posted April 25, 2011 01:28 PM            

As I recall, leftist attacks during the Bush administration centered around the meme...Bush lied, people died.

Bush manipulated intelligence data to take America to war.

Bush twisted intelligence analysts arms to produce findings conducive to attacking Iraq.

Bush's War of choice.

Bush was behind the attacks on 9/11.

Bush is a murderer...you should remember that one acoustic.

Every single leftist charge was a big fat lie designed to make America look guilty in the eyes of the international community.

posted April 25, 2011 02:09 PM            

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Yeah, but what you said made no sense acoustic.

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It makes no sense to someone hell bent on seeing things one way.

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As I recall, leftist attacks during the Bush administration centered around the meme...Bush lied, people died.

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Wow! That's a vast reduction of the myriad of criticisms people had of the Bush administration.

No one here said "Bush lied, people died" more than you.

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Every single leftist charge was a big fat lie designed to make America look guilty in the eyes of the international community.

That IS an Attack on America.

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No, not every charge against the administration was a lie, nor was ANY of it designed to illustrate some guilt on behalf of America. That's preposterous. It's not in a citizen's best interest to try to incriminate his own country in the world's eyes. Most of the criticism was an attempt to get the U.S. to stop making itself look guilty. Abu Ghraib, waterboarding, Guantanamo...these were all things out of the public's hand, which the Administration did itself. If anyone was trying to incriminate itself in the world's eyes it was the Administration. Not the people saying, "Whoa there."

posted April 25, 2011 03:24 PM            

Your big chance to do what you've never been able to do before acoustic.

State the factual proof underlying what leftists were saying about Bush.

posted April 25, 2011 04:43 PM            

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btw, Bush lied, people died was the mantra of the left...and some members here.

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No, "Bush lied, people died," was your mantra that you assigned to the Left. Like I said before, you said it FAR MORE than anyone else.

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When I said it, it was in rebuttal to leftists who never were able to show any lie Bush told the American people.

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This is untrue as well. You said it when nothing about "lies" was even brought up. It was your go-to line. You even started a thread with that as the title.

"Bush lied, people died" is YOUR line. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone outside of YOU say it. It didn't stop me from proving it to you a couple times. AcousticGod, May 28, 2009 05:31 PM

We don't need to rehash history, and get off topic.

This has been done before:

I'm trying to figure out how an article about the military producing propaganda pieces translates into a call from a Republican to prove Bush lied. Just a convenient diversion?
Could this be farther from the topic? - AcousticGod, September 19, 2006 06:20 PM

Once again you want me off the subject, and talking about lies you think you have the answer for. If you google, "Bush lied people died lindaland" all the results will show pages where YOU used the line.

posted April 25, 2011 05:53 PM            

If you did, you would have trotted it out by now...instead of beating around the "bush".

Bush lied, people died http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/11/474431/-Bush-Lied-People-Died

Bush lied, people died http://thevoice.name/?p=2439

Bush lied, people died http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/09/bush_lied_people_died_photos.php

Whoops
Bush Lied is the Big Lie http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/bush_lied_is_the_big_lie.html

posted April 25, 2011 06:09 PM            

"You don't think Bush lied about Saddam's WMD?"...jwhop

posted April 25, 2011 06:28 PM            

I don't know what you're trying to prove with those links, but since they're not links to any linda-goodman.com threads in which you heard "Bush lied, People died" I'm pretty certain they're moot.

That DailyKos article specifies a lie as being the supposed link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Yes, any suspiscion that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda was untrue. That's true. You tried proving this yourself, and you got spanked on the issue as I recall. You even tried to make Saddam out as a religious person claiming he wrote some papers that some Conservative site claimed proved his ties to Al Qaeda. Wrong. Unsubstantiated. Remember?

The Voice article you posted blasts the proposition that Bush lied, and people died. That post talks about how Clinton believed the same as the administration, so he didn't want to hear about it. Is this proof of some leftist mantra, or is it proof of Conservatives like yourself going a little crazy co-opting the phrase in order to make some manic attempt at justifying Bush?

