posted July 12, 2012 09:40 AM            

I just bring up that one single incidence of Kat because I remember it, as it was directed to me. There are many, many others directed to other people.

I just don't see LL as a nasty place that people have to feel uncomfortable, on ANY Forum, even a political one.

I want to welcome new people, not chase them away, no matter what the Forum.

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posted July 12, 2012 09:45 AM            

Keep it about what's being discussed without coming in with your personal distaste for somebody.

posted July 12, 2012 09:48 AM            

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I just bring up that one single incidence of Kat because I remember it, as it was directed to me. There are many, many others directed to other people.

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posted July 12, 2012 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by ghanima81:

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I don't think someone should be able to slur someone's ethnicity. That is one single example. I don't think LL is about that, on ANY Forum. There is no use arguing about it. You can have a different opinion. That is mine.

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posted July 12, 2012 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by ghanima81:
I agree.

Keep it about what's being discussed without coming in with your personal distaste for somebody.

I think that WAS happening quite nicely.

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I don't agree. I think people like Kat were allowed to be out of the box nasty. That is my personal opinion, but I bet other people share it, such as Faith.

At any rate, it is silly to keep arguing it. I am sure you have other things to do and I do, too.

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posted July 12, 2012 11:47 AM            

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My inability to state what I perceive as CLEAR FACTS about the President without being aggressively, verbosely challenged by his defenders led me to that theory.

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I think "perceive" should be capitalized in this sentence, too. If you perceive something as fact without it ACTUALLY being fact, then you might get challenged on it.

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I don't know what is permissible to state here, about their attitude.

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You can say what you like.

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What is the accurate picture? In what way, exactly, is my view conspiratorial, and what are the elements conspiring in my view?

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Your view apparently limits the man's viewpoint of strictly military negotiation or pressure, which avoids anything else about him. It's like taking a three dimensional object and making it two dimensional; you lose a lot of relevant data in the process.

posted July 12, 2012 01:26 PM            

so faith doesn't like people pointing out what they see as flaws in her premises. that is hardly unusual and i really don't care if she talks to me or not. this is a discussion board and people who want no argument should start their own blogs, but i can't stop them coming here!

i note that ami wasted no time at all in announcing to faith that (bats eyelashes) it is so nice to have someone else present themselves as a target for kat, so poor ami doesn't have to be ALONE in that position.

and then turned around and started claiming that i am nasty to everyone.

in other words this is exactly what ami wanted. congratulations to her for achieving her revenge.

rush would be proud. ami has truly learned doublespeak and innuendo in his own style.

though i suspect she has been at it since decades back.

anyone who was here before i even came to LL, anyone who has paid attention to this forum without the express purpