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Topic: What's the BIG DEAL about a ACORN?
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 05:25 PM
Care to back up the statement that the GOP were supporters of ACORN Node?GOP stands for the Grand Old Party...as in..The Republican Party. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 05:29 PM
Yup- google it.IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2009 11:25 PM
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2009 11:30 PM
A few facts about Association of Community Organizations for Reform NowFacts don't mean a whole lot in this folder. If I had the patience of AG [which I don't] I would spend a productive hour with links and quotes that show how much good ACORN has done, and how little both the RW media and the MSM have reported that is fact. It would be a pointless waste of my time. Some people are not interested in fact as Katatonic so astutely pointed out recently. When you want to find the truth in this, and many instances, the paper trail is money. ACORN has piissed allot of the power brokers off. Those who feel their power [money] are endangered have hired guns and lobbyists paid a princely sum to fabricate, misrepresent, and proliferate untruths. Lies. They do this on web pages where the trail leads to the trail of the money. What have they [ACORN] had the temerity to do? Why, try to raise minimum wage for starters. That story last fall about Mickey Mouse registering to vote? That was reported by ACORN. They reported the inconstancies as they are required to do. When the RW media heard about it, the screaming headline failed to mention that ACORN itself was the source of the reporting. Then MSM got hold of it and it became a vampain cry for Paling. Then they tried to tie the ACORN on Obamas tree. Google three words: John McCain ACORN; and you will find pages of text and video where McCain was keynote speaker and said- Acorn [you are] " what makes America Special" Not his first time at the ACORN podium. Nor the GOP's first. Is ACORN pure unadulterated goodness? Free from graft? Of course not. But the way they have been vilified as sooo evil stopped being funny. Now pressure from all of these lies has resulted in lost support, and the IRS has dropped them. I just hope that they hire a team of sharks as dirty as the sharks in the feeding frenzy to sue them, and get the standing, funding, and IRS status back. And as far as leftists keeping mum, I am an independent. And I know that this post is just going to be viewed as props to ACORN, it is not. They have been misrepresented. what the news got wrong the gun for hire
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:37 AM
good hunting, node...why am i not surprised?ps i have ignored the insinuations that i don't want to talk about acorn because "leftists" don't. i am not a leftist either, i don't even really know what that means except people who don't agree with limbaugh, et al...it is used to cover pretty much anyone who is not out for democrat blood as far as i can see... the reason i haven't talked much about it is i don't know much about it. reason enough. other fish to fry...
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4857 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 05:12 PM
Yeah, Republicans make a big deal over ACORN mostly because they're confused. They think ACORN helped Obama win. Obama would have won regardless. The only help the Democratic candidate needed (and this would be true regardless of who won the nomination), was the presence of an unpopular outgoing President from the other party.When talking about the stimulus package a long time ago, Republicans were up in arms that money would be going to ACORN, only it wouldn't have been. Not only was ACORN not in the business described in that part of the bill, but they'd have had to bid for the grant money just like everyone else. Obviously Republicans are looking to frame ACORN, and it's astonishing the power they believe ACORN has. I still haven't checked out the story that started this thread. I've seen headlines that Obama is in agreement with those presently against ACORN. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:58 PM
ACORN is an ongoing criminal enterprise with tentacles running through various agencies of the federal and state governments.So far, the Census Bureau has severed their relationship with ACORN. So far, the IRS has severed their relationship with ACORN. So far, there are more than a dozen ongoing state criminal investigations of ACORN. So far, some states have severed their relationships with ACORN. So far, the Governor of New York is urging a state investigation of ACORN. Oh, but wait; ACORN is just a misunderstood benign umbrella organization of more than 100 related and cross connected charities and non profit corporations...which just happen to pass government grants and donations up and down the organizational lines which are more than blurred between organizations and their heads. Further, these so called charities and not for profit corporations are barred by IRS regulations from supporting or working on behalf of political candidates and/or political issues. ACORN is a demoscat organization and so are ACORN affiliates. ACORN'S tax exempt status should be revoked and taxes levied on all their income YTD and for past years...from whatever source derived...as well as being totally cut off from any further federal taxpayer funding. The statement was made here that the GOP supports ACORN. That's not true. John McCain may have spoken to ACORN and some of McCain's staff may have and Rick Perry may have. But, none of those speak for the Republican Party. The GOP does not support ACORN. The idea the Republican party would endorse the efforts of ACORN which is a demoscat creation which supports demoscat candidates and demoscat issues...is laughable. It's also true ACORN operated as mortgage brokers and wrote home loans for people who had no chance of making the mortgage payments. Those loans were then handed off to Fannie Mae and helped bring Fannie Mae down when they were defaulted upon...with the financial crisis that kicked off.
