posted January 10, 2011 04:04 PM            

I can't believe that there is a connection to her comments, as what has been said (and maybe I was watching a more right wing program this morning, not really sure) is that the shooter is a Liberal.

No matter, it's terrible that this man destroyed these innocent lives on his whim. It tears a rip in that community, and the country at large.

posted January 10, 2011 04:15 PM            

BTW I believe katatonic would make a great moderator. She's very level-headed,and she always makes good points.
(Randall, I hope that you read this)

Even though, I am very liberal, I am not a radical. I am not a person who wants to overthrow the government. I don't trust the government overall regardless who is in power. It doesn't matter.

I think the whole political system needs to be overhauled.

oh.....Just because a person reads a book doesn't mean that he/she belong to a certain political party or have a certain ideology.

I have read the Bible numerous times, but I am not a Christian. I read Greek/Roman,Norse,and other mythologies, but I am not a polytheistic pagan.

I would read the Mein Kamph out of curiosity, but that wouldn't make me a Nazi.

I'd read Alinsky out of curiosity and interest in community organizing and activism, that wouldn't make me a communist nor a socialist.

A lot of of Americans would view our metaphysical/astrological beliefs as indicating that we are Satan followers.

I believe that we need stricter gun-control laws. It doesn't mean that nobody can be allowed to buy guns.

This is what I would propose. We would have a law passed that bars anybody with mental health and criminal records to buy firearms.

If anybody violates the law, he/she gets a huge fine. Repeat offenders would get their firearm licences suspended for a good period. Prison time could also be a penalty.
This would include both the seller and buyer. Repeated offender sellers would be banned from selling firearms for life.

I also believe that people who commit violent crimes should have much longer prison sentences. It doesn't matter if they are mentally ill or not.

My mom was shot by a schizophrenic man that broke in our house. I was with her at the time,and it was 3 days before my 3rd birthday. He shot and cut her, and she had to get a blood transfusion which ended up giving her hepatitis B and C. Her hand was messed up. She had an artificial tearduck. She developed PTSD. Of course, I was traumatized. The man was in prison before it happened. He was released even though their were arguments against his release. My mother and I would have been shot dead, but my mom believed that an angel saved us. My mom had the will to survive and save me.

The man was caught trying to catch a bus out of town.

His prison sentence was only 12 years.

I do believe that violent criminals need to have much longer prison sentences. I believe in stricter gun control.

With my being a neurodiversity advocate who is very liberal and metaphysically oriented, I am very sure that my life will be in danger because somebody who doesn't share my views and will try to kill me and may even succeed. The bigger and more famous, Developmental Neurodiversity Association grows, the more my life could be in danger. Not everybody believes that a different mind is a deficient. There are many people that believe that different minds are deficient minds. They learn about my New Age,metaphysical,Astrology interests, they might even think that I am an agent of Satan. They might even look at DNA's logo as some type of bad occult symbol.

It would just takes one crazy ideological nutcase to take me out.

There are lot of them in this country.

Neurodiversity advocates like Ari Ne'eman and Amanda Baggs have already received death threats in the past.

This country has a lot of bigots here.
All you have to do is read the yahoo message boards. I get very bothered with all the hate,bigotry,and prejudice on the boards that even include slurs.

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posted January 10, 2011 11:31 PM            

In fact the only thing mentioned was his anti-semetism and it just so happens that Gabby was/is a Jewish congresswoman.

posted January 11, 2011 12:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Sedona722:
Ya know, this nutjob is simply psychotic and it had no political implications whatsoever related to his killing spree.

In fact the only thing mentioned was his anti-semetism and it just so happens that Gabby was/is a Jewish congresswoman.

I am amazed at the Far Left making this political when in reality it isn't.

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ummmmm

I have been seeing some Right Wing/Conservatives doing the same thing. There is a lot of arguing and pointing fingers by both right wings and left wings on yahoo message boards. I have also been seeing it on other message boards.

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posted January 11, 2011 07:57 AM            

The societal petri dish would benefit from all pundit heads publicly denouncing the use of such rhetoric.

I do not see any knee jerk legislation coming out of this. The gun lobby is far to strong, and gun owners will not see the need either.

For the record I am not anti gun or on a 2nd amendment rant.

Raymond made very good points.

There is no need for any citizen to have automatic weapons or weapons able to hold clips of that size.

Az has some of the weakest gun laws in the nation.
concealed weapons do not need a permit. The shooter was flagged by his university for mental health problems and the military refused his app for drug use, so why did he have a gun? He fell through the cracks.

Killing sprees are common in this country. The Amish School, Virginia Tech and on and on.

For every 100 people there are 90 guns in this country = 270 million guns. 80 people are shot every day, many of those suicide.

posted January 11, 2011 08:30 AM            

How Daniel Hernandez at 20 years of age responded is incredible. He actually ran towards the gun fire, and by applying pressure to the congresswoman's forehead (he did not know of the other wound) probably saved her life. It is hard to imagine how lucky she was, that the shot was a through and through, and she had a brave person with some medical training steps away. Others responded with such bravery.

posted January 12, 2011 10:24 AM            

Speech needs no protection from those who agree with what's being said. It's those who disagree who would attempt to shut others up. People like some here and most certainly leftists in the Congress and leftists in the press...who only want their own 1st Amendment rights observed.

These leftists want their own free speech rights protected but want to shut their political opponents up by reintroducing the so called "Fairness Doctrine" into law.

Then, there's those who are hypocrites. Those who see something dark and evil in Sarah Palin posting a map with what appears to be cross hairs on some states. States she believes could be brought into the Republican camp in the election..(Nov 2nd). Notice, there's no picture of individuals or names. Leftists went nuts...probably because leftists are nuts.

Now, have a look at a map posted by demoscats. A map with "bulls eyes"...and talks about being "Behind Enemy Lines". A bulls eye is an "aiming point", a target. So, where were you katatonic...and acoustic, when demoscats used this map? And, where were all the intellectual pygmies in the press who are now screeching, screaming and shrieking in unison about Palin?

But, there's more. There was another map used by demoscats. A map with bulls eyes AND when the cursor was put on a bulls eye, a picture of the intended victim popped up with their names and what they did to become a target of demoscats in leadership positions.

The hypocrisy is far too thick to be cut with a knife. A diamond bladed saw is needed.

Then, there's the loony-tunes sheriff of Pima County. This guy didn't do his job but he's blaming Palin, Limbaugh, talk radio and Fox News for the murders. This sheriff has known about Loughner for some time. Loughner has had a continuing dialog with the Congresswoman since 2007....before Palin. Loughner has been arrested, has a record and has made threats...AND, this sheriff knew that. Yet, there was no police presence at her gathering of constituents. This leftist activist Sheriff didn't assign a single deputy to the event.

The howling by demoscats and their lapdog press about Palin, Limbaugh, talk radio and Fox News is all about changing the subject for their own political gain. They lost the election in a crushing landslide, their most favorite leftist wet dreams legislation is thoroughly rejected by American voters and their initiatives to "create jobs" and "restore the economy" are colossal failures.

Did they report the statement..and shriek in unison...when a Pennsylvania Congressman opined that the candidate for Governor of Florida should be stood against the wall and shot? Did they howl, screech, whine and shriek when a leftist activist produced a movie about the assassination of the President? Not just a generic American President but..by name, President Bush.

So, when O'Bomber says..."go out and get in people's faces", there's silence from the left.

When O'Bomber says words to the effect..we'll bring a gun to the fight, there's silence from the left.

posted January 12, 2011 11:36 AM            

Please click here to view the video of this statement http://vimeo.com/18698532

Like millions of Americans I learned of the tragic events in Arizona on Saturday, and my heart broke for the innocent victims. No words can fill the hole left by the death of an innocent, but we do mourn for the victims’ families as we express our sympathy.

I agree with the sentiments shared yesterday at the beautiful Catholic mass held in honor of the victims. The mass will hopefully help begin a healing process for the families touched by this tragedy and for our country.

Our exceptional nation, so vibrant with ideas and the passionate exchange and debate of ideas, is a light to the rest of the world. Congresswoman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day, to celebrate our Republic’s core values and peacefully assemble to petition our government. It’s inexcusable and incomprehensible why a single evil man took the lives of peaceful citizens that day.

There is a bittersweet irony that the strength of the American spirit shines brightest in times of tragedy. We saw that in Arizona. We saw the tenacity of those clinging to life, the compassion of those who kept the victims alive, and the heroism of those who overpowered a deranged gunman.

Like many, I’ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for this terrible event.

President Reagan said, “We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not with law-abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their First Amendment rights at campaign rallies, not with those who proudly voted in the last election.

The last election was all about taking responsibility for our country’s future. President Obama and I may not agree on everything, but I know he would join me in affirming the health of our democratic process. Two years ago his party was victorious. Last November, the other party won. In both elections the will of the American people was heard, and the peaceful transition of power proved yet again the enduring strength of our Republic.

