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jwhop
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posted September 02, 2009 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes He Is!, !Yes He Is!, Yes He Is! should be the chant echoing across America.

A man with a "I can do no wrong" Messiah cult personality, Megalomania, Narcissism and Borderline Personality Disorder should never be permitted anywhere near the levers of power in any government.

A man who intends to "Save the World" of people, who intends to "Save the Planet" in a physical sense, who intends to "Remake America"..in whose image?.., who believes he has both the Constitutional authority and the ability to run large portions of the US private sector when he has no "Executive" decision making experience whatsoever...that man is a sick, sick, sick man and needs psychological help. The sooner the better.

Now, this sick, sick, sick Prez intends to propagandize school kids and attempt to induct them into his cult of personality.

A directive..orders from headquarters...has been sent out from O'Bomber's Dept of Education to all schools to tune in to O'Bomber's speech to the school kids. In spite of the fact O'Bomber has not the slightest authority to Order any school district to do a damned thing, O'Bomber has prepared a pre-speech agenda for teachers.

In that agenda is a question which is presumptive in the extreme.."How will he inspire us?" You see, the Prez O'Bomber makes the assumption the kids are going to be "Inspired" by his speech..how could they not be is the assumption.

In that agenda is an attempt to induct young students into his cult of personality by requiring these young students to write letters...the subject of which is...How can I help O'Bomber? Further, teachers are to hold students accountable as to how well they perform that task.

There should be a letter writing campaign all across America. The subject, O'Bomber.

"Dear Mr. President,

You're a sick, sick, sick man. Yes You Are!..Yes You Are!, Yes You Are!.

Please get yourself some psychological help.

Wednesday, September 02, 2009
Abusing School Kids With Pro-Obama
Propaganda
by Michael Medved

My wife Diane seldom gets upset about politics. But President Barack Obama’s recent demonstration of megalomania in insisting on beginning the school year by simultaneously addressing all public school kids in the United States elicited a concise response: “it’s sick.”

In addition to her Ph.D. in psychology, Diane holds an M.A. in Education, and both primary and secondary teaching credentials in California. She has raised and educated our three kids, each of whom received some combination of home schooling, parochial education, and public schools. What bothers her (and many courageous teachers across the country) is the crude attempt by the Department of Education and the White House to blur all distinctions between education and cult-of-personality propaganda.

On September 8th (the first day of classes for many school kids) the President will address them live about the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning, declares an announcement from Washington. The Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, sent a directive to teachers and administrators declaring: “This is the first time an American president has spoken directly to the nation’s school children about persisting and succeeding in school. We encourage you to use this historic moment to help your students get focused and begin the school year strong. I encourage you, your teachers, and students to join me in watching the President deliver this address on Tuesday, September 8, 2009.”

To prepare for this great event, the Department of Education orders teachers in Grades 7 to 12 to ask their students: Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us? After the great event, the department suggests that teachers of younger students (Pre-Kindergarten to Grade 6) should instruct their students to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These should be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.

For those who consider this an appropriate use of classroom time at the very beginning of the school year, ask yourself the question: how would you respond had President Bush ordered teachers to get students to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president?

Public opinion surveys show a precipitous decline in the presidents approval rating, with a majority of likely voters (according to Rasmussen) now disapproving of Barack Obama’s leadership. Imagine the reaction of one of these anti-Obama parents to a first grader who comes home proudly announcing that our whole class made promises about helping President Obama.

If the purpose in the Presidents speech involves inspiration of African-American youngsters who otherwise might feel discouraged by their prospects in school, why not allow the First Lady to give the address in place of her husband? Michelle Obama (like most Presidential wives) has functioned as a non-political, non-partisan national symbol and she actually grew up in an African-American home on the South Side of Chicago not raised, as her husband was, by a white mother Ph.D. in Indonesia, and by a white grandmother bank vice president in Hawaii.

And if the purpose is encouragement for educational excellence, rather than political promotion of the President and his agenda, why not give some additional time to Republican National Chairman Michael Steele, whose black single mother worked by cleaning homes and taking in laundry, not as an anthropological researcher?

A number of teachers have reacted with appropriate indignation to the misuse of public resources and precious school time to encourage the cult of Obama worship. Carole (not her real name), a gutsy middle school teacher in the Midwest, discussed the upcoming speech on my radio show on Monday. Teachers from four different states called in to say that they would follow her example and refuse to devote class hours to watching and discussing the presidential address.

Challenges from parents and taxpayers everywhere could force a change in White House plans. The idea of using government schools to force students to bond with the maximum leader might seem appropriate for Cuba or North Korea, but it’s clearly out of place in a Constitutional republic.
http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2009/09/02/abusing_school_kids_with_pro-obama_propaganda

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posted September 02, 2009 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I double dare you to write that letter.