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 26, 2009 12:07 AM
"It's also true ACORN operated as mortgage brokers and wrote home loans for people who had no chance of making the mortgage payments. Those loans were then handed off to Fannie Mae and helped bring Fannie Mae down when they were defaulted upon...with the financial crisis that kicked off."as in "citibank and acorn" - but no crims in citibank, right? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 08:59 AM
If you believe I'm in any way defending Citibank katatonic, you're way, way, way out in the weeds.Citibank is part of the Federal Reserve System which I would gleefully destroy and whose board of governors and bank presidents I would indict, try, convict and put in prison for the rest of their natural lives...including the current Sec Treasury and former Fed prez of the NY Fed. The House members, Senators and President who voted for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 are gone and out of reach of retribution but the current crop of crooks at the Fed and Fed banks are not. "CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO COIN MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF" IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 09:07 AM
Sunday, September 27, 2009 Why Obama Sycophants Are So Compromised by Kevin McCullough In recent days, a handful of the president's supporters garnered large headlines. Each of them have one thing in common. They are rabid supporters of President Obama, and in many ways reflect his very own tendencies and lack of candor, but with far less grace. They have openly confessed to murder, they have refused to allow independent investigations to look into their odd activities, they have pledged retribution towards those who exposed them, and they have even proudly told a creeped-out nation that they would do it all over again. Unfortunately for the President, they are a precise result of the type of political worldview that swept him into office. Over the last few weeks two courageous young people did the nation a favor by accomplishing something the media establishment, the President, and the people's servants--Congress, would not. Through the simple act of asking questions, these two twenty-somethings produced perhaps the most effective sting operation ever performed against a crooked organization that seeks to rot society at large through its own diseased corruption. As a result, the evidence produced forced both houses of Congress to vote to stop all funding to the group. On the video tapes seen-round-the-world, ACORN workers, literally from sea to shining sea, advised fraud, bragged about murder, and confessed to their own past operations of prostitution agencies. Some of them, including the self proclaimed killer, lauded the current administration as being able to "get things done." But how did the head of this supposedly honorable organization respond? By falsely accusing Fox News of setting the whole thing up, and pledging at first blush to take hard-core legal action against the two-person team that captured the wrongdoing on tape. Then, when questioned directly on Fox News Sunday, the head of ACORN refused to admit that she would take any efforts to allow outside investigators to look into ACORN's vetting and operations practices. Again, all the while singing the President's praises. Of course, this week a video tape turned up from a Burlington New Jersey public elementary school in which the children themselves were the ones singing literal praise and worship tunes to the President. Singing about his "great accomplishments," making the "economy number one again," and replacing the name of the crucified Lord and inserting the name of President Obama were just some of the elements of the tape. Nearly everyone in the nation described the event as creepy and inappropriate, and even liberal trolls on conservative blogs were referring to the tape as "scary." Everyone except the principal of the school where the event took place, that is. Your humble correspondent personally phoned the school within hours of the tape's controversy coming to light this past Thursday morning. The administrator's office told me that they: 1. Would not acknowledge the tape's existence 2. Would not confirm or deny that parents had been notified prior to the "worship" service... 3. Would not confirm if children who felt uncomfortable had been allowed an alternate activity. What the school gladly told me was how they had knowledge of an illegal tape that had been made and distributed of a "private class activity." As if to assume that people did not have a right to know every last jot and tittle of what happens in that school at any given moment. After 24 hours, the school finally acknowledged the tape's existence and did finally express outrage...at those who were complaining or calling the school to voice their opinion. As it turned out, the person who likely made the recording, and was definitely the first person to upload it to the web, was a classmate of President Obama at Harvard, and as it turns out, a friend of the principal of this elementary school--both of whom were ardent supporters of the President. Once the jig was up, the principal finally took questions from parents, whom she is reported to have told that she "had no regrets about how the matter was