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Topic: Do You Judge The Nazis?
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wheels of cheese
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posted September 08, 2009 11:31 AM
 
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I think you are all committing some of the most disturbing crimes I have ever seen, and I still love and forgive you.
Thanks, I'm stoked. I must have missed your ordination Reverend Patronising. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 08, 2009 11:58 AM
To speak for those who have no voice... To defend the rights of those who cannot defend themselves... To spread the truth, no matter how unpopular or unsettling to convention... What could be a better definition of the behavior of a wise and evolved soul? well, for starters, to model not preach...to realize that every time you correct a wrong you may create a new one...and to understand that every creature and situation has its place, admitting that one mind may not be able to figure it all out...? and to answer my question - why do we have canine teeth?
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Valus
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posted September 08, 2009 12:11 PM
wheels, I'm entitled to my point of view. It doesnt make me a self-ordained anything, just because I have a point of view and express it. It frustrates me that you can only see bad things in my words and motives. I believe in what I'm doing, and so do many people who I deeply admire; from DaVinci to Tolstoy to Gandhi. I'm sorry you disagree, and I'm sorry you feel the need to keep turning this into a personal attack on me. I mean it when I say that I can see people committing horriffic crimes, and still see the innocence in them and love them. If you can only see self-righteousness, and no beauty, in that statement, I feel sorry for you. I really do. I hope that someday you can see what it is that I was trying to do here, and you can admire and love me for it. As you should. I am fighting a very good fight. I'm sorry you disagree with me, and I'm sorry your posts keep getting nastier towards me. I'm sorry you think I am insane for trying to defend innocent lives. Hope we can still be friends. Take care of yourself. ~ S
kat,
I'll answer the canine teeth question,
if you can tell me why we have empathy,
why we do not have claws, and why the
smell of blood doesnt make us hungry.
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Lyra
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posted September 08, 2009 03:02 PM
I'd say, "You're a bunch of meathead thugs - and don't you dare to touch me, otherwise I will strike you with a lightning bolt out of thin air and paralyze you instantly. Get behind me, Satanists, down the hellhole from whence you came. You are not representative of the TRUE, cultured Germany of Bach, Beethoven etc...the rural, gentle, pastoral Germany of poets and musicians with romantic castles and cobblestoned towns. You're just a bunch of brush-cut, psychopathic Prussians who unfortunately indoctrinated the modern Germany with this irritating sense of order, clicking of heels and robotic obeying of commands. May you get what you deserve!!"
(As they judge, so are they judged. And the measure they give is the measure they get. Good always wins out in the end.)IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 08, 2009 04:02 PM
tried that on members of the british nazi party - er, sorry NATIONAL party - lyra?
it's true, good always wins...in the end. and usually evil is destroyed from within its ranks. but saying that to one of the national front might get your head crushed before you even finished...martyrs are effective, but is that your intention?IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 08, 2009 04:32 PM
I don't think you believe half the stuff you write, Valus.
I don't think you encourage debate, because you rabble rouse.
Sometimes I really admire the stuff you write, because it's interesting. That's when you're not going around trying to shove your so-called truth down anyone's throat in such a heavy-handed way.
But then you go and do THIS and it just makes you sound like someone who is apathetic and very privileged, and yet occasionally guilty thoughts for being white and privileged. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Just sayin'. We're all entitled to our opinions, as you've pointed out.
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Xodian
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posted September 08, 2009 04:46 PM
Guys... Watch yourselves; No race based accusitions allowed on this particular forum.IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 08, 2009 05:04 PM
so its ok to equate animals with persons of jewish descent, but not ok to say it sounds like something someone who is white and priveledged would say. this whole thread is glaringly biased.can we not compare human suffering.... as in the most horrific slaughter of a race in history .....to slaughtering animals for food....seroiusly? people living on the streets would be dam glad for a hot dog or even the bun..someone who has never known hunger or real suffering IS priveledged. and ought to be dammed glad they are that fortunate. IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 08, 2009 05:05 PM
this thread is offensive.IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 08, 2009 05:08 PM
so, my answer to this question is f-yes, i judge the nazi regime, if i had jwhops gun and a magic wand i would blow that part of evil history straight to hell. but i dam sure wouldn't compare it to people who eat meat are like hitler. ok. that is more than a stretch. i tried bumping other threads up here to not have to see this, but to no avail. carry on. and i never wanted to get mad again here and not with valus for sure , but this is over the line.IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted September 08, 2009 05:17 PM
Cpn, I know how you feel and I can surely relate; Trust me on this one. I am just waiting for Randall's approval to have these threads shifted into Global Unity where the rules are lax and people don't have to hold back.White IMO can constitute as a slur for any caucasian person and there have been quite a lot of vocal members against Mr. Valus' views who are Caucasian. Its true that Mr. Valus really doesn't knows what it is like to live independently (from what I know of his basic background anyway) but I personally don't want a whole race of people being judged for Valus' folly. IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted September 08, 2009 05:50 PM
Moving thread to GU.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 08, 2009 05:56 PM
MVM i hear you but i want to point out that many of the greatest innovations and moves toward a freer, more humane and equal world came exactly from the overprivileged classes, ie the people who had the time, money and connections to make it happen.whether those changes were welcomed by the needy or not! some were, some weren't. certainly the founding fathers of this country were upperclass brits (if not twits). also much of the great art and science of the world comes from the privileged classes. another reason why i would hesitate to say no one can determine what is "enough" or "too much" when it comes to money as in THOSE threads... however i think walking up to a nazi and giving them a piece of your mind would mainly be counterproductive, ie, one more dead person on the list... and i don't think the nazis just "happened" to germany. they were representative of the zeitgeist of the time and allowed to happen not by lack of lecturing but by lack of critical thinking. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 08, 2009 05:57 PM
How odd is it that calling someone white is toeing the line, and yet all this stuff about Nazis and Jews and demonizing meat-eaters is allowed? Because it's not a race? It's still a group of people, period. That doesn't make any sense.