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gimme a break. i thought he was dying of swine flu the way you wrote this.

a pro eduactaion speech?

that is a good thing.

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why is the president any less qualified than his wife? because she is "actually black" and comes from a traditionally "disabled by race" home?

perhaps as a white man you don't understand that it is not your upbringing but your face that labels you "black" in this and many other countries. there are people with more black blood than obama who LOOK white and therefore have suffered none of the discrimination allotted to the darkies!

you - or your quote - show up the unconscious racism that is endemic in this society.

nonetheless i will be asking at my grandson's school and maybe even attending the transmission IF they play it. the "promises to help the president" does sound a little scary.

i don't think there is anything wrong with him addressing the kids about the importance of education. however i think the little ones have more than enough "motivation" as it is right now. public school sucks,

but i am MUCH more worried about the "state of emergency" that has been declared in so many states - including florida, jwhop - regarding this ridiculous flu and vaccination plans.

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re-thinking my stance -
your right jwhops. this is one dangerous man.

Parents rebel against Obama TV speech to schools
'President doesn't get to speak to my children unchallenged'

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Posted: September 01, 2009
10:17 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Parents across the country are rebelling against plans by President Barack Obama to speak directly to their children through the classrooms of the nation's public schools without their presence, participation and approval.

The plans announced by Obama also have been cited as raising the specter of the Civilian National Security Force, to which he's referred several times since his election campaign began, but never fully explained.

"He's recruiting his civilian army. His 'Hitler' youth brigade," wrote one participant in a forum at Free Republic.

"I am not going to compare President Obama to Hitler. We'll leave that to others and you can form your own opinions about them and their analogies. … However, we can learn a lot from the spread of propaganda in Europe that led to Hitler's power. A key ingredient in that spread of propaganda was through the youth," wrote a blogger at the AmericanElephant.com blog, where the subject of the day was a national "Keep-Your-Child-at-Home-Day."

"Totalitarian regimes around the world have sought to spread their propaganda and entrench their power by brainwashing the children. I guess it's easier to indoctrinate a six-year-old instead of fighting a 26-year-old or being challenged by a 46-year-old in the voting booth," the blogger wrote.

(Story continues below)


At issue was an announcement that Obama plans to deliver a message directly to students via the Internet into public school classrooms across the nation on Sept. 8.

According to announcement posted on ServiceWire.org, Obama will address students "about the importance of persisting and succeeding in school" at 1 p.m. Eastern at the WhiteHouse.gov website.

The announcement said the federal Department of Education "is encouraging educators, students and parents to use this opportunity to help students get focused and begin the school year strong."

The government also is publicizing a list of suggestions for students and teachers to do in preparation for the speech, including studying Barack Obama's writings and presidency.

Obama had announced the speech during a child reporter's visiting the White House.

During the interview, Obama said, "On September 8, when young people around the country are … will have just started or are about to go back to school, I'm going to be making a big speech to young people all across the country…"

But opposition is assembling quickly, similar to the concerns expressed on the AmericanElephant blog:

"Now the former community organizer and current president of the United States is making an unprecedented speech to the school children of our nation. I'd like to believe his motives were pure and politics didn't play into this. But viewing this administration's track record doesn’t afford such benefit of the doubt.

"When the president browbeats property owners who want to protect their legal rights… when the president admits he doesn't know the facts but impugns the integrity of a police force… when the president calls me a liar for reporting what is actually in the health care bills and encourages my neighbors to report me to some enemies list… when the president apologizes to nations around the world and bows to a Saudi king… he loses the benefit of the doubt," the blogger wrote.

"Without benefit of the doubt, the president doesn't get to speak to my children unchallenged," the writer said.

The education department's suggestions include building background knowledge for students about Obama, and then asking, "What do you think he'll say to you?"

During the speech, students should be instructed to "think about the following: What is the president trying to tell me? What is the president asking me to do?"

Another exercise would be to have students write letters to themselves about "what they can do to help the president."

"These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals," the recommendations suggest.

At the Docstoc website where the announcement about the speech was drawing negative reaction, one forum participant confirmed that his grandchildren would not be in school that day.

"What's he going to do, tell the kids to report their parents to the Thought Police if they don't support Obamacare?" added another.

"I don't care what the heck he's going to talk about, unless he holds a teaching degree for every state, and he plans on actually TEACHING a lesson, this SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!!!" added another.

Obama earned some support for his plan, though.