Your third link doesn't really say anything about the statement.

The Real Clear Politics article makes Bush out to be an unwitting untruth-teller. Fair enough. Still, as I said years ago, stating an untruth is the same as telling a lie. If I say you're an alien, and I believe you're an alien, you'd still be right to call me a liar, because you're not actually an alien. Same deal with WMD. He didn't have to know whether or not they present in Iraq for the statement to be considered a lie.

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No, the point of this discussion IS...O'Bomber is a sick, sick, sick man!

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posted April 25, 2011 06:31 PM            

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Which only proves you are definitions challenged and don't know the difference between faulty intelligence and a deliberate attempt to deceive others...which is the definition of "lie".

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posted April 25, 2011 06:42 PM            

Open your eyes acoustic or get your specs adjusted.

Oh, you also said Bush lied...as I showed everyone here by providing the link back to when you said it.

posted April 26, 2011 12:14 PM            

Hey acoustic, you don't have to accept my opinion on that.

Let's try Merriam-Webster...shall we?

Definition of LIE
intransitive verb
1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2: to create a false or misleading impression
transitive verb
: to bring about by telling lies <lied his way out of trouble>
Origin of LIE
Middle English, from Old English lçogan; akin to Old High German liogan to lie, Old Church Slavic lŭgati
First Known Use: before 12th century
Synonym Discussion of LIE
lie, prevaricate, equivocate, palter, fib mean to tell an untruth. lie is the blunt term, imputing dishonesty <lied about where he had been>. prevaricate softens the bluntness of lie by implying quibbling or confusing the issue <during the hearings the witness did his best to prevaricate>. equivocate implies using words having more than one sense so as to seem to say one thing but intend another <equivocated endlessly in an attempt to mislead her inquisitors>. palter implies making unreliable statements of fact or intention or insincere promises <a swindler paltering with his investors>. fib applies to a telling of a trivial untruth <fibbed about the price of the new suit>.

posted April 26, 2011 03:23 PM            

2: to create a false or misleading impression

Put that in your smart phone and tweet it.

posted April 26, 2011 03:50 PM            

The catchphrase in question was used as a blanket statement by the extreme left, and those who actually voted for Bush- (finding themselves awash in disgust shortly thereafter.) Yes? YES! So what?

Iraq was orchestrated by the Bush admin, we all know this. People died because of it.Iraq body count
Casualties

Just google the phrase 'Bush lies' and you will find entire sites dedicated to the documented lies, misrepresentations, and unconstitutional behaviors commited by himself, and vast numbers of his admin.

But- well, whatever.

It amazes me how all of it is explained away by those who hold G. Walker in high esteme to this day.

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Great List of Scandalized Administration Officials

these are all pre-2007 btw

Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty

* Scooter Libby - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, and Making False Statements in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

* Lester Crawford - Commissioner, FDA - resigned after only two months on the job. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and making false statements.

* Brian Doyle - Deputy Press Secretary, DHS - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Pled no contest to 32 criminal counts.

* Claude Allen - Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty to shoplifting from Target stores.

* David Safavian - former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget - convicted of lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

* Larry Franklin - intelligence officer, Defense - resigned, pled guilty to passing secrets to Israel.

* Roger Stillwell - desk officer, Interior Department - pled guilty to failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff.

* Frank Figueroa - senior DHS official, former head of anti-sex-crime Operation Predator - pled no contest to exposing himself to 16-year-old girl in Florida mall. Girl says he fondled himself for ten minutes. Figueroa forfeited his badge, gun, and access to databases; employment status pending internal DHS review.

* Darleen Druyun - senior contracting official, U.S. Air Force - pled guilty and sentenced to nine months in prison for her role in the Boeing tanker lease scandal.

* John Korsmo - chairman, Federal Housing Finance Board - pled guilty last year to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend's congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the "Special Guest." Got 18 months of probation.

* P. Trey Sunderland III - chief, Geriatric Psychiatry, Nat'l Institute of Mental Health - admitted to a criminal conflict of interest charge for failing to report $300,000 received from Pfizer, Inc. *As of 12/11/06, still employed by NIMH.

