posted August 25, 2014 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Swanlake:
YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT OF ORIGINAL POST!!!!!!

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Sorry, I mistook your OP (and questions after such as "why is that?") as an invitation for an exchange of ideas and conversation, not mindlessly joining you in praise of a weak analogy (note, I didn't say outright false analogy). Suffice to say I'm not impressed as you are (I also don't use all caps and many exclamation marks to emphasize my points either so I expect you're much more impressed with simple emotional arguments that mistake strong feelings for clear thinking than I am). If you're going to start threads like this (especially when you ask questions like "why is that?" which aren't as rhetorical as you think) then you need to accept that others have different perspectives (which aren't a personal attack on you).

posted August 25, 2014 01:12 PM            

Then I've met those same qualities in people, but reversed too.

posted August 25, 2014 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Well-Said.

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posted August 25, 2014 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
I've known meat eaters with hearts of gold and far beyond where many in new age circles seem to have gotten, with just a naturally loving heart. And also vegan/vegetarians that think they are above everyone, and quick to point out everyone else's flaws, what they should be eating and direct them to the one and only way they see to enlightenment or God and are often callous and cold and close-minded in general, especially to those that don't follow their rules, quick to look down on another because they don't do as they do.

Then I've met those same qualities in people, but reversed too.

What's more important in the long run? How you loved, what you shared here on earth, how you served others? Or how you judged them for what they ingested? In the end, we are spirits in a material world. Certain laws govern the material and other laws the finer parts of us. We can strike a balance if we can see through what is "real" and what is not. What is everlasting and what is not.

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It doesn't matter what you think, eating meat is not good for ascension, and thats what matters in the long run.

this isn't new age stuff, its just truth, sorry.

I don't know who is judging here, but i do see you assuming I'm judging. sorry you take it so personal.

posted August 25, 2014 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
It doesn't matter what you think, eating meat is not good for ascension, and thats what matters in the long run.

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I'll agree that "it doesn't matter what you think" - doesn't matter to you anyway. What I think matters only to me. If your truth is different to mine, that is okay.

"Ascension" is something else I don't cling to. All rivers are running into the same big ocean. If you get there before anyone else, good for you. We are all going back to the same place.

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this isn't new age stuff, its just truth, sorry.

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How do you know? Is your truth the one and only truth? How are you so sure that your truth is what everyone else's truth should be?

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I don't know who is judging here, but i do see you assuming I'm judging. sorry you take it so personal.

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I'm only going by things you have written here on the forums. You seem to think you have everyone else's truth and they should follow what you say.

I don't take that personally, don't worry. I am only pointing some things out.

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its not enough to be a good person, there are plenty of religious people who have good hearts, but at the end of the day they are still sinners.

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posted August 25, 2014 02:03 PM            

Why would anyone want to consume animal DNA? Why do you want to mix animal consciousness with your consciousness? Its just common sense to me. But like i said you have that choice.

posted August 25, 2014 02:21 PM            

I'm going to look for a story I heard a long time ago about Jesus being hungry and invited into a home that served him a meal with meat. He ate the meat with a grateful heart and shared the lesson with disciples later, about it not being about the actual contents of the food, but that it was served with love and generosity and how one should never turn down a kind of offering when in need, no matter what may be on the platter and no matter what beliefs one holds or not. It would have been insulting for him to do so. So he took it in the spirit it was given. The lesson was about what's behind the material objects and matter of this world. Nothing can keep you from "ascending" - especially not something so small as the food you eat.

posted August 25, 2014 02:30 PM            

And like i said earlier, Jesus only consumed Fish, and even then I'm not certain he ate all that much.

T, you think your mind works better on meat, but its a reality you created and its simply false.

posted August 25, 2014 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
That's the thing, I don't plan on passing on.

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Alright.

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And like i said earlier, Jesus only consumed Fish, and even then I'm not certain he ate all that much.

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You can't be sure of that. I'm not even certain he existed in the flesh ever at all. He might just be a myth or guiding point/light for us people here. He might only exist in our collective consciousness and never set foot on earth.

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T, you think your mind works better on meat, but its a reality you created and its simply false.

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When I researched this years ago and then switched to a new diet and noticed the effects, I couldn't deny what was going on. I might try to provide you with more info later, but I have the feeling it might fall on deaf ears.
http://learn.fi.edu/learn/brain/proteins.html

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In fact I learned this information from beings who have already ascended.

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posted August 25, 2014 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:

In fact I learned this information from beings who have already ascended.

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posted August 25, 2014 06:23 PM            

I'm not trying to make you believe me. You can think I'm getting false information. When you open your third eye one day, you will see what I mean.

You are still trying to figure out the truth and I'm not. That's all i can say about everything you are trying to tell me.

posted August 25, 2014 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Just be careful. If they aren't telling you the importance of loving your family on earth, then I'd probably not listen to them.