"First of all, there is no reason to believe that Obama is going to try and brainwash your kid (I think you've done that just fine on your own), he'll talk about how important it is to do well in school and work hard and whatnot... Kids are smarter than you think and are plenty capable of critical thinking," wrote one supporter of the president.

But it was a lone voice.

"Let the brain washing begin. Yes, it is a bit of a stretch. But I remember from history class that some other very prominent figures in history started out like this, all about education and change for the better. Capture the hearts and minds and all that. You can call it what you will but Obama Youth or Hitler Youth … This is much too slippery a slope, this day and age with the role of government becoming more invasive the last thing I want is for 'them' to get a tooth into my kids," wrote a contributor.

On columnist Michelle Malkin's forum page, one person wrote simply, "The Obama Youth Corps has to start somewhere."

On the DailyPaul website publicizing U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, another parent wrote, "Perhaps its harmless, but Obama's past behavior and his push for 'service' and community over individuals make me very uncomfortable…

"My kids will be forced to listen to the views of a president that is perhaps the most anti-American in history, not to mention one who believes we need a 'civilian national security force just as strong, powerful and well-funded as our military.'"

WND has reported on Obama's civilian force plans several times, including when he signed into law the "Give Act," H.R. 1388, which massively expanded the National Service Corporation and allocated to it billions of dollars.

Obama had told a campaign stop in Colorado Springs last year he wants a "Civilian National Security Force" as big and as well-funded as the U.S. military.


As the presidential campaign advanced last year, another video appeared that for many crystallized their concerns over such a "corps." It shows a squad of young men marching and shouting praises to Obama.

Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, used his daily column first to raise the issue of a "national civilian force" and then to elevate it with a call to all reporters to start asking questions.

"If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal?" Farah wrote. "I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?

"Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that? If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?" Farah wrote.


Duane Lester, writing at All American Blogger, has verbalized opponents' worst fears.

"Hitler knew that if you control the youth, you control the future. I wrote about him in 'The Threats to Homeschooling: From Hitler to the NEA.' As I noted in that article, Hitler said: 'The Youth of today is ever the people of tomorrow. For this reason we have set before ourselves the task of innoculating our youth with the spirit of this community of the people at a very early age, at an age when human beings are still unperverted and therefore unspoiled,'" he wrote.

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posted September 02, 2009 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be gullible cpn (or anyone else).
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/51386d.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-urges-youngsters-to-help-friends-on-drugs.ht ml
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/02/Republica n-indoctrinate-socialist-pants-fire/
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/02/republican-party-florida/republican-party-florida-says-obama-will-indoctrin/

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i am gullible and i flipping hate it. i get something from republicans, and i think, oh my god...terrible...
i get something from democrats and i think....jesus, you are right...

libra mars sucks. if i was a aries mars i would be one bad mutha trucker!

but ag...what if....just what if...he's right?

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jwhops - why is it ok for bush to do it, but not obama?

answer me that.

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posted September 02, 2009 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a lot that can go wrong in a presidency, and it usually happens in the transition into the job. Every President is idealistic about what they can accomplish at first, and they all make mistakes in their first years in office.

Of course there's potential for failure with ANY President, but we haven't lost the Union yet.

What if Jwhop's right? I wouldn't worry about that. Regardless of his history of getting things wrong, it's not really him that's saying any of this stuff. He's merely agreeing with it and passing it on. Republicans lost the Presidency as well as the Senate. They're trying to score points. Everything that Obama does will be spun into some evil plot somehow. That's just the way it goes. That's why everything lately looks like a huge conspiracy theory, because until Obama actually does something really messed up they're going to have to invent stuff to get people outraged.

Kat's probably right, though. As long as the political parties have the people fighting amongst themselves, they won't really have to concern themselves with what the people want. As long as there are two strong sides any politician can justify their position by alligning themselves with the half of the country that agrees with their perspective. In a way that saves the country from making too many rash moves, but things weren't always this partisan, and the partisanship doesn't serve much purpose to the people.

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posted September 02, 2009 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Take your racism and stuff it up your butt katatonic.

You're the one interjecting "race" into this thread. There's not one word about ethnicity, race, gender or any other separator of people..or there wasn't until you decided to attempt playing the race card here.

Just for informational purposes...Bush was not delivering a speech to school children. Bush was reading a book to them; a book on their own grade level. There was nothing controversial about the book and Bush was not attempting to propagandize the class. Bush was not attempting to enlist school children to carry his water for his programs.

O'Bomber is a slug Socialist with multiple personality disorders.

O'Bomber is a sick, sick, sick man. Yes He Is! Yes He Is! Yes He Is.


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posted September 02, 2009 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
acoustic, if being wrong were a criminal offense, you'd be doing life without parole.

