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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 10, 2009 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
This is for ALL Americans...not for just one "Party".

Let's all TRY to remember this as the elections of 2010 are drawing near. And for sure in 2012. Not long ago I read a joke. It said all the politicians running for president are promising change to the American people. We send them billions and billions of tax dollars and they send us the change.

Funny? Not really; there is too much truth in it to be funny.

But that got me to thinking... They all promise change.

A restoration that would take us back in time to a place where things ran better, smoother and life was more enjoyable.

Change? That, in truth, is what they have been giving us all along.


We used to have a strong dollar...

Politicians changed that.


Marriage used to be sacred....

Politicians have changed that.


We used to be respected around the world...

Politicians changed that.


We used to have a strong manufacturing economy...

Politicians changed that.


We used to have lower tax structures...

Politicians changed that.


We used to enjoy more freedoms...

Politicians changed that.

We used to be a large exporter of American made goods...

Politicians changed that.


We used to teach patriotism in schools...

Politicians changed that.


We used to educate children in schools...

Politicians changed that.


We used to enforce LEGAL citizenship...

Politicians changed that.


We used to have affordable food & gas prices...

Politicians changed that, too... and one could go on and on with this list.


What hasn't been changed, politicians are promising to change that as well, if you will elect them.


When, oh when, is America going to sit back with open eyes and look at what we once were and where we have come and say, enough is enough?


The trouble is, America's youthful voters today don't know of the great America that existed forty and fifty years ago. They see the world as if it has always existed, as it is now.

When will we wake up? Tomorrow may be too late. When will America realize... Politicians are what is wrong with America ? This goes for BOTH parties... Republicans and Democrats, there is no difference anymore... they all do only what they can to be re-elected, not what is best for the citizens!


What is needed is for the constitution to be amended to limit all Senators and Representatives to TWO terms in office like the President.


Oh, by the way, no big pension either, social security just like the rest of us. How do they rate bigger and better entitlements than the people THEY WORK FOR... WHICH IS US!


Being a politician shouldn't be a person's life work but rather a call to public service then back to being an honest hard working citizen. Politicians are no more than housekeepers and janitors... unfortunately they act like they own the building.

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Node
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posted September 10, 2009 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Agreed...especially the public service part.

I do have a question tho, how did sacred marriage change? If you prefer the religious ceremony, it is still blessed.?

p.s. I registered Independant, guess that makes me from the party of maybe.

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wheels of cheese
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posted September 10, 2009 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Cpn, I hear you on the points you're making.

Just a couple of questions really, or rather, observations.

I could have listed the same as you listed about Britain in say, 1900. I might also add "Quality of architecture" as that's a particular beef of mine!

How much do you feel that these questions, looked at on a broad timescale, are about the rise and fall of "empires" and that every empire has its day. China's next.

So, if you look at it that way, we look back to the 1950's and say "Wasn't it all wonderful then?" because America was at the peak of its empire. There was lots of money and resources around and happiness, family strength, community values followed from that. Security you might say?

And it will never be that way again. Neither will it for Britain.

So how much is it the fault of politicians rather than it just being the order of things.

Good thread

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 10, 2009 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
node - i am not sure HOW it changed, but 40 years ago the divorce rate was SIGNIFICANTLY lower. maybe it's family values. maybe it is women becoming empowered and no longer willing to endure untenable situations, i really don't know, but,,,it has changed, might as well blame the governemt...everything else is thier fault...

if it is indded empowered women, then it is perfectly fine although family dynamics have suffered making it harder on women who raise thier children alone....catch 20.

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posted September 10, 2009 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
I hear you-

also wheels, and pendulums.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 10, 2009 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
wow wheels, the fall of america....what you said makes sense and yet is so sad to me...

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Glaucus
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posted September 10, 2009 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"So, if you look at it that way, we look back to the 1950's and say "Wasn't it all wonderful then?" because America was at the peak of its empire. There was lots of money and resources around and happiness, family strength, community values followed from that. Security you might say?"

women and racial minorities didn't have much rights in USA. There were interracial relationship bans. Jim Crow laws existed in the South during those days. Fighting for civil rights intensified during the 1950's. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. emerged as a civil rights leader in those days.


Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

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wheels of cheese
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posted September 10, 2009 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
True, the changes since then are good ones Glaucus, although there is still much to do.

It is sad isn't it cpn? It's really rather more obvious here, especially in politics. Nobody listens to lil ole Britain anymore.