handled" and would "do it again," exactly the same way. I understand clearly that these types of people are not the average voter who decided late in the game to support President Obama. I know that many independents who initially voted for him regret that vote and stories like this make them cringe even worse at the reality of what their vote did. But these are the types of people who are energized and WORK for this President. He has surrounded himself with these types of people, who have this type of character, for the entirety of his political life. And my best hunch is if these ardent supporters see the President befriend many of our nation's enemies (Chavez, Qaddafi, the U.N.), offer nothing more serious than just more talk of sanctions to radicals bent on our destruction (Iran, North Korea), and curtly side against our friends in significant conflicts of their own (Honduras, Israel, Poland, Czech Republic)... If he is willing to tell the American people one thing to get elected, and then without so much as batting an eye embark on the most radical transformation of America in our history... What's to keep those who sing worship songs to him from thinking they can do the same exact things in their own spheres of influence? It's just how he "gets things done!" http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2009/09/27/why_obama_sycophants_are_so_compromised?page=1 IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 09:38 AM
AP reporting that the Acorn staff member who was duped in the video actually reported the couple to the police. Hmmm.... You mean he didn't do anything wrong? Yup. Won't hear that on faux news though. In recent days, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, the conservative filmmakers who made the widely circulated ACORN videos, as well as Andrew Breitbart and Mike Flynn, who have been promoting the videos for BigGovernment.com, have claimed that the filmmakers were never rebuffed by any of the ACORN offices they visited in their attempts to get ACORN to assist them in improper activities. However, in a newly released video, ACORN Housing Corp.'s Katherine Conway Russell directly rebuts those claims, citing a police report ACORN filed as evidence that she asked the filmmakers to leave the ACORN office in Philadelphia and called the police after the filmmakers asked suspicious questions. James O'Keefe, the man who carried out the notorious sting operation against ACORN, has said repeatedly that his work was "absolutely independent". Not true. In fact, he received funding from a number of conservative donors. His most recent grant, used to make the film, came from PayPal founder and Facebook investor Peter Thiel In their haste and fury to punish ACORN, the Congress has written and passed a law that is legislatively too broad. Many federal contractors with records of wrongdoing will be ineligible for funding the moment President Obama signs this into law. Some ugly unintended consequences are coming for Boeing, IBM, Blackwater etc. The law covers, "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency." I can't wait for Obama to sign the law, see a list of organizations that fit into that definition today. ACORN is small cheese in a right wing vendetta about to boomerang on the hands of Republicans. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 10:40 AM
Why don't you post that video of an ACORN worker throwing the undercover pair out of ACORN offices in Philly Node?ACORN has been in cover up mode since the first video was released...and continues to be in cover up mode. That's the reason the videos were released one at a time...to give ACORN the opportunity to lie on the record...before the release of the next video. Why don't you post a copy of that police report ACORN says was made. I'd like to see the date on that report..to compare that date with the date the video was actually made. ACORN...and apparently YOU would have us believe the ACORN worker threw the pair out of the ACORN office and then immediately picked up the phone and called the police. Are you sure that's the way it actually went down? In any event, I just watched a piece on TV in which the guy...who posed as a pimp said the Philly video is going to be released in the next few days. If anyone is posing here it's ACORN...who are posing as a non-partisan community service group, taking federal funds and campaigning for demoscats and demoscat issues in a most partisan way and against the rules laid down in IRS regulations. This is also the so called community service group which concealed from the government and from the public the embezzlement of about a million dollars by one of it's highest officials. Some of that money was no doubt FEDERAL TAXPAYER FUNDS. In case you don't know Node, embezzlement of any funds from a position of trust IS a felony offense and if the embezzlement was connected to Federal taxpayer funds it's a Federal felony. So far Node, all I've seen from you is a defense of those who counseled the posers to defraud banks by submitting false loan documents, defraud the government of the United States by filing false income tax returns, violating US immigration laws by smuggling foreign nationals into the United States and the unconscionable act of using very young girls as prostitutes. Are you sure these are actions you really want to defend?