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posted September 02, 2009 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You obviously didn't look at the links.

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posted September 02, 2009 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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On September 8th (the first day of classes for many school kids) the President will address them live about the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning, declares an announcement from Washington.
Good God, this is positively subversive!!! Socialist brainwashing at its most dangerous!!!

Quotes from "Bush Speaks to Schoolkids" article in AG's link:

President Bush pleaded with young people around the nation today to stop using drugs and ''not to look the other way'' when others do.
Selton Shaw, who watched the President's speech with his classmates at Stevens Elementary School, said many youngsters in his own neighborhood, many as young as 7, were drug users.
In schools around the nation, students voiced doubt, indifference, cynicism and some interest after the speech.
At least 15,000 superintendents and 55,000 principals were notified by the Education Department of the speech today, and many schools held assemblies or brought television sets into classrooms so students could watch Mr. Bush.

[this is just getting sicker and sicker.....]
But around the nation, in Teaneck, N.J.; Boston; West Hartford, Conn., and Atlanta, in predominantly middle-class schools as well as those in poorer urban areas, the speech stirred a mixture of interest and applause for Mr. Bush's commitment to fighting drugs along with a measure of skepticism about what the President's words would ultimately achieve.
At Teaneck High School, six students in Stanley Zak's advanced television-production class taped the President's speech for future use by other Teaneck schools. All said they wholeheartedly supported the President's speech, but they seemed uneasy and uncertain about carrying out his appeal to help those on drugs.

These kids actually listened to President Bush's message, and USED THEIR OWN BRAINS to decide how they felt about it!! Say it ain't so -- kids are so much more gullible and malleable these days, aren't they?? They should be protected from the heinous words of our country's president, by God!!

quote:
"He's recruiting his civilian army. His 'Hitler' youth brigade," wrote one participant in a forum at Free Republic.
"My kids will be forced to listen to the views of a president that is perhaps the most anti-American in history"
Un-flippin-believable

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i guess you really didn't read it through jwhop, and if you don't like the word take it out of your implications. you call me names anytime you like, remember??

"If the purpose in the Presidents speech involves inspiration of African-American youngsters who otherwise might feel discouraged by their prospects in school, why not allow the First Lady to give the address in place of her husband? Michelle Obama (like most Presidential wives) has functioned as a non-political, non-partisan national symbol and she actually grew up in an African-American home on the South Side of Chicago not raised, as her husband was, by a white mother Ph.D. in Indonesia, and by a white grandmother bank vice president in Hawaii. "

in other words if you're raised by white people and get an education you can't be "REAL coloured".

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the purpose of the speech might just be to encourage ALL kids, since he is not selecting black-heavy schools, but all schools. it COULD be completely innocent.

nonetheless i shall be checking it out since i believe public schools do enough brainwashing as it is.

but tell me, when kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" was THAT brainwashing?

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"The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power," he added.

this is the fabrication of a florida republican jumping to conclusions, a favourite pastime from what i have seen!

parents have every right to insist this be broadcast during family time on tv rather than while many of them will be working.

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So, O'Bomber and brain dead leftist entertainer types have already started spreading O'Bomber propaganda to school children.

Parents are plenty pi$$ed they weren't notified in advance.

Notice the old style Communist heroic art work in the video.

Even teachers and administrators say it was a mistake to show such a blatant political video.

One of the brain dead even pledges..to be of service to O'Bomber.

O'Bomber is exactly what I've said he is all along.

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video
Education » Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.
By Lisa Schencker
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 09/02/2009 10:07:30 AM MDT


A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."

Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.

Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks,

smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.

"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "

Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.

"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday

Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama,"***[i]This certainly sounds familar**[/i "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."

Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.

"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."

Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.

Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011

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posted September 02, 2009 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Way to go off topic. We went from, "Oh no, Obama's going to address school children," to some principle showed a video with a mostly uncontroversial message.

Maybe something will stick eventually.

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posted September 03, 2009 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, so we're done with this now, Jwhop?

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I'm sorry you're not equipped to understand that propagandizing children as young as 1st grade is immoral, unethical and should be against public policy for any elected official in the United States acoustic.

The video pledge is in the very same category. That of giving children ideas which run counter to what their parents teach them at home as well a attempting to recruit and induct impressionable children into O'Bomber's cult of Marxist Socialist personality.

In Pinellas County where I live and nearby Hillsborough County , parents are being given the option to opt their children out of O'Bomber's propaganda campaign.

Any speech or advance directive which directs kids to think of ways they can "help O'Bomber" is pure propaganda. The video is along the same lines with bogus, so called "Green issues"...and some twit pledging to "Serve O'Bomber".