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I don't know what you mean. I do love humanity, i just don't love how they live. And I have every right to not like how most people live.

posted August 25, 2014 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I also like to give Thanks for the Plants and Animals that have given of themselves that they become part of a Higher Being, and ask that I; in my turn, do the same.

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That reminds me...when I die I don't want my body placed in a coffin or some such, I want my body to help nurture and feed the soil which feeds the plants which feeds the herbivores and thus carnivores and essentially to give myself back to feed nature that once fed me. Being kept in a coffin seems to cheat nature to me, to insult it as saying "we're above you rather than apart of you" and I find peace in the thought of being one with nature by becoming part of it rather than cut off from it in a strong coffin.

posted August 26, 2014 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't know what you mean. I do love humanity, i just don't love how they live. And I have every right to not like how most people live.

You're telling me about love? You eat slaughtered animals that suffer horrendously before being killed.

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Yeah, I'm telling you about love - as a meat eater.

posted August 26, 2014 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't know what you mean. I do love humanity, i just don't love how they live. And I have every right to not like how most people live.

You're telling me about love? You eat slaughtered animals that suffer horrendously before being killed.

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You've got it all wrong my dear. & no one ever said you didn't like humanity.

Prove your love thru kind enlightened words like many people do here

posted August 26, 2014 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Jesus is one of my teachers, and he did exist in the flesh on earth. I'm way past trying to figure out who he was and what he was doing here.

I'm not trying to make you believe me. You can think I'm getting false information. When you open your third eye one day, you will see what I mean.

You are still trying to figure out the truth and I'm not. That's all i can say about everything you are trying to tell me.

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I'm glad you are "way past trying to figure out what he (Jesus) was doing here" etc..

I never even started trying to do that, so I guess I won. I've many thing figured out long before they even e n red your mind

posted August 26, 2014 03:30 AM            

If you knew the truth about jesus you wouldn't be questioning if he lived in the flesh.

Yeah, I'm 'cold' and say it like it is. Sorry, I have a capricorn moon conjunct neptune.

and I'm not a follower of anyone including jesus. and thats the first thing he teaches is to follow nobody. nobody on earth can be perfect, until they ascend to that level, so I'm not judged for anything you see me do here, at all. i do a lot and thats all that matters.

people argue on forums. thats what they do.

posted August 26, 2014 07:12 AM            

" Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made for vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole structure of the human body shows that man should not be a non-vegetarian. Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute vegetarians. If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.

Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of the intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers, lions – they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a digested food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of digestion has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal’s meat. It is already digested – no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the longest intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed, and much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.

If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is burdened. In the East, all the great meditators – Buddha, Mahavir – have emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence – that is a secondary thing – but because if you really want to move in deep meditation your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to be unloaded; and a non-vegetarian’s body is very loaded.

Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly. If somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you and kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill a lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness – all these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish, agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the body glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried in your body.

That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a specific purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal’s body. You are on a higher plane than the animal’s consciousness, and when you eat the animal’s meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the lower plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness and your body, and so tension arises and anxiety arises."

Mix this with quantum physic (everything is energy) heck, just think of our ancestors which always said a prayer or said sorry after killing an animal in order to cleanse the negative energy from him.
I know someone which gave up on meat since 5 years ago. if she eats a bit of meat now, her body will get sick and abort it in a violent way. She can barely stand the smell. Her psychic powers intensified.
I won't get into innunaki/annunaki talk now. Reptilians like meat, it comes natural. They are among us, and hell, theyre plenty. All of our leaders are the same royal reptile blood. I'll stop with this now.

I personally don't eat meat. Just fish. Oh yeah, I might get screamed at and I do - But fish is meat too! You're doing nothing. Well, and I'm not saying it just for my own sake, but the fish has the lowest conscious level from all the other animals. Memory lost every 8 minutes and so on, yeah? He doesn't realize what's really happening to him. Fish is a good alternative if you want to give up somehow.

Just give it a meditation.

posted August 26, 2014 09:32 AM            

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i feel you're just upset that I'm speaking truth and its getting to you. sorry about that. bye.

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posted August 26, 2014 09:49 AM            

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Hi, ilunatique, I'm a fan of Osho as well (though obviously don't take everything he said as my own truth).

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Hi T! You have my respect.
There are no absolute truths however, yes).

I try to stick on both parts as much as i can and when it's possible even though I have my own fixed cross type of glasses too. We create our own reality after all/we get to choose what glasses we want to wear or/if - we want to try others from time to time. But it's never sweet to attack other people because they just have different glasses than you.

We should all accept everyone's reality/beliefs and remember that there is no absolute truth... no arguing/getting upset/ or who's the wrong one here .. because no one is!