posted August 23, 2014 09:53 PM            

Here is what he put forward for listeners to consider-
"imagine if one day an alien species came here, and started capturing human children to slaughter because they enjoyed eating young tender human flesh,- how would that make you feel?"

This really had a huge impact on my brother, and he has been a vegetarian for 5 yrs now.

I myself have never enjoyed meat, and rarely
eat it, but I admire my brother's total committment.

posted August 23, 2014 10:11 PM            

If it's wrong, then why is it right to allow dolphins and killer whales to eat fish, or lions to eat gazelle? What about birds and chickens eating bugs? How should we intervene to stop it?

'Course then that opens more cans of worms since predators are an important part in keeping a natural balance, and removing predators is a good way to destroy foliage as those who eat it overpopulate and then they start dying horribly of starvation (or other problems). Sometimes what's ethical just isn't the same as practical or even wise.

Of course there's the thought that sentience makes a big difference. That is, if another species could effectively communicate with words (yes, sign language counts) then killing that species becomes murder. Some take that farther than most so that some won't eat pork because of how intelligent pigs can be, for example, but will still eat chicken, beef, and (dolphin-free) fish.

posted August 23, 2014 11:39 PM            

In a Dream, Merlin told me to.

So I did.

My actual reasoning was that the Energy was closer to the Sun, so of a Purer Form.

posted August 23, 2014 11:43 PM            

Too much so, in fact.

When you are already sensitive, it can be almost overwhelming.

I think it is Very Important to totally and completely enjoy every single bite, and to ask Spirit to extract the Evermost Essence from every tasty morsel.

posted August 24, 2014 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Simple truth, God created a world in which meat eating is part of the cycle. Anything so separate from nature as to be beyond that is not God...or at least not the Creator.

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posted August 24, 2014 12:14 AM            

Yet in another thread you sounded angry at the idea of hunting animals for food & clothes which confused me as hunting and living off the land strikes me as quintessentially male and made me wonder how you define "manly." (And now there's this thread, too.)

posted August 24, 2014 12:21 AM            

And meat doesn't mean literal meat.

posted August 24, 2014 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
you know in the bible where it says, 'meat for men and milk for babes'. Go ahead and learn about that and you will understand my philosophy.

And meat doesn't mean literal meat.

I do not associate hunting and killing with masculinity. Quite the opposite. People are weak in the flesh, being ruled by their base passions. It takes a very strong individual to rise above the weakness of the flesh.

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Okay, so what is "femininity"?

I presume you believe women should also "rise above the weakness of the flesh." Therefore masculinity has nothing to do with such strength and so you wouldn't have used the word. How is a man "masculine" to you that's different from "feminine"?

posted August 24, 2014 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Swanlake:
It's very curious how people in general don't want to/ are unable to think about how they would feel if humans were slaughtered as food, by a larger species.

-Just that fact in itself .

Why is that? - Anyone?

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People do think about that. It's fairly common in movies and stories (some that even romanticize it, like with vampires). And many hunters realize that when hunting in the wild that they themselves may become the hunted (and what will take down a deer won't take down a bear, and even a gun that can might not stop one in time to save your own neck). Maybe I'll give a "general explanation" later on how others roughly see it (though there are variables in ethical outlooks & practices, and like many who promote veganism, not everyone truly "thinks" about it, but rather "feels" their beliefs on the matter).

posted August 24, 2014 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Okay, so what is "femininity"?

I presume you believe women should also "rise above the weakness of the flesh." Therefore masculinity has nothing to do with such strength and so you wouldn't have used the word. How is a man "masculine" to you that's different from "feminine"?

(Don't refer to the writings of St. Paul again--at least not without something more to go on--unless you want me to think you believe femininity is covering or shaving your head with no braids, fulfilling your purpose by having children, submission to a husband, and staying quiet when it comes to spiritual matters.)

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What are you talking about Re St. Paul? You don't even know what it means, so don't even go there. lol.

femininity is love. masculinity is light.

feminine is the heart, masculine is mind.

there are dual aspects of these characteristics, and most of humanity lives on the evil side.

i have higher understanding of such things, that if i were to elaborate further, probably confuse you more. so i'll leave it at that.

all in all, eating animals which suffer before being slaughtered is evil and karmic. Thats why there are so many diseases in the world.

posted August 24, 2014 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
What are you talking about Re St. Paul?

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I was talking about where you said this:

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you know in the bible where it says, 'meat for men and milk for babes'. Go ahead and learn about that and you will understand my philosophy.

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I presume you meant 1 Corinthians 3, which is accepted as having been written by St. Paul.

Just letting you know since you asked.

posted August 24, 2014 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Simple truth, God created a world in which meat eating is part of the cycle. Anything so separate from nature as to be beyond that is not God...or at least not the Creator.

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White Meat is fine.
Remember-Good karma doesn't happen to you at the expense of somebody else.

posted August 24, 2014 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Simple truth, you eat animals, you will be an animal and never evolve into God.

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In fact I say White because it is Lean.
Any kind of lean meat will do.
Becoming an Animal is metaphor for consuming Fatty Foods.
Also Fatty Foods can Block the process of Godly Wisdom.
Eat, Laugh and make merry is what Karma Propagates.

posted August 24, 2014 07:41 PM            

Jack Sprat could eat no fat
His wife could eat no lean
And so betwixt the two of them
They licked the platter clean
Jack ate all the lean,
Joan ate all the fat.
The bone they picked it clean,
Then gave it to the cat
Jack Sprat was wheeling,
His wife by the ditch.
The barrow turned over,
And in she did pitch.

posted August 25, 2014 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Btw, athenegoddess, I was curious about something. In one thread you said you wouldn't sleep with a guy because he wasn't manly enough so didn't excite you in that way. Furthermore, you seemed to be agreeing with the OP in that thread that a man was "feminine" for not liking outdoor activity that would get him dirty, sweaty, or exposed to animals that weren't pets, which suggests you have a traditional view of masculinity yourself.

Yet in another thread you sounded angry at the idea of hunting animals for food & clothes which confused me as hunting and living off the land strikes me as quintessentially male and made me wonder how you define "manly." (And now there's this thread, too.)

Though if I understood you correctly in both threads then it's okay to say you're still evolving from your own animal nature and/or that you can't stand the guys you have chemistry with, that is to say "spiritually incompatible" with someone who turns you on intensely (a common problem). I'm just curious on what you meant by "manly" and/or how the seeming contradictions work out for you. This is a Scorpio Jupiter question, not some "attack" or "criticism." Genuine curiosity.

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posted August 25, 2014 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
How would you feel if an alien species came here to devour us and yet another alien species did nothing? Is that morally wrong to allow another species free reign at eating us?

If it's wrong, then why is it right to allow dolphins and killer whales to eat fish, or lions to eat gazelle? What about birds and chickens eating bugs? How should we intervene to stop it?

'Course then that opens more cans of worms since predators are an important part in keeping a natural balance, and removing predators is a good way to destroy foliage as those who eat it overpopulate and then they start dying horribly of starvation (or other problems). Sometimes what's ethical just isn't the same as practical or even wise.

Of course there's the thought that sentience makes a big difference. That is, if another species could effectively communicate with words (yes, sign language counts) then killing that species becomes murder. Some take that farther than most so that some won't eat pork because of how intelligent pigs can be, for example, but will still eat chicken, beef, and (dolphin-free) fish.

But there's debate on what sentience actually is. IMO this is one of the best explorations of the concept from a scifi point of view (and ties in a bit to what was said on that radio show):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMlDidyG_I

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posted August 25, 2014 05:24 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Pix and Athene, You two belong to ME

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