believe evil exists in their own backyards or recognize it, and so when face to face with it, they often dismiss it or tell the victim that he or she is just seeing things, reading the situation wrong, or crazy. I experienced that firsthand when I was a victim of sexual harassment.

I do not count on anyone but myself to look out for me and keep me safe.

Honestly, I don't even consider myself a "good" person. I wouldn't say that I'm horribly evil, but I could do a lot better, with my thoughts about people, especially. I might not say things to people, but if I get upset, I'll vent to others or else just think things that are pretty mean sometimes. I maybe don't always care as much as I should or am as appreciative and as grateful as I should be. I'm not always a good steward of what I have. I don't volunteer or help out as much as I could or should. Things like that.

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posted April 19, 2012 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I struggle with this question. I used to think everyone was mostly "good" and sort of wore rose-colored glasses...it made me naive and i got hurt big time....now my outlook is more pessimistic...has been for the past couple of years.

I do think that deep down everyone is "good"....or we are all sparks from some kind of divine flame....but we get lost along the way. The earth school is a very heavy, dark place to learn. Some people don't handle it very well.

I guess I'd say deep down we are all goodness, but we get so buried in muck and forget our true nature.

I don't like life here.

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posted April 19, 2012 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RP, when I read the horrific news stories, it doesnt help my outlook either.

Not to mention I've dealt with a few major personal blows over the past few years, with family, that has weakened my outlook on people in general. I feel like I'm "doing time" here... Like I'm in jail & can't wait until it's over.

Sounds dramatic, but it's true.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 19, 2012 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for defining "bad" and "good", I don't want to get too detailed (especially since we all have different ideas of what's bad and good).

One thing that's problematic would be that some people would interpret the same definition differently. For example, if I said that it was good to be "caring", some people might take that to mean telling people what's best for them and giving them tough love, while others might take it to mean simply being concerned for the well being of another (which is how I would interpret it and mean it). Others might take it to mean doing things like bringing over soup, offering to baby-sit, offering to help clean or move, etc. Others might define it as empathy and listening. Some might define it as two or more of these.

If I said that good was "trying to do the right thing", that could mean something completely different to two different people on any given issue.

It's also difficult to define good and bad as simply intention because there are really horrible extremists out there who really think that they are doing the right thing and that they are well-intentioned.

And, on top of that, people could be both bad and good. By day, someone could volunteer, give money to charity, etc. By night, that person could be a thief or a rapist.

So, I hesitate to really define those things, but basically, I'm thinking "good" = ethical/would follow basic codes of ethics, would care about the well-being of others, would not want to harm others, would respect others, would be honest without using honesty as a weapon to hurt people/abusing honesty, integrity, fair, things like that. Bad would be the opposite: not caring about anyone, harming people, wanting to exploit others for personal gain, being disrespectful, committing violent crimes or crimes that destroy property (such as theft, vandalism, rape, murder, abuse, etc.), wanting to oppress other people.

There is much, much more to it than that, but again, I hesitate to go too far.

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posted April 19, 2012 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 19, 2012 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I personally do not believe that most people are good. I don't really believe that most people care about others, look out for them, want to be there for them. There are definitely good people out there, but they are the rarities, not the norm. I don't expect people to be good. People who are too nice or too friendly off the bat immediately raise my suspicions and I'm especially on guard with them, as I can't help but wonder what they're hiding. That's not to say that I don't want people to be good--just that people who seem too good to be true and who seem a little too perfect right away tend to unsettle me a little bit.

There is just so much evil in the world. It seems like every day I read about some new horrible thing, and it just makes me wonder: do I really know anyone that I know? Who is secretly a monster? Do I know and chit-chat with a rapist, abuser, or some other criminal? And what other things happen that I don't even know about?

People think that children can't be evil, but there are tons of bullies, tons of kids who make fun of and exclude others, tons of kids who gossip, and so on. I experienced both being made fun of and excluded as well as doing that myself as a kid.

And, too, a lot of people simply allow evil to happen or who make excuses for it, even if they don't perpetrate it themselves. I think that people don't want to believe evil exists in their own backyards or recognize it, and so when face to face with it, they often dismiss it or tell the victim that he or she is just seeing things, reading the situation wrong, or crazy. I experienced that firsthand when I was a victim of sexual harassment.

