posted September 07, 2009 11:07 AM            

What I actually said destroys your phony argument that I called Americans who protest their government..unpatriotic or traitors.

You...and everyone else will note there was a further context to what I said.

Further katatonic, what I said is FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

Now katatonic, it would come as no surprise to me that you either don't know what the US Constitution says or don't give a rats ass.

"Real patriots don't badmouth the military or the country or the administration during a time of war. That gives aid and comfort to the enemy as you and your band of fringe radical leftists have already done....some in the Congress of the United States.

Article 111 USC
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Hey katatonic, up yours.

The protesters...at the time this was written were protesting on behalf of International A.N.S.W.E.R....a Communist front organization of the Communist Workers World Party...a Stalinist group which dotes on the brain dead little loony-tunes Dear Leader of North Korea...Kim Jong Il. They were protesting in favor of Saddam Hussein..to keep another little murdering, raping, torturing Socialist dictator in power...this, after the Congress of the United States passed the Joint Resolution authorizing military force to remove Saddam. Marching in the streets was a vote to keep their little Socialist dictator in power in Iraq. Apparently, for these brain dead morons, killing about a million Iraqi citizens wasn't enough. They wanted more Iraqi citizens raped, tortured or murdered.

How about you katatonic?

posted September 07, 2009 12:00 PM              

i have decided i no longer want to be involved in this cauldron of negativity. yes i know i have said this before.

but before i go i would like to point out that the link is available to anyone who cares to read it. i lifted that quote directly from your post and you can deny it all you want but you are doing exactly what you were complaining about "leftists" doing a mere 9 months ago.

in fact you are doing it worse, you are allying yourself with people who don't want that "n*gger" talking to their kids, who shoot people they don't agree with and feel good about it, and who are actively working to BRING DOWN THE ECONOMY JUST TO UNDERMINE THE PRESIDENT. how will THAT help the military?

i intend to get back to working for the positive and NOT BECOME YOU. while i am sure you think you are doing the right thing, it's not my way and i am not going to be sucked in any more.

so save your eloquence ("up yours") for someone else. i called you out and you still deny it even though it's in black and white. you can erase it from back there but you cannot erase the QUOTE which i COPIED AND PASTED from your very own post.

and no i was not out in the streets protesting but peaceful protest/assembly is a right in this country and those people were joined by MILLIONS ACROSS THE WORLD at the time as i recall. the demonstrations were against the war as i remember, not in favour of saddam...what i don't remember is any executions of people who were practicing legal medicine because jerks like o'reilly said they deserved it.

nor have i badmouthed the military. i have merely said that i don't believe in war. that is my prerogative and includes no disrespect for the honourable and courageous men and women who are over there putting their lives on the line for something i think our GOVERNMENT should not have started in the first place. they should have prevented 9/11 and stopped bragging about the fact that no MORE attacks happened on their watch.

nor do i think the obama administration should be prolonging the agony. it is my right to disagree and if you want to shut me up - like you would like to shut up the elected president - that is your problem.

here is the ENTIRE QUOTE once more for you.

"Real patriots don't badmouth the military or the country or the administration during a time of war. That gives aid and comfort to the enemy as you and your band of fringe radical leftists have already done....some in the Congress of the United States.
The terrorists think if they can just hold on and not get blown away by US and coalition military forces, you and the leftist cut and run, surrender artists in the Congress will win the war for them....as they did in Vietnam.

That is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, it is causing more casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan among US military forces and Iraqi civilians.

Leftist demonstrations and rants are seditious at best and mostly cross over into outright treason. I can see why you admire John Traitor Kerry.

Congratulations on your patriotism. It is not America you love when you say you love your country and it never was. If it were, you would love a country which never existed except in your mind.

Real patriots get behind the Administration and Congress when the people have decided by election who is going to represent them and show a united front to enemies of America....whatever they may think privately."

posted September 07, 2009 02:10 PM            

The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.
I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.
I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."
So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.
Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.
I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.
I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.
I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.
But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.
And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.
We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.
Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.
I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.
So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.
But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.
Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.
Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.
That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.
I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.
And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.
Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.
That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.
I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.
That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.
No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.
Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.
And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.
It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.
So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?
Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.

OMG -- that's as subversive as everyone said it would be!!
"I expect great things from each of you."
Shocking!!
Truly the New Hitler beginning his youth recruitment!!
I'll be damned if I let MY kid watch that propaganda!! "Be responsible" the President says, "work hard" he says -- that's just not the American Way!!

posted September 07, 2009 02:25 PM            

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Real patriots get behind the Administration and Congress when the people have decided by election who is going to represent them and show a united front to enemies of America....whatever they may think privately."

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posted September 07, 2009 02:38 PM            

You attempted to make a phony argument katatonic...only one of many from you.

In this incarnation of phony arguments you attempted to equate agitating for a foreign power with whom we were/are at war with people showing up at town hall meetings to protest O'BomberCare, his totally out of control spending, his brain dead economic policy...which isn't working, Kash for Klunkers...which forces Americans to help purchase a new car for their neighbors and fellow citizens and a host of other bullshiiiit coming out of the O'Bomber Administration and his Socialist demoscat Congress.

Yep katatonic, I said what I said...and I meant to say exactly what I did say.

