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juniperb
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posted October 13, 2012 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there is good info already posted about trolls around Lindaland. It is always a good reminder to be alert and proactive.

Some very basic info:


Fortunately, itfs easy to spot an Internet troll from a distance. They have their own sets of socially unacceptable behaviors.


*Trolls generally use provocative and confrontational language. A clever one will mix it up with relevant and friendly posts.

*Trolls hardly ever stick to the topic; they beat around the bush with the intention to confuse the reader.

*Trolls of the subtle variety flag off their attack with innocent questions. You will often find them dressed up as new members of forums and chat rooms.

*Trolls lack understanding of a topic. They will not respond with a proper answer to a proper question.

*Trolls (especially the clever variants) use catch phrases to win sympathy. For instance, they may portray themselves as victims or specially challenged.

*Trolls use web addresses or fictitious online identities that lead to dead ends.

*Trolls may make desperate efforts to make themselves liked. Sugar coated responses or overt-flattering comments are signature troll moves.

There are different types of trolls. Most are hit-and-miss and are far easier to deal with. Some are more strategic in the way they embed themselves online so as to cause maximum mayhem with minimum fuss. Identifying an internet troll is half the battle one. You can only count on your experience to get one early before you are baited by them. Now, comes the relatively easy part of dealing with these internet trolls.

*Avoidance is the best policy: If you can catch them shooting their mouths off, totally ignore remarks left by trolls. Donft feed the trolls should be stuck up on a yellow sticky always.

*Avoid arguments: If you do get on a one-to-one with someone you suspect to be a troll, keep your remarks to an absolute minimum. State your facts and move on. Put the ball in their court. By the second remark or so, a troll would have identified himself.

**Donft let them flatter to deceive: There is a high chance that a troll will pay a compliment or two to ingratiate himself before he starts his attack. This is a tough one as there are many real admirers who do sugar coat their comments.

*Ask For Supporting Data: To net a troll in the anti-spam net, you can ask for data that can quickly verified like an email address or domain name. Genuine commentators usually have an online persona to back themselves.

*The power of the webmaster: You can use blacklists and whitelists to separate the bad from the good. IP addresses can be tracked and persistent attacks from an IP or a range of IPs can be effectively blocked.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-effective-ways-deal-arrogant-internet-trolls/

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charmainec
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posted October 13, 2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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juniperb
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posted October 13, 2012 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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C1ND3R
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posted October 13, 2012 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a tutorial on how you can have firefox show i.p. addresses and then block it to block the user no matter what screen name they have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_hqexKkw8

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teasel
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posted October 13, 2012 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what I missed, but on another forum, we've just started agreeing with everything they say. No fights get started that way.

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PixieJane
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posted October 13, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The definition of troll keeps being changed. Not too long ago there was a panel that defined trolls as someone trying to bully others into silence because they don't like what you say while the above list seems to include those with powerful insecurity to an outright personality disorder. It gets kinda confusing to see the definition of a troll morph as it has in the last couple of years or so (though it's still better than the definition some have of "anyone who upsets me by disagreeing").

To me (and I thought it was to most others, at least until the last couple of years or so) it meant someone trying to get attention. There are even boards and sites to help trolls upset people, and many claim to hold views they don't just to upset others (for example, a fundie that goes to a board for gay people and posts how they're gonna burn in hell is a grade-A jerk but not a troll, the troll would say that simply to tick them off but isn't a Christian and may even go to Christian boards and pretend to be gay just to upset them next). They think it's funny and perhaps having so many people respond to them (even if it's hateful) makes them feel relevant, maybe even powerful.

And here's perhaps the best fun vid on internet trolls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 13, 2012 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always just thought that a troll was someone who just deliberately disagreed with a group and went there to cause trouble.

Agree that it seems to be changing.

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PixieJane
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posted October 13, 2012 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And this makes me laugh, the magazine for the ITG (Internet Tough Guy):
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9316/dorquemadaaf0.jpg

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juniperb
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posted October 13, 2012 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The definition may change but the underlaying behavior does not.
Posting to incite or inflame is always a basic behavior. (among others. )

note this one that is a given by newer members that feels familiar. They are because the behaviors remain the same from person to person.

*Trolls generally use provocative and confrontational language. A clever one will mix it up with relevant and friendly posts.

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Alma Sun
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posted October 14, 2012 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Worst Internet Trolls Might Be Mentally Ill

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juniperb
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posted October 14, 2012 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my word

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charmainec
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posted October 14, 2012 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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PixieJane
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posted October 14, 2012 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess motivations matter to me. If someone tries to upset people as part of some game I completely cut them out of my awareness, like an annoying but meaningless gnat.

Someone who's just so insecure or immature that they lash out whenever they're in a bad mood or feel challenged is someone I tend to avoid but may not cut out completely, especially if it's more mood-oriented.

I generally overlook those I see with poor people skills or who have unpopular ideas as I see no malice there. There's even one guy who some think of as a troll (and I don't blame them) but I believe him mentally ill and I've defended him...even if he's about the only one who ever inspired me to full rant mode, but I know he doesn't do it out of malice or because he thinks it's funny, he does it because of a mixture of unpopular beliefs and a defensiveness born of paranoia (creating a somewhat self-fulfilling prophecy when he does a preemptive attack). I more pity him than hold in contempt as I would a troll.

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posted October 14, 2012 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Alma Sun:

The Worst Internet Trolls Might Be Mentally Ill



Uh.. that kind of resembles my desk. Only, I don't smoke, and I don't spend much time here.

I was thinking the same thing as Pixie wrote above; especially since I've responded poorly at times.

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posted October 15, 2012 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree - best to discourage trollish behavior by not responding to posts of that sort.

Perhaps one of these may be in order too:

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juniperb
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posted October 15, 2012 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sunshine

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teasel
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posted October 16, 2012 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still wondering what prompted this.

It's a shame we don't have an ignore function here.

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charmainec
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posted October 16, 2012 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sunshine9:
I agree - best to discourage trollish behavior by not responding to posts of that sort.

Perhaps one of these may be in order too:


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Ami Anne
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posted October 16, 2012 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, ignoring is the best!

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posted October 16, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The political correctness and delicacies of tyranny that is rampant in today's world (Especially in Academia) labels most "critical thinkers" trolls (Even if they are 100% correct). Simply because they often have very strong and opposing views It is that kind of P-C behavior that is deeply disturbing for society in the future...

Its the "soft-kill" of the human spirit


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posted October 16, 2012 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Sunshine


How have you been, dear one?? Long time no see..

There's been some drama in my life of late.. but I'll save that for another thread.

I've missed you!!

Hugs,
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juniperb
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posted October 16, 2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
The political correctness and delicacies of tyranny that is rampant in today's world (Especially in Academia) labels most "critical thinkers" trolls (Even if they are 100% correct). Simply because they often have very strong and opposing views It is that kind of P-C behavior that is deeply disturbing for society in the future...

Its the "soft-kill" of the human spirit


Speaking for this forum, that isn`t the sort of "troll" we are refering to

Strong academic opinions are one thing, the kind of troll mentioned in opening post is the run of the mill kind Lindaland gets.

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juniperb
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posted October 16, 2012 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sunshine, I will look for your thread and I hope it`s all been resolved now!

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Lei_Kuei
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posted October 16, 2012 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Speaking for this forum, that isn`t the sort of "troll" we are refering to

Give it 5 years and Internet Censorship and Ill bump that post lol

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posted October 16, 2012 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for C1ND3R     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is everyone purposely ignoring my helpful link?

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