I do not count on anyone but myself to look out for me and keep me safe.

Honestly, I don't even consider myself a "good" person. I wouldn't say that I'm horribly evil, but I could do a lot better, with my thoughts about people, especially. I might not say things to people, but if I get upset, I'll vent to others or else just think things that are pretty mean sometimes. I maybe don't always care as much as I should or am as appreciative and as grateful as I should be. I'm not always a good steward of what I have. I don't volunteer or help out as much butas I could or should. Things like that.


but see that's the thing,the media wants people to be. afraid,statistics show that violent crime has gone down a little but yet the news has upped the coverage of it to make it appear that it is a growing problem. And yea I agree that its wise to not be too trusting and open,but its not healthy to be suspicious of people who try to be nice either,a lot of people are nice, I remember when I was 16 I flew to Dallas and some man I didn't know just walked up to me in the airport and gave me a 20 dollar bill and said me and my wife wanted you to have this and than walked away,some people just do things like that, and another time i had 2 flat tires and was stranded on the side of the road and I put on my emergency blinker and waited for a long time and cars kept passing me by without stopping to check or assist me, than finally a man stopped and offered to help , and I knew immediately that he was hooked on Meth because I have experience with people who are,but he was nice enough to drive me to store and get a tire patch kit and than stayed helped me patch the tire and didn't leave till he saw that I was back on the road, and in all that time he never mentioned expecting me to pay him, this experience really touched me and opened my the to the fact that goodness lies in all people,because as I said I could tell he was on Meth because where I lived at the time was meth was a big problem,and the news always tries to make addicts look like terrible people who will kill you as soon as look at you, but yet this person who was supposedly a menace to society was the only one who stopped to help, that just goes to show that goodness can come from unlikely sources

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posted April 19, 2012 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Buddha's In Utero"

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~

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posted April 19, 2012 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea I base mine on personal experience ~ I've been treated well by most people most of the time.

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and it just makes me wonder: do I really know anyone that I know?

Nope, you're lucky if you know yourself.

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posted April 19, 2012 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people are decent, but decent people can do horrific things given the right circumstances. I think the truly horrible are few...just as I think the truly good and noble are few.

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Wow, Lonake and Randall. That is food for thought for me. When I was emotionally healthy, I was smart about human nature. There is a huge capacity for all varieties of action within the human being. However, man was not made to be a leader. The Bible likens man to sheep. It takes a huge amount of effort to man to overcome his desire to be liked, be part of a group and to succumb to authority. I think that may be the biggest thing I need to keep in mind as I try to come out of a great deal of mental and emotional confusion from my childhood.

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People are fragile. Anyone can break under pressure. I thank God for the grace I receive to be saved from too much temptation and adversity.
Even the saints sin.

People are fragile.

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posted April 19, 2012 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My response stems from the fact that I am a bit of an activist. I spend a good portion of my day at least one day a week sticking up for the underdog, (which in society today tends to be gays and lesbians, but they're certainly not the only group). The horribly cruel things people say to those that are different than they are is depressing and disheartening. And the only way to teach them is to train them like a dog what empathy is by being cruel and condescending to them. They become self-conscious long enough to stfu and stop bullying the minority. It sickens me but I continue to do it because idiots (of which the world is plentiful) need to be educated.

No, I don't think most people are good. I think people who have been victimized and kicked down by society are good because they know from experience how it feels. Everyone else can go f**k themselves.

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posted April 19, 2012 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An eye for an eye, huh. What happens when one of yours gets gouged?
Will you still be fighting the fight when your vision is so clouded by hatred that you can't see straight?
And does one need to be taunted for their sexual orientation to learn that life naturally throws curve balls, as if you're some force of nature? *True* activists do not hate humanity as much as you claim to. They do what they do to raise awareness of the matter in a responsible way. They hate the behavior, but not the people. They can see the difference & act accordingly. Their goal is to *further* humanitarian (generally democratic) causes, not to incite & demean by dragging humanity down as a consequence of their behavior.

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I think people who have been victimized and kicked down by society are good because they know from experience how it feels. Everyone else can go f**k themselves.

This argument is so *baseless* I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's sad.

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