I have no problem with people protesting their government...in the streets or otherwise...provided they don't cross the line into treason by giving aid and comfort to enemies...which is the Constitutional definition of TREASON.

posted September 07, 2009 02:44 PM            

Perhaps a reread of what I said and the context within which it was said would be beneficial...to you.

posted September 07, 2009 03:02 PM            

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but in reality, there's nothing positive whatsoever in O'Bomber attempting to remake the United States into the spitting image of a Socialist gulag.

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posted September 07, 2009 03:10 PM            

the truth is whatever people can be made to believe. It's you who believes words have no fixed meanings and can mean whatever you want them to mean. It's you who believes Congress and the President were elected TO RULE It's you who said "Capricorns don't lie", it's you who said America and US citizens oppressed Iraqi citizens...by not packagaing up a water treatment plant and shipping it to Iraq...while Saddam was in power there.

posted September 07, 2009 05:39 PM            

You really are a confused puppy aren't you acoustic. You believe...or say people agree with you...and that somehow makes you "right".

You ever remember ever reading this acoustic?:...And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

I remember reading of a time on earth when most people in the entire world believed the earth was flat. Later, most people believed the sun..our sun is the center of the universe and every thing else orbited our sun.

Some of the loony-tunes nonsense I read from leftists approach the flat earth theory.

So much for what "most" people believe or agree with acoustic.

posted September 07, 2009 08:01 PM            

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You really are a confused puppy aren't you acoustic. You believe...or say people agree with you...and that somehow makes you "right".

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No, quite wrong. I believe that if people feel compelled to correct you ALL THE TIME, then chances are, you've got it wrong. People aren't falling all over themselves trying to set me straight, nor have they ever been (doesn't mean they agree with me, but that my position is reasonable). You, on the other hand....

posted September 08, 2009 12:31 AM            

Your fantasy land bubble world of unreality doesn't cut any ice with me.

I've said before...and I'll repeat it for your benefit since you obviously didn't understand it the first time.

I don't know if O'Bomber is a natural born citizen of the United States...or not. He's been most secretive about his long form birth certificate, his school records including his university admissions applications, his grade transcripts, his passport records and his medical records.

posted September 08, 2009 01:17 AM            

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I can only be corrected with facts and it's facts you never have.

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No. Facts are something you NEVER have. I can always substantiate my points.

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I don't know if O'Bomber is a natural born citizen of the United States...or not.

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posted September 08, 2009 10:16 AM            

Instead, a series of procedural arguments has prevented this issue from ever going to trial.

The most common reason for "dismissal" has been the legal standing of the plaintiff(s) to bring this issue to court.

Some of these brain dead judges have said American citizens have no legal standing to sue for violations of the US Constitution.

posted September 08, 2009 03:14 PM            

Someone has compiled all the information regarding this issue. There's even court action today.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/

posted September 08, 2009 05:27 PM            

With the Bush speech to school children there was nothing to cause the slightest controversy.

With O'Bomber, there was the lesson plan forced on schools to instruct kids on "How to Help O'Bomber" and "How will O'Bomber inspire you".

Parent action forced the revision of the lesson plan O'Bomber's political appointees in the White House and Dept of Education had prepared.

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

posted September 08, 2009 05:43 PM            

Point 2 acoustic
I'm not the least interested in what a propaganda site has to say about O'Bomber's citizenship status.

Point 3 acoustic
No Court of Law has heard the case or cases filed to force O'Bomber to release his long form birth certificate. Instead, O'Bomber's lawyers have used procedural grounds to get the cases dismissed.

The issue remains unresolved but there is legislation brewing in Congress for legislation forcing future candidates for President to prove they are natural born citizens of the United States...starting in 2012. So, maybe that's when we'll get a peek at O'Bomber's long form vault copy of his birth certificate. I sure hope no one has perjured themselves with false affidavits.

Further, there is some talk about a Senator or Congressman filing suit to force the issue of O'Bomber's citizenship into federal court.

I don't know where any of this is going but O'Bomber has spent most of a million dollars obstructing the production of his long form vault copy of his birth certificate.

posted September 08, 2009 06:54 PM            

Point 2 jwhop
If you wish to prove that that site is some sort of propaganda site putting out false information, tackle it. It's always a safe bet that you'll lose.

I hope the Senate legislation does pass. I'm certain you'll end up back here again claiming once again that he's not a natural born citizen even when he passes that litmus test again. I hope your Senator or Congressman comes through as well.

Essentially, I hope that there will come a day when this is emphatically proved once and for all. It's fun seeing you chase a conspiracy and all, but it becomes more fun the further you sink in the all the factual evidence.

posted September 08, 2009 07:21 PM            

Wake up and smell the spray paint.

When the United States Supreme Court decided that G.W.Bush won the election in 2000- with a decision that the court also disallowed 'the ruling' were ever to be used as 'precedent.' As in we are ruling on this now, and in this way, but never shall our ruling be used as precedent in any other case.

They effectively decided the president.

Birthers have to accept, that the court[s] have ruled Obama is a citizen, and President, accept and move on.

posted September 08, 2009 09:03 PM            

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 08, 2009 09:18 PM            

As a parent, I want Pres. Obama to write himself a letter along the same lines and turn it in to US so we can hold him accountable to himself, at least. I can't recall all the broken campaign promises at this point. In fact, I think all future presidents should have to do the same. Then we'd actually be helping our children see past all the election BS to the reality that not one of those suits is ever going to save us, not even if they could.

posted September 08, 2009 10:34 PM            

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The government doesn't care about children or education.

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