What leftist tripe and trash. But, I can see how that would appeal to O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers, especially those who think the Constitution grants powers to Presidents to RULE..instead of SERVE.

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well i for one agree to a point with jwhop here. not because of whatever outrage the rightwingers have put forward. not because he should stick to inspiring the poor, disadvantaged black kids and leave us white folk alone, but because propaganda is propaganda. i'm not jumping to conclusions but i think there is reason to take notice.

the reason i say this is that

a)parents SHOULD be notified in advance
b)whatever the message it should be vetted by the school

yesterday i asked my daughter and grandson if they had heard about this planned "appearance" and homework assignment. nothing so far.

but my grandson said "no, but mr mitchell says president obama wants us all to jog with our families and do things together like that"

this is innocuous and actually good advice if you want to strengthen family bonds. but it is NOT his place to tell people how to bond with their families, and certainly not through using his "cool" image to influence 6 year olds. i find it worrying and like i said earlier, i will be checking it out with at least one school and asking permission to see what comes over...

the fact that propaganda has been used on schoolchildren for decades does not make it any more "okay". in my day in grade school we had to say the "pledge" every day. we had "duck and cover" exercises to scare us about nuclear bombs even though ducking and covering served no practical purpose at all. and we had polio vaccinations and tb tests as a matter of course.

as evidenced above obama is not the first president to use this "vehicle" to influence youth. the whole public/mandatory school system is an instrument for training us to be good little conformists. fortunately many do not succumb and when they get a little critical thinking under their belt - the parents' responsibility not just the school's! - it has the opposite effect!

so while i don't like it i don't think it is evidence of obama being particularly evil and definitely not any more so than the presidents listed in AG's links. but i will be keeping my eyes open.

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posted September 03, 2009 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm sorry you're not equipped to understand that propagandizing children as young as 1st grade is immoral, unethical and should be against public policy for any elected official in the United States acoustic.

I'm sorry you don't understand that that video, and Obama's address aren't going to do a damn thing to the kids. It's not going to teach them. It's not going to inspire them. It's going to have precisely no effect. You underestimate kids ability to tune out, and you overestimate that showing such things will greatly impact the children. You're being ridiculous.

And if you think speaking to young children is "propagandizing" them, why weren't you up in arms when Bush was literally AT the schools?

This is stupid. It's nonsense.

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posted September 03, 2009 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahaha

It was just as I said. O'Bomber was attempting to induct students into his Cult of Personality by propagandizing impressionable young kids.

O'Bomber...because of the blowback of outraged parents has backed off.

So, O'Bomber didn't get away with it.

White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama
President Obama's plan to speak to the nation's schoolchildren in a video address next week erupted into controversy as critics claimed he was trying to indoctrinate America's kids.
FOXNews.com
Thursday, September 03, 2009

The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president."

White House aides said the language was supposed to be an inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.

Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

Another assignment for students after hearing the speech was to discuss what "the president wants us to do."

The suggestion about writing letters has since been changed to: "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said the changes to the language are intended to make the lesson plans clearer. He added that the speech is not a policy speech, but is intended to encourage kids to work hard and commit to school.

The speech is "about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate," Vietor said.

The Washington Times was first to report Thursday that the plan was being reconsidered. Presidential aides also acknowledged to the newspaper that they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.

Christina Erland Culver, former deputy assistant secretary for education, said presidents have traditionally addressed classrooms on the first day of school, but the problem with the event was the accompanying materials from the Department of Education.

"That's where they kind of got into a slippery spot. Federal statute denies any authority to the Department of Education to provide any kind of curriculum or anything that can be passed down to the state, and that's part of the statute forming the Department of Education. So they kinda got themselves into this mess because they didn't really understand some of the key legal roles or the dos and don'ts at the federal Department of Ed," she said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/


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"Christina Erland Culver, former deputy assistant secretary for education, said presidents have traditionally addressed classrooms on the first day of school, but the problem with the event was the accompanying materials from the Department of Education"

as i said, he is only the last in a long line of presidents who have done this. and to do him and his people credit, they listened to the objections.

UNLIKE bush who should not have been discussing with kids their "responsibility" to stop friends using drugs - a potentially dangerous pastime even for trained personnel...and what about nancy reagan's famously disastrous and backfiring "just say no" intrusions into people's living rooms?

nice try jwhop.

that little video...so what if a bunch of egotists want to come out in his support? nothing new about that either.

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they actually lit a joint in some schools in michigan (first graders) to ask the kids if they ever smelled it in thier homes and to tell if thier parents did it becasue it was bad and wrong.

milan michigan

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