Resigned Due to/Pending/After Investigation

* Carl Truscott - Director, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Bureau - resigned. A report by the Justice Department's Inspector General found that Truscott wasted tens of thousands of dollars on luxuries, wasted millions on whimsical management decisions and violated ethics rules by ordering employees to help his nephew with a high school video project.

* Steven Griles - Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - resigned, currently under investigation by the Justice Department for his ties to Jack Abramoff.

* Susan Ralston - assistant, White House - resigned amidst revelations that she had accepted thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff without compensating him, counter to White House ethics rules.

* Dusty Foggo - Executive Director, CIA - stepped down following accusations of corruption in connection to the Duke Cunningham scandal. Under investigation.

* Janet Rehnquist - Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services - resigned in the face of allegations she blocked a politically dangerous probe on behalf of the Bush family.

* Ken Tomlinson, Board Chairman, Corporation for Public Broadcasting; member, Broadcasting Board of Governors - resigned at the release of an inspector general report concluding he had broken laws in spending CPB money to hire politically connected consultants to search for "bias" without consulting the board. At BBG, a separate investigation found he was running a "horse racing operation" out of his office, and continuing to hire politically-wired individuals to do "consulting" work for him. He's still there.

* George Deutsch - press aide, NASA - resigned amid allegations he prevented the agency's top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming.

* Richard Perle - Chairman, Defense Policy Board - resigned from Pentagon advisory panel amid conflict-of-interest charges.

* James Roche - secretary, U.S. Air Force - resigned in the wake of the Boeing tanker lease scandal, after it was revealed he had rather crudely pushed for Boeing to win a $23 billion contract.

* Marvin Sambur - top contracting executive, U.S. Air Force - Druyun's boss, Sambur resigned in the wake of the scandal. Investigations cleared him of wrongdoing.

* Philip Cooney - chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooney resigned after it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming.

* Thomas Scully - Administrator, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services - shortly after Scully resigned in 2003, an investigation by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of the Inspector General found that Scully had pressured the agency's actuary to underestimate the full cost of the Medicare reform bill by approximately $100 billion until after Congress passed the bill into law. Scully was also charged wtih conflict of interest allegations by the U.S. attorney's office for billing CMS for expenses incurred during a job search while he still headed the agency. He settled those charges by paying $9,782.

* Michelle Larson Korsmo - deputy chief of staff, Department of Labor - Helped her husband (see Frank Korsmo, above) with his donor scam. Quietly left her Labor plum job in February 2004, about two weeks before news broke that she and her husband were the targets of a criminal probe.

* David Smith - Deputy Assistant Secretary for Fish, Wildlife, and Parks, Interior Department - resigned after shooting a buffalo and accepting its remains as an illegal gratuity. He eventually paid over $3,000 for the dead buffalo, but only after the internal inquiry had commenced.

* Sean Tunis - Chief Medical Officer, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) - Last summer, the State of Maryland suspended his medical license because he faked documentation relating to his medical education. Despite that, he stayed on board for several months at CMS, albeit on administrative leave. He has since been replaced, although it's not clear when because CMS did not announce the switch and has not responded to our calls.

Nomination Failed Due to Scandal

* Bernard Kerik - nominated, Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - withdrew his nomination amidst a host of corruption allegations. Eventually pled guilty to a misdemeanor relating to having accepted improper gifts totaling tens of thousands of dollars while he was a New York City official in the late 1990's.

* Timothy Flanigan - nominated, Deputy Attorney General - withdrew his nomination amidst revelations that he'd worked closely with lobbyist Jack Abramoff when he was General Counsel for Corporate and International Law at Tyco, which was a client of Abramoff's.

* Linda Chavez - nominated, Secretary of Labor - withdrew her nomination amidst revelations that an illegal immigrant lived in her home and worked for her.

