posted July 09, 2012 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
thanks for the article faith
it was quite the interesting (and a bit shocking) read

i dont really see israel as a terrorizing state that denies the rights of Palestinians

i see pictures every day of Palestinians throwing rocks at soldiers that cannot retaliate by the order of law and thus people end up with injuries without doing anything wrong

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You're welcome. Thank you for reading.

The Israel-Palestine conflict seems beyond resolution.

There are a lot of people in the US who wish Israel well, but see our leaders being immoderately influenced by Israel, even to the extent that US interests are subjugated to Israel's.

The fact that Dennis Ross had to resign because he was caught essentially taking orders from Israel is just a sign of our times.

posted July 09, 2012 01:48 PM            

why is it okay for you to lecture everyone and pretend that only the misguided might disagree with you, yet anyone else speaking out is "lecturing"?

posted July 09, 2012 02:05 PM            

you are quite POSSIBLY right, but you are still going on circumstantial evidence. even kristol, in the act of approving, admits surprise...why is that?

posted July 09, 2012 02:50 PM            

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Oh yes, and WHY did Ross "step down" again?

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Another attempt at a gotcha question that you don't answer for yourself?

Why do you think he left?

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Ross's book is about statecraft and, contrary to the narrow view present by "God" above, it fully embraces aggression as a legitimate tactic. Let's not wriggle around the truth here:

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posted July 09, 2012 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You're welcome. Thank you for reading.

The Israel-Palestine conflict seems beyond resolution.

There are a lot of people in the US who wish Israel well, but see our leaders being immoderately influenced by Israel, even to the extent that US interests are subjugated to Israel's.

The fact that Dennis Ross had to resign because he was caught essentially taking orders from Israel is just a sign of our times.

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i like it that you explain your words simply

i sometimes end up looking up some of the words people use here

posted July 09, 2012 03:37 PM            

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The fact that Dennis Ross had to resign because he was caught essentially taking orders from Israel is just a sign of our times.

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Ohhh, you did answer your own question. Sorry. My mistake for not catching that.

posted July 09, 2012 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Kat,

You don't make any sense to me. It all comes through as gibberish.

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I feel that way, too.

posted July 09, 2012 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
faith, if you cannot understand what i am saying it seems strange that you would complain about me lecturing you. which is it? you don't like what i say, or you don't understand it? or perhaps you just don't read it and object to long entries that you have perceived to be arguing with you?

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It is both. You lecture, but it is gibberish.

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posted July 09, 2012 04:55 PM            

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posted July 09, 2012 05:09 PM            

You seem to be lecturing me. I say that because you state facts as if I don't already know them. It would be like me repeatedly replying to your comments with something like, "The alphabet begins with ABC, Kat!"

Then, you seem to be fascinated by people's emotional orientation toward Obama, a subject that I find so boring, I am totally baffled that anyone could care as much as you seem to.

Yeah, if people are so loyal to Obama that they cannot see facts for what they are, I note the oddity. If they seem to have some foaming-at-the-mouth reaction to everything he does, that is peculiar as well.

But I don't get wrapped up in it. You, quite differently, seem to want to try and "normalize" the emotional reactions that Obama elicits from people.

I could not possibly care less. I mean, good luck with your efforts but I have nothing to contribute to your cause.

Edit: Also, the fact that you don't capitalize creates readability issues.

Basically, I don't know what your M.O. is and have no interest in finding out, because your approach, to me, is off-putting.

posted July 09, 2012 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is both. You lecture, but it is gibberish.

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Oh! I missed your comment. You said it more concisely, thanks.

posted July 09, 2012 05:26 PM            

comes over as lecturing too. i did you the courtesy of responding but you have fallen for the snake lady's game...you don't appear to have noticed that the minute you came here she pointed the finger at me as the evil person, which is what she has done to every woman who dared argue with her even when it was done in her own interest.

but nevermind. i thought you wanted to talk but it seems you are no more interested in communicating than several others here, only in making others look backward who see holes in your arguments...

posted July 09, 2012 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
well, faith, your insistence on harrassing people and calling them stupid because they have already investigated what you think is new news...

comes over as lecturing too. i did you the courtesy of responding but you have fallen for the snake lady's game...you don't appear to have noticed that the minute you came here she pointed the finger at me as the evil person, which is what she has done to every woman who dared argue with her even when it was done in her own interest.

but nevermind. i thought you wanted to talk but it seems you are no more interested in communicating than several others here, only in making others look backward who see holes in your arguments...