Vigorous and spirited public debates during elections are among our most cherished traditions. And after the election, we shake hands and get back to work, and often both sides find common ground back in D.C. and elsewhere. If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

There are those who claim political rhetoric is to blame for the despicable act of this deranged, apparently apolitical criminal. And they claim political debate has somehow gotten more heated just recently. But when was it less heated? Back in those “calm days” when political figures literally settled their differences with dueling pistols? In an ideal world all discourse would be civil and all disagreements cordial. But our Founding Fathers knew they weren’t designing a system for perfect men and women. If men and women were angels, there would be no need for government. Our Founders’ genius was to design a system that helped settle the inevitable conflicts caused by our imperfect passions in civil ways. So, we must condemn violence if our Republic is to endure.

As I said while campaigning for others last March in Arizona during a very heated primary race, “We know violence isn’t the answer. When we ‘take up our arms’, we’re talking about our vote.” Yes, our debates are full of passion, but we settle our political differences respectfully at the ballot box – as we did just two months ago, and as our Republic enables us to do again in the next election, and the next. That’s who we are as Americans and how we were meant to be. Public discourse and debate isn’t a sign of crisis, but of our enduring strength. It is part of why America is exceptional.

No one should be deterred from speaking up and speaking out in peaceful dissent, and we certainly must not be deterred by those who embrace evil and call it good. And we will not be stopped from celebrating the greatness of our country and our foundational freedoms by those who mock its greatness by being intolerant of differing opinion and seeking to muzzle dissent with shrill cries of imagined insults.

Just days before she was shot, Congresswoman Giffords read the First Amendment on the floor of the House. It was a beautiful moment and more than simply “symbolic,” as some claim, to have the Constitution read by our Congress. I am confident she knew that reading our sacred charter of liberty was more than just “symbolic.” But less than a week after Congresswoman Giffords reaffirmed our protected freedoms, another member of Congress announced that he would propose a law that would criminalize speech he found offensive.

It is in the hour when our values are challenged that we must remain resolved to protect those values. Recall how the events of 9-11 challenged our values and we had to fight the tendency to trade our freedoms for perceived security. And so it is today.

Let us honor those precious lives cut short in Tucson by praying for them and their families and by cherishing their memories. Let us pray for the full recovery of the wounded. And let us pray for our country. In times like this we need God’s guidance and the peace He provides. We need strength to not let the random acts of a criminal turn us against ourselves, or weaken our solid foundation, or provide a pretext to stifle debate.

America must be stronger than the evil we saw displayed last week. We are better than the mindless finger-pointing we endured in the wake of the tragedy. We will come out of this stronger and more united in our desire to peacefully engage in the great debates of our time, to respectfully embrace our differences in a positive manner, and to unite in the knowledge that, though our ideas may be different, we must all strive for a better future for our country. May God bless America.

posted January 12, 2011 12:25 PM            

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Your conservative friend is more correct about the 1st Amendment than you acoustic.

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No, he's not. Not by a long shot. Freedom of speech doesn't exist specifically for the purpose of allowing people to be offensive. Freedom of speech is an insurance against the government silencing people.

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These leftists want their own free speech rights protected but want to shut their political opponents up by reintroducing the so called "Fairness Doctrine" into law.

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How exactly would that shut conservative opponents up? That doctrine allows both sides to speak about a subject. It doesn't prevent one side from speaking.

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So, where were you katatonic...and acoustic, when demoscats used this map?

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I had no knowledge of any such map, Palin or otherwise.

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But when was it less heated? Back in those “calm days” when political figures literally settled their differences with dueling pistols? - Sarah Palin

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It's been a lot less heated in the past. Perhaps, Sarah needs to review some Pew data going back over the last century. I guess she doesn't understand the widening partisan gap.

posted January 12, 2011 01:01 PM            

Could Jared Loughner be a MK Ultra programmed assassin?

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posted January 12, 2011 01:02 PM            

Further acoustic, you're also wrong about the so called "Fairness Doctrine". Just because leftists are a total bust on talk radio and cannot get a listening audience necessary for sponsors to pay the bills...that's no excuse for giving those who have lost the war of ideas free and equal time to spout their nonsense.

"I had no knowledge of any such map, Palin or otherwise."...acoustic

"Palin should be more responsible than alluding to guns and violence"...acoustic 1/10/2011

You certainly seemed to be aware of it on January 10th acoustic...when you made your hairbrained remark.