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katatonic
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posted September 10, 2009 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
unfortunately change IS, and whether politicians can stop it or not is questionable to me. "back when america was great" would be a lot further than the 50's to me, a time of conformity and suburban development, and believe me the schools weren't much better then! i went to public school thru 4th grade, and then a GREAT secondary school which unfortunately lived by the same rules that girls weren't supposed to have tempers, boys should wear ties, and life was lived in response to a series of bells...it WAS a great school, within the context of the time. people overate because they could, and it wasn't till i was nearly finished with highschool that the civil rights act was passed. that was change that had to happen sooner or later, and i think all change comes under that heading...

people ALWAYS want change. at any given time the bulk of the population wherever they are will be unhappy with SOME things as they are. until we learn to accept reality and enjoy it i'm afraid that will be the case.

and even trying to keep things the way they were/are is asking for change, because it just ain't natural for things to stay the same.

ps in the 50's gas was dirt cheap...unfortunately most cars only got about 8/gal so maybe it wasn't so cheap after all...

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Glaucus
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posted September 10, 2009 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
shrugs

imho I don't think USA was great at anytime before the 1950's. Women didn't have much rights. Blacks and other racial minorities were treated as 2nd class citizens.

My stepfather who was part black was born in 1929,and he certainly didn't think USA was a great country growing up. I don't think that my black creole father born in 1941 in Lousiana thought USA was a great country for him either.

until the mid 1960's, Jim Crow laws were in the south. until 1967, interracial relationship bans.

it was only until 1984, a woman with some black ancestry was crowned Miss America. She was stripped of her title,and another woman with some black ancestry took her place. These were women of mixed black and white ancestry.

it's only until 2008, the first president with some black ancestry has been elected.
He was only one of 4 US senators in American history that have black ancestry. He's mixed black and white.

It really depends on the point of view.

imho USA wasn't no way near a great country before 1950.

I am lucky to be born in 1971. I would hate to have been born in 1929, 1941 like my stepfather and father with the way people of black ancestry were treated back in those days.

even in the 1970's and 1980's, race relations wasn't all that great either.


Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

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katatonic
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posted September 10, 2009 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i understand your point, glaucus. but what is missing is the context...in the 50's pretty much the whole world embraced racism. freedom from discrimination was an idea that had to be cultivated a long time before it actually sprouted laws and roots.

although the civil rights act was in the 60s, many people in the 50s were already mixing it up socially and at work. the law was needed, especially in the south where aparteid was backed up by the law, but also in the north where it was under the counter. that is WHY it came to a head in the 60s, because people were affluent and secure enough to start thinking about bettering the position of their FELLOW man, not just themselves.

but in many ways, further back in history, racism and women's equality were less of an issue. pioneers don't really care what colour or gender their workmates are as long as they contribute. in new york in the mid-19th century irish were considered socially lower than blacks.

until the 60s we always had pioneers, growth was real, not inflationary, and there was a great deal of personal freedom from government...

now we have run out of frontiers, apart from space which is limited to a VERY few people as yet. i think branson is working on that one, and others i'm sure, but we are stuck with the space we've got now. brings things home with a punch (yes, pun intended!)

personally i wish people would stop having so many kids and give us all some breathing space.

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Glaucus
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posted September 10, 2009 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

nods

points taken

I agree

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

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AcousticGod
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posted September 10, 2009 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
To me, there are too many variables. You can't really justify paring the problems down to something simple. And it's as much about perceptions of these things as it is the reality of them (meaning that things seemed better, but were fundamentally different on a lot of levels. It may have felt better --that could have been the perception-- but the factors affecting that perception were different; they weren't necessarily dealing with the issues of modern life).

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Dervish
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posted September 10, 2009 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Youthful voters? Even if everyone eligible to vote did, the boomers outnumber the younger gens by a lot. Don't blame them, especially as many don't bother voting anyway--ironically because in large part they agree that there are no good politicians in either major party, just as this glurge claims. No, it's the older people who have elected the politicians that brought us all this change.

Btw, some of those claims I did not find credible. For example, schools not teaching patriotism anymore, at least speaking of the system as its set up. Heck, I suffered a lot in 1999 because I wrote an essay saying the founding fathers would not be happy with the USA today (as we were required to say the USA is great) and the ONLY bit of anti-American sentiment I recall while a captive to government schooling is the insinuations that the South was the right side of the Civil War that lost (this being Texas).

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