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Topic: On Your Mark, Get Set, Go Iowa
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 03, 2012 09:08 AM
Mr Ron Paul ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 03, 2012 09:14 AM
Destination 2012: http://news.yahoo.com/elections/ ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 03, 2012 09:44 AM
America could do a lot worse than going with Ron Paul.In fact, America already did do a lot worse and got the worst by electing O'Bomber. There's a long, long, long way to go before one of the Republican candidates rises to the top...and stays there through the primaries. It's going to be interesting...starting tonight in Iowa! IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 03, 2012 05:13 PM
quote: It's going to be interesting...starting tonight in Iowa!
While it can be a frightening prospect on one hand, on the other, it`s an exciting time to be experiencing politics! ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 10:32 AM
You might like this juni...and other Ron Paul supporters.Paul came in 3rd and for most of the night it was back and forth between Paul, Romney and Santorum. Romney 24.6% 30,015 votes Santorum 24.5% 30,007 votes Paul 21.4% 26,219 votes Gingrich 13.3% 16,251 votes Perry 10.3% 12,604 votes Bachmann 5% 6,073 votes Huntsman 0.6% 745 votes No pref. 0.1% 135 Palin: GOP better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters The Right Scoop Jan 3, 2012 Sarah Palin gave her analysis of the Iowa caucuses tonight, refusing to give any single candidate anything close to an endorsement. She also noted rather passionately though, that the GOP had better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters after tonight because their fiscal concerns are very legitimate and the GOP had better work with them. She also noted her expectation that Bachmann will probably drop out in coming weeks, but also made sure to tell people to quit taking shots as this isn’t something personal against Bachmann, but simply her opinion. http://www.therightscoop.com/palin-gop-better-not-marginalize-ron-paul-and-his-supporters/
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 11:30 AM
Not an outcome I'd want as a Republican. The two top guys, whom aren't popular nationally, got just 24% of the vote each. Yikes!IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 01:19 PM
I wouldn't get too carried away with vapors of euphoria just yet acoustic.The problem for O'Bomber is that he's very well known now..and, voters don't like what he's done. And, I mean voters don't like much of anything he's done. Besides which, Romney beats O'Bomber in head to head polling. Even a generic Republican beats O'Bomber. But, I wouldn't get too far out in front of the Republican primary race just yet. No one knows what's going to happen in the other primary states. Romney Beats Obama in Head to Head Poll, Santorum Rises in Iowa December 29, 2011 ....Mitt Romney has now jumped to his biggest lead ever over President Obama in a hypothetical Election 2012 matchup. It’s also the biggest lead a named Republican candidate has held over the incumbent in Rasmussen Reports surveying to date. The latest national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the former Massachusetts governor, while 39% prefer the president. (Read More) Even a generic Republican would beat Obama at this point, but the “political class” still prefers Obama..... http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/12/romney-beats-obama-head-to-head-santorum-rises-in-iowa/ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 14518 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 03:06 PM
The closeness of the race merely shows comepetition, and that's a good thing. But once a nominee is picked, the Republicans will unite and get that Socialist out of office. The common goal is to oust Obama. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 04:24 PM
There isn't a Socialist in office. quote: Besides which, Romney beats O'Bomber in head to head polling. Even a generic Republican beats O'Bomber.
Yes, the candidate that's perceived as not campaigning yet by most of the country barely loses out to a generic Republican. I don't foresee that lasting once a singular opponent arises. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 06:05 PM
"Yes, the candidate that's perceived as not campaigning yet by most of the country barely loses out to a generic Republican"...acousticHow do you always manage to step in the crap acoustic? O'Bomber is perceived as doing nothing but campaigning for reelection. The reality is that O'Bomber is a Socialist..and is perceived as such by a majority of Americans. Randall is right. Once the fight for the Republican nomination is finished and a winner emerges, Republicans will unite behind the nominee to throw the Socialist O'Bomber out. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 14518 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 06:07 PM
You can call a tomato a potato all you want, but it's still a fruit. Socialists hide under the Democrat moniker, because US voters would never elect an official Socialist party member. But rest assured, AG, that we do have Socialists in America; you just might have some of them (OWS) protesting outside the bank you work at (or one of its branches). And guess what that ruse is all about? Mmmmmm? Getting Obama, their Socialist Messiah, reelected. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 06:43 PM
quote: O'Bomber is perceived as doing nothing but campaigning for reelection.The reality is that O'Bomber is a Socialist..and is perceived as such by a majority of Americans.
You're vastly out of touch if you believe this to be true. quote: Socialists hide under the Democrat moniker, because US voters would never elect an official Socialist party member.
Also false. As Jwhop has pointed out here before, Democrats include some of the most talented Capitalists amongst their ranks. Not only so, but I've not seen a candidate ever espouse a philosophy that would satisfy the definition of Socialism. No one's endorsing public ownership of industry, except as is already acceptable via stock trading. No one's endorsing the management of industry by the government. The closest thing to this would be regulation of industry by government, which is often a necessary consumer protection. You appear not to understand the nature of Socialism, or what it means to be an American in this day and age if you believe Obama or any other Democrat is a true Socialist. "Socialist" has become a label Republicans use to try to tie people to philosophies they materially DON'T espouse. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 10:25 PM
I have not pointed out that the demoscat party has a large contingent of "Capitalists" acoustic.I have pointed out that most of the top 10 richest members of Congress are demoscats. I have pointed out that O'Bomber received more campaign cash from Wall Street than any candidate in history. I have pointed out that O'Bomber has paid off his big contributors..Wall Street and others with taxpayer money in the form of government loans, bailouts and grants i.e., Solyndra, Goldman Sachs, GE and others but these people are not Capitalists. They're crony Socialists. O'Bomber even paid off his big money contributors and investors of Fisker Motors with government taxpayer money to make electric cars...in Finland and cut American workers out totally. Now acoustic, who ever the Republican nominee for President turns out to be, he or she is going to make O'Bomber look like the corrupt Karl Marx protegee he really is. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 04, 2012 10:52 PM
quote: I have not pointed out that the demoscat party has a large contingent of "Capitalists" acoustic.
Didn't you? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/003704.html quote: Now acoustic, who ever the Republican nominee for President turns out to be, he or she is going to make O'Bomber look like the corrupt Karl Marx protegee he really is.
More deluded conjecture? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 12:31 AM
Gee acoustic, you've fallen flat on your face again.The older thread you referenced..."democrats, Party of the Rich"...didn't even mention the word "Capitalists". Further, this was what was posited: In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice president of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represented by Democrats............... That's right, demoscats represent the wealthiest congressional districts. Not to mention that demoscats make up a majority of the top 10 wealthiest congressional members. No one...including me said anything about these demoscats being "Capitalists". Apparently, according to recent news stories, they made their money trading on insider information and IPOs they got from their crony Socialist friends whom they've been paying off with government contracts, government loans and grants. That's not Capitalism! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 01:41 AM
A "rich person" by Republican standards MUST be a Capitalist (that's why Republicans try to shield them from taxes, because they're supposedly the "job creators"). Just because that's an inconvenient truth, doesn't mean you get to try to minimize the superior Capitalist's gains as being actions only a second George Bush would be guilty of. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 07:14 AM
Don't attempt definitions acoustic. Language...English is one of your weakest areas....among so many others.Republicans don't define "Capitalists" as "the rich". That would make Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, Lenin, Kim Jong Il, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini and many other Socialists..."Capitalists". So, how badly do you think Ron Paul is going to beat O'Bomber in the general election? Will Paul blow O'Bomber out or will O'Bomber take a state or 2 or 6...like Carter did against Reagan and hold the election down to a landslide loss? IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3093 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 10:08 AM
I never paid any attention to Santorum (or Huntsman for that matter.) Seems he had some ethical troubles ? And now the NAACP is breathing down his neck? Onward to N.H. and may the best man win
------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Emeraldopal Knowflake Posts: 1133 From: U Registered: Apr 2011
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posted January 05, 2012 11:12 AM
Gosh I shouldn't say this...I have found New Hamphire to be a most Corrupt State!!! ------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 14518 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 12:17 PM
Romney gave a great speech before introducing McCain who endorsed him. He is a strict Constitutionalist...quite the antithesis of Obama.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 04:25 PM
Amongst Republican contenders I like Romney the best. I don't think he'd endear a lot of people to him, but I also don't think he'd behave rashly if he won the office. Plus he likes Ike, and that speaks well of a person in my mind.Of course if Obama's Healthcare reforms are what drives Republicans it seems highly unlikely that Romney would try to undo the very thing he instituted in his own state when he was governor. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 08:33 PM
Jwhop, I think we can safely say without any exaggeration that your last post was wildly speculative to the point of delusion. You think Ron Paul is going to be up against Barack Obama in the general election, and that he's going to accomplish a sweep on par with Ronald Reagan? That's just crazy talk.As for rich non-capitalists, there have been some. The point here is that wealthy AMERICAN districts elect Democrats. It's absurd to propose that the wealth of these areas was achieved via un-American (i.e. anti-Capitalistic) ways. Of course they're Capitalists, and yes they do prefer to vote for people who would tax them more appropriately. On a side note, it always seems weird that you'd try to shield such people from the taxes they want. Of course these people understand that historically the wealthy have paid more in taxes whilst keeping the economy in good stead via the companies they own or otherwise invest in. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 10:42 PM
I think we can safely say that you destroyed whatever credibility you ever had long ago acoustic.As for Ron Paul, I don't think you have any idea of the strength Paul has or the intensity of his supporters. Nor do you understand real Democrats have been leaving the demoscat party in droves since 2008. Only about 3% of those voters have go over to the republican party. The rest have become independents and Paul's message resonates very well with Independents and conservatives who are fed up with the political class of both parties. I don't think Ron Paul is going away any time soon. Yeah acoustic, Michael Moore and all his rich Hollywood communist friends are real "capitalists". As are the loony-tunes Socialists in San Francisco real "Capitalists"...also a high income area. Do you ever pull your head out for even a moment? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 12:06 PM
I don't think you can safely say anything about anyone's credibility considering the nonsense you've posted here over the years. I've never met a political pundit that's displayed more irrationality than you.You are easily mistaken about both Ron Paul and the supposed exodus from the Democratic ranks. Without question, Ron Paul won't be a significant player in the general election. San Francisco Capitalists...you really want to go there? Ever heard of Steve Jobs? How would you categorize his business stance? How about Mark Zuckerburg? Where does he live? I'm afraid that categorizing rich people from my area as anything other than Capitalists is a fool's errand. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 7392 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 03:33 PM
i know a ton of rich san francisco area folk. every one has made his/her money the good old fashioned entrepreneurial way. the fact that they vote for people who think it's okay to charge them a few cents more on their OVER 1 MILLION income hardly makes them commies! it makes them RESPONSIBLE capitalists who like to have a strong government and population capable of buying their products whatever those might be!and the fact that a reporter couldn't get them to DONATE to the government doesn't change the fact that they would like ALL their class to be REQUIRED to pay a little bit more. the government is not a charity after all. george lucas, with his thousands of acres and coupons at the grocery store...a communist? i don't think so! he came to this area to get away from the closed-shop ethic in hollywood and he continues to buck that system. there are thousands like him in the area. most not so famous, but just as wealthy. san francisco may be open-minded but it is not socialist in any definition of the word.
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