I'm just calling it as I see it. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 08, 2009 06:01 PM
Yeah, katatonic, I'm not saying white people are evil lol
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Xodian
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posted September 08, 2009 06:03 PM
Now you guys can let yourself go. No more censoring Lol!IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 08, 2009 06:19 PM
if white is a slur, is black too?I am just curious there are lot of Blacks,African Americans who don't really view the term,Black as a slur. Many use Black and African American interchangeably. When I was growing up, the term, There is also the term Afro-American. Black was used. I am part Black. There are lot of Caucasians who don't really view White as a slur. I actually thought many use White and Caucasian interchangeably. also there are mixed opinions about the term,mulatto. I guess it really depends on the individual in how they want to be referred to as. I don't care if I am referred to as black and white. I don't care if I am referred to as Caucasian and African American. I don't care if I am referred to as a mulatto. I don't care if I am referred to as biracial nor multiracial. I tend to use the term, multiracial the most. Just don't call me a nigger nor nigga,and I will be fine. I don't like the word,Negro. My mom didn't like that word either. I don't use those words. I don't go around using the word, cracker either. I don't like being referred to as Black nor African American because that's not all that I am and it denies the heritage on my mom's side. Like President Obama, I joked around about my being a mutt. However,I would never refer to anybody else as mutts.
Raymond
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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
pire
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posted September 08, 2009 06:34 PM
valus, i wish you would see the good in wheels argument; i can not speak for her, but i believe that i know what she means, and it's to protect you; we all need protection by people who love us sometimes, and protection can come in disguise.
man, nobody's perfect, and even if you come close to it, the second you realise it's gone, so... why not being imperfect by taking your power in your hands? Here, read me right, i dont tell you: why not go and preach, im saying go and take power! idk how, get rich, create a foundation, do all the good you can, not just for animals, humans too; i know how good you are, dont ask me why, it's an aquarius prerogative  we know! go and do, you'll have more immediate results, if you manage to accept imperfections and some failure, cause not everything is always perfect. 
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MyVirgoMask
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posted September 08, 2009 06:36 PM
Yeah, Glaucus, the word Negro is pretty archaic anyway in its insult. It's like the equivalent of someone using the term 'Chinaman' about someone Asian. Per 'white'.... hmm. Well, my question is, are there or are there not groups of people who are white and privileged? Because there certainly are.
There are those who are oblivious of being so, and unaware of how fortunate they are. And there are most certainly those who feel it appropriate and 'PC' to band after a cause, because it feels good and noble to do. Some people genuinely care, while others feel they 'should' care, and there is a distinct difference (that being genuine compassion, or at least the ability to relate a little on some level).
Certainly one is not automatically bad or good for being privileged and white.
It's what you do with yourself and your own life which matters first and foremost. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 08, 2009 07:08 PM
yep....I get youbut negro is actually Spanish and Portuguese word for black. niger is the Latin word for black. I looked that up.
Raymond
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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 08, 2009 07:40 PM
mvm, i don't care about white, though when my girl was small we used the words pink and brown because they were more descriptive. i am white and nowt i can do about it except prove it's not a drawback by my actions...just wanted to put in my two cents that it seems fashionable these days to resent people because they have more than enough money...a lot of those people have been the movers and shakers for good in this world and you just reminded me of valus too much money thread... ironic, because to a lot of people valus has what they would consider too much money. so really i agree with your basic statement. i rather call a spade a spade, and i don't mean a black man! difficult these days, but why pussyfoot around descriptive terms? IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted September 08, 2009 07:45 PM
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
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posted September 09, 2009 04:09 AM
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Do you judge the Nazis?
Brilliant point, Valus.   IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted September 09, 2009 05:06 AM
Thanks Pire, I couldn't have stated my intentions more clearly than you just did. It's NOT the message (vegetarianism/veganism)or the messenger (Valus) I am arguing about, it's the MODE of the message. This "I have done it so should you". Sorry, but people are adult enough to make their own decisions and no amount of pictures of dead cows will change it. Valus, I've been a smoker for 10 years and I try to kick it continually. My biggest attempt lasted two years. I know smoking will kill me, but the crazy pictures of people with tumours coming out of their neck on the tobacco pouch aren't helping me. Nagging doesn't help me. People who mean well coming and ripping lit cigarettes out of my mouth don't help me. I know they should work but they don't. The only person that helps me is me. My decision. Any attempts to force me by manipulation and treating me like a child to be pitied and patronised don't help me. Sun conjunct Uranus, perhaps it's just me, but many many smokers will tell you the same thing. Smokers who have quit for 30 years because THEY WANTED TO. There is a parallel here to the veganism thing if you'll bear with me. I believe you could be more of an advocate to the cause of vegetarianism and veganism if you changed the way you deliver your message Valus. Take it from one who knows, I have had 13 years experience of approaching it the way you did and it didn't work. I've outlined through the cycle example here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000460-5.html of what I mean by changing the message. Read it again, I mean you no harm. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 09, 2009 02:41 PM
i wonder if anyone else wonders what the world would be like today if the nazi regime had not happened? would we be as aware of our own part in such things? would we have had such a brilliant example of the ability of spirit to transcend even such horrific circumstances? would we be as determined not to perpetrate anything like that on people around us?they say when the last of a generation dies off the horrors they witnessed will often be repeated by those too young to remember... IP: Logged |
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