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I don't need to point the finger at you as evil or anything. You act obnoxious yourself

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posted July 09, 2012 08:51 PM            

Harassment? That's over the top! If AG doesn't want to talk to me, he doesn't have to.

Have I harassed you? How? By saying I don't understand your comments? "Please don't lecture"?

I am not beholden to AG just because he randomly looks at some of my articles and finds what he thinks are holes. I get to decide what I think are holes, and what aren't, to me.

Sure, I am interested in talking, that's why I'm here, but not when I am talked down to. But that was your approach, and it seemed to have more to do with maintaining an alliance with AG than honestly interacting with me. Like your lecture about me being sensational coming right on the heels of AG's criticism. Would you have done that if AG weren't here?

As for Ami, you deal with her your way, I deal with her mine, she deals with us her way. I don't see how it's your place to decide what my feelings are about Ami. Obviously you haven't been around much to see how she and I interact.

posted July 09, 2012 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
well, faith, your insistence on harrassing people and calling them stupid because they have already investigated what you think is new news...

comes over as lecturing too. i did you the courtesy of responding but you have fallen for the snake lady's game...you don't appear to have noticed that the minute you came here she pointed the finger at me as the evil person, which is what she has done to every woman who dared argue with her even when it was done in her own interest.

but nevermind. i thought you wanted to talk but it seems you are no more interested in communicating than several others here, only in making others look backward who see holes in your arguments...

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Who do you get along with her other than AG and Node?

You are contentious with every other person on here.

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posted July 10, 2012 02:12 PM            

You are hopeless.

i'm sorry if i mistook this for what it sounds like. condescension at best, and when you say things like "it must be embarrassing to you for me to have to point things out"...how would you take it if i talked to you the way you talked to AG? i think he took it with grace.

perhaps if you had started the thread with a less totalitarian tone you would have had more people willing to entertain your premise?

but AG is perfectly capable of speaking for himself. personally, i have investigated a lot of what you brought here and there is a lot of circumstantial evidence floating around these days, so i prefer to remain skeptical.

posted July 10, 2012 04:57 PM            

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perhaps if you had started the thread with a less totalitarian tone you would have had more people willing to entertain your premise?

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Again, you don't make sense to me. AT ALL.

I was pretty nice to AG in the beginning. Then I got the impression he was just scoffing at everything I said. I can't pinpoint the moment "the gloves came off" for me, all I can say is, I'm usually nice to people.

YTA,

What would you like to see happen and why?

posted July 10, 2012 06:14 PM            

it's okay faith, i know it is hard to hear oneself the way others hear you(one)...your opening sentence basically states, categorically, that THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE.

Current U.S. foreign policy was designed by this group, prior to 9 11.
Please note who the main players are and how
influential they remain today

people who might have other ideas are bound to question this attitude even if they don't rule out everything you say...

but like i said, if you have trouble understanding or just plain don't like what i say, there is no compulsion to reply.

posted July 10, 2012 06:25 PM            

not sure that was what YTA meant though?

posted July 10, 2012 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
all of a sudden i have apparently become incomprehensible! to a couple of people anyway. for decades i have had no trouble being understood and in fact i have often supported myself writing letters etc for others. whatever.

it's okay faith, i know it is hard to hear oneself the way others hear you(one)...your opening sentence basically states, categorically, that THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE.

[b]Current U.S. foreign policy was designed by this group, prior to 9 11.
Please note who the main players are and how
influential they remain today

people who might have other ideas are bound to question this attitude even if they don't rule out everything you say...

but like i said, if you have trouble understanding or just plain don't like what i say, there is no compulsion to reply.

i suppose, though, since you say you feel no enmity, that you are okay with people saying things to you like "faith, you are hopeless." or would you find that disagreeable and condescending?[/B]

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I don't think people really understood you, but no one ever said anything

posted July 10, 2012 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Nothing resembling political debate in yet another post. Just another provocation.

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You used to come on the Astro Forums a lot. Why don't you, anymore?

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