Update/Correction: This list originally included Joseph Schmitz, the Pentagon's former inspector general in the "Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation, or Allegations of Impropriety" category. Although The Los Angeles Times reported in September of 2005 that Schmitz had resigned "amid accusations that he stonewalled inquiries into senior Bush administration officials suspected of wrongdoing," Schmitz has since told us that his resignation was unconnected to those accusations, and that he had notified Donald Rumsfeld of his intent to resign fully one year prior, more than six months before Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) launched a probe of whether Schmitz had blocked two criminal investigations in 2004. Schmitz left public office to become chief operating officer and general counsel of the Prince Group, the parent company of Blackwater.

Schmitz also has provided TPM with portions of his statement to the Integrity Committee (IC) of the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency in August 2006, in response to the July 7, 2005, Letter from Senator Grassley raising "allegations that [Schmitz had] either quashed or redirected two ongoing criminal investigations" -- as well as communication by the IC Chairman that concluded, based on the Integrity Committee's review of the evidence, that "[w]e will now notify Mr. Schmitz that the IC has reviewed the matter and concluded that there was no wrongdoing."

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GWB would go on to nearly eclipse Ronnies 138 Convicted/Imprisoned officials.

GWB was one of the worst presidents in US history, and that is what the experts say.

Oh, and all of this is OLD News as per usual.

link

Carry on

posted April 26, 2011 04:04 PM            

It's apparent you didn't read or can't see past your nose.

Synonym Discussion of LIE
lie, prevaricate, equivocate, palter, fib mean to tell an untruth. lie is the blunt term, imputing dishonesty <lied about where he had been>. prevaricate softens the bluntness of lie by implying quibbling or confusing the issue <during the hearings the witness did his best to prevaricate>. equivocate implies using words having more than one sense so as to seem to say one thing but intend another <equivocated endlessly in an attempt to mislead her inquisitors>. palter implies making unreliable statements of fact or intention or insincere promises <a swindler paltering with his investors>. fib applies to a telling of a trivial untruth <fibbed about the price of the new suit>.

Bluntly speaking anyone who "creates" a "false" or "misleading" impression is a "liar" and has told a "lie" or "lies".

To create a false or misleading impression is an act of being "deceptive"...which is one of the elements I said must be present in order for a statement to be a "Lie".

The element of intent is the linchpin of all lies. Otherwise, it's just a mistaken statement if it's not true.

You already said Bush lied...with good intentions.

posted April 26, 2011 04:23 PM            

We did this years ago with Petron. Don't you remember? It was Petron and hot dogs I think.

The only person who can't see past his nose is the one that posted that second definition, which I cited. Your belief in the component of intent to deceive is wrong. Straight up. You can look in any dictionary, and find I'm right about this.

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So acoustic, what "Lie" or "Lies" did George W Bush tell the American people to take the nation to war?

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We've already been over this stuff at length. You're not going to gain any ground you don't already imagine yourself to have gained. The connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda was always a seriously flawed falsehood. 9/11 happened, and that was the catapult into Iraq. Where's the connective thread? There is none.

posted April 26, 2011 06:00 PM            

Juni could say..."you're mistaken".

posted April 26, 2011 06:30 PM            

There's only one version of the "truth"...that which IS "true".

I seem to recall using the word Lie or Liar and I also remember that when I did, I backed it up with examples.

posted April 26, 2011 06:45 PM            

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There's only one version of the "truth"...that which IS "true".

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Right, which is not what Bush put forward at various times in his administration. The opposite of a lie, incidentally, is the truth.

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Now acoustic, are you attempting to say all those demoscat congressional members and O'Bomber are just "mistaken" almost all the time? Cause if you are, that's another reason to give them the boot back to where ever they came from.

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posted April 26, 2011 11:23 PM            

"Right, which is not what Bush put forward at various times in his administration. The opposite of a lie, incidentally, is the truth."...acoustic

So acoustic, you're back to Bush lied.

What did Bush "lie" about acoustic? How about a Bush quote that was a lie? Think you can handle that?

posted April 27, 2011 07:14 AM            

If you know of any lie Bush told the American People, post it right here.

"What did Bush "lie" about acoustic? How about a Bush quote that was a lie? Think you can handle that?"

If you don't or can't, then stop repeating the lies of the lying leftist lunatic fringe.