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 11:40 AM
funny what people see. what i saw in node's post was a celebration of the fact that not only acorn, but a whole slew of companies, are about to be up for prosecution for their illegal and harmful activities. that is a good thing. of course if you only care to see egg on one party's face, maybe not so good. if you want to see businesses held accountable for profitting at the expense of innocent people's lives and wellbeing, it's ABOUT TIME.IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1148 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 12:51 PM
Kat: Absolutely a celebration! For this to be signed...  Bring it.  My interest in this is simply because the 1% are so darn interested in bringing ACORN down. AG alluded to that earlier, and I agree, what do they think [the 1%] is so threatening about ACORN? That 1% that owns / controls more wealth than the rest of the population combined. 
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 02:53 PM
How nice.You attempt to establish a moral equivalence between ACORN and some unnamed organizations or individuals?.. YOU SAY are shortly due to be investigated. The subject is ACORN and their ongoing criminality. If however, you wish to name other organizations which are also corrupt and or criminal, I'm all ears. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 02:54 PM
if we dug in the closets of any number of companies we would find as bad or worse. so let's get the party started. acorn first perhaps, then blackwater, haliburton, who wants to be next?? citibank? barclays? get in line guys...cleansing coming up!IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 07:59 PM
Are you slinging out general blather and bombast OR do you actually know of coming prosecutions...you know, something to distract, balance and perhaps even excuse the inexcusable ACORN?Or, is this just wishful thinking on your part? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 09:35 PM
so you think exposure of all the bent businesses and organizations out there capitalizing on government funds and connections is a DISTRACTION?i think concentrating on acorn is the distraction. 'tis but a pebble on the beach, beachcomber! and next week the spin doctors will find you a new distraction i am sure.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 27, 2009 11:43 PM
Where's the list of individuals or companies which are said to be on the verge of federal or state prosecutions..for actions similar to ACORN'S?Or, is this just more equivalence blather, a figment of imaginations or wishful thinking? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2009 12:38 PM
i'm not telling jwhop, i've decided you're a spy and will mess up my sting. but i believe a few names have already been thrown into the ring.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2009 02:13 PM
Show me any data that the GOP..Republican Party ever supported ACORN.This is the second time I've asked and it's also the second time you've posted what can only be described as total nonsense. ACORN is a demoscat organization dedicated to the election of demoscats and passage of a leftist demoscat agenda. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2009 02:21 PM
your boat is waiting for a spin in the gulf.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2981 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2009 03:15 PM
As near as I can tell katatonic...you've been "out to sea" for your entire time here.Now, where's that list of individuals or companies...the "slew" which are on the verge of state or federal criminal prosecutions? IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner unregistered
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posted September 28, 2009 03:53 PM
actually jwhops lets sit back and watch. i have a feeling it WILL unravel. not just the couple nuts that fell from the tree so far.Just like the ISP wall street fiasco. total hoax and fraud from day one. the whole trick was to get in ..get rich... get out, before anyone figures out the trumped up numbers. timing is everything, some did well. i jumped in the game too late and lost my ass at the time, BUT...it was just timing,. the facts were the facts and it was trumped up false numbers crap the SEC was letting through. those who jumped in early made thier money. read em and weep. I trust what node says is correct. sit back and watch the corrupt house of cards fall. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6132 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2009 05:40 PM
i've got the list for safekeeping on my pirate ship in sf bay off of treasure island...come see if you dare!pluto is in capricorn...it's ducks-in-a-row time, especially for big business and govt! IP: Logged | |