"It's been a lot less heated in the past. Perhaps, Sarah needs to review some Pew data going back over the last century. I guess she doesn't understand the widening partisan gap."...acoustic

Does the assassination of John F Kennedy ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Does the assassination of Robert Kennedy ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Does the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Does the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Do the leftist riots in the 1960s ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

posted January 12, 2011 01:30 PM            

I'm not wrong regarding the Fairness Doctrine. You claimed erroneously that it would serve to shut people up. That's most obviously wrong.

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You certainly seemed to be aware of it on January 10th acoustic...when you made your hairbrained remark.

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Oh really? I couldn't be alluding to her saying stuff like "Lock and load," or "take up your arms"? Are you certain about that? Think before you write, Jwhop.

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Does the assassination of Robert Kennedy ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Does the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Does the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Do the leftist riots in the 1960s ring any bells for you acoustic? "It's been a lot less heated in the past"

Hahaha
Sarah Palin needs no tutoring from someone who hasn't a clue; someone like you acoustic.

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posted January 12, 2011 03:00 PM            

"I'm not wrong regarding the Fairness Doctrine. You claimed erroneously that it would serve to shut people up. That's most obviously wrong."...acoustic

You are wrong about the Fairness Doctrine not being put forth to shut people up acoustic. I really expect people to be able to reason logically. Talk radio would disappear if radio stations had to give free airtime to political opponents of their talk show hosts. I notice leftist visions of equal time on the air doesn't extend to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, or to print media like the Treason Times, Washington Post, LA Times or other leftist organs of the demoscat party.

"Oh really? I couldn't be alluding to her saying stuff like "Lock and load," or "take up your arms"?"...acoustic

Are you certain the lefty press organs and their drooling sycophant so called reporters weren't specifically talking about the "map" Palin put up with the cross hairs? That's what I put up and that's what I was talking about, that's what you responded to; that's what's been all over the lefty networks after Congresswoman Giffords and others were shot.

"You mention the attempt on Reagan's life. How many states did Reagan win in 1984? 49. Now, you want to say that things weren't less partisan in the past? How about all the Presidents that didn't have big assassination attempts?"...acoustic

I knew you would become even more irrational as the discussion progressed acoustic.

I listed 4 assassinations/assassination attempts on Presidents and Presidential candidates in the last 50+ years...as well as riots by leftists...at the demoscat national convention in Chicago in 1968...termed the "Days of Rage"....and you want to put forth the nonsense that things are "more heated" now than in the past.

So tell me acoustic; how many assassination attempts have there been on O'Bomber?

posted January 12, 2011 03:14 PM            

Unless you're Rush Limbaugh
Unless you're Sarah Palin
Unless you're Sean Hannity
Unless you're a Tea Party member
Unless you're a Conservative

posted January 12, 2011 05:23 PM            

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Your Conservative friend is a lot closer to the truth about the reasons for the 1st Amendment than you are acoustic.

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You keep saying that, but you don't provide any sort of reasoning for saying that. As far as I'm concerned that means you're disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing.

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You are wrong about the Fairness Doctrine not being put forth to shut people up acoustic.

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No, I'm not. The Fairness Doctrine would not discourage the Right from voicing it's opinion. Talk radio wouldn't disappear. It didn't when the Fairness Doctrine was previously in place. Who's being illogical here? I can understand not wanting to dillute the spin from the Right, but it wouldn't be the death of your radio.

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Are you certain the lefty press organs and their drooling sycophant so called reporters weren't specifically talking about the "map" Palin put up with the cross hairs? That's what I put up and that's what I was talking about, that's what you responded to; that's what's been all over the lefty networks after Congresswoman Giffords and others were shot.

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I didn't read any "lefty" press reports on the subject. Palin's allusion to gun violence were well known prior to this coming up.

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I knew you would become even more irrational as the discussion progressed acoustic.

I listed 4 assassinations/assassination attempts on Presidents and Presidential candidates in the last 50+ years...as well as riots by leftists...at the demoscat national convention in Chicago in 1968...termed the "Days of Rage"....and you want to put forth the nonsense that things are "more heated" now than in the past.

So tell me acoustic; how many assassination attempts have there been on O'Bomber?

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posted January 12, 2011 06:39 PM            

"Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

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posted January 12, 2011 06:50 PM            

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posted January 12, 2011 07:32 PM            

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to I. Tiffany, 1819.

The law is essentially the enforcement of the individual's rights without which who can say whether one person's action violates another person's liberty?

Further, he knew that overpopulation would lead to the problems we now face.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. ~ Thomas Jefferson

posted January 12, 2011 08:07 PM            

Node made an excellent point:

blaming the rhetoric (and those who use it) is similar to blaming heavy metal music for violence.

Way too many variables to start the blame game

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posted January 13, 2011 09:14 AM            

Saying one side or the other uses terminology, phrases, symbols more than the other is pointless.

Sarah Palin could respond with a little grace and class by admitting that she could tone it down, that is not her style though.

CNN Face the Nation had 2 leaders from both sides of the aisle say Sunday:

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Tennessee Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander said it's time to "cool it, tone it down, treat each other with great respect,"

Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin said violent words and images have become too "pervasive in our discussion of political issues."

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We need more of that. After 6 days of processing we have reached the point where we need to concretely lay blame. In this complex issue flaying and mud slinging will be traded, when the dust settles we might be back to square one and business as usual.

The controversial church Westboro had planned to protest this Sunday.

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Wiki:The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which include picketing funerals and desecrating the American flag. The church is widely described as a hate group and is monitored as such by the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center. It is headed by Fred Phelps and consists mostly of members of his large family; in 2007, it had 71 members. The church is headquartered in a residential neighborhood on the west side of Topeka about three miles west of the Kansas State Capitol at 3701 West 12th Street, Topeka, Kansas, United States. Its first public service was held on the afternoon of Sunday, November 27, 1955.

The church has been actively involved in the anti-gay movement since at least 1991 when it sought a crackdown on homosexual activity at Gage Park about a mile northwest of the church. In addition to anti-gay protests at military funerals, the organization pickets other celebrity funerals that are likely to get it media attention.

The WBC is not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations. The church describes itself as following Primitive Baptist and Calvinist principles, though mainstream Primitive Baptists reject the WBC and Phelps.

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When that happened Emergency legislation was passed denying access within 300 yards of the funeral.

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Within hours of the church's announcements, Facebook groups sprang up to plan actions surrounding the funerals that would keep the church members separate from the mourners.

Tucson just isn't that kind of town, says Christin Gilmer, 26, referring to the actions of the church.

"For something like this to happen in Tucson was a really big shock to us all," she said. "Our nightmare happened when we saw Westboro Baptist Church was going to picket the funerals."

Gilmer and others are planning an "angel action" -- with 8-by-10-foot "angel wings" worn by participants to shield mourners from picketers. Angel actions were created by Coloradan Romaine Patterson, who was shocked to find the Topeka church and its multicolored signs outside the 1999 funeral of Matthew Shepard, a young gay man beaten and left on a fence to die in Laramie, Wyoming.

The angel action is part of a larger effort, organized by Chelsea Cohen, a 20-year-old University of Arizona senior, aimed at showing what she said are Tucson's true colors.

"Once I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church was coming, I felt like something should be done to show support for the families," she said. "I don't have any experience in organizing these things. I thought I might get 50 to 100 people."

"This isn't a counter-protest," she said. "We wanted it to show support for the families and to show that Tucson is there with love and support."

The groups don't want to interfere with the funeral in any way, Cohen said.

"We plan on being completely silent, and we're asking people not to bring signs or make comments about the Westboro Baptist Church," she said

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Dean Blundell, of Toronto a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church to not protest at the funeral.

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TORONTO - Members of a radical Kansas church have canceled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.

Dean Blundell, a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in an effort to prevent further suffering for the victim's family.

Phelps-Roper has also credited Blundell and another Arizona radio station for persuading her and fellow church members to stay away from the funeral for Christina Green, who was one of six people killed on Saturday in Tucson, Ariz.

The church had previously planned to picket Green's funeral on Thursday, saying the Arizona shooter had been sent by God to punish sinners in the country.

The organization also has a long history of picketing the funerals of fallen American soldiers on the grounds that the nation is too tolerant towards homosexuals.

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Hopefully this publicity will satisfy the members of the church.

posted January 13, 2011 01:04 PM            

well i wasn't blaming the rhetoric, but i do think the inflammatory approach espoused by jwhop and the right in general, especially on fox news, where the maudlin and incessant depiction of democrats as murderous thugs and commies out to undermine the country, the constant harping on shooting imagery, etc, CONTRIBUTES to an atmosphere that helps people like this feel justified.

and i think calling people who express similar OPINIONS of this style of "campaigning" BLOOD LIBELERS is a perfect example of overstating one's case.

posted January 13, 2011 05:03 PM            

yes, but is not the root cause as many are indicating.

The rhetoric is garbage talk but it is the nature of the beast as history proves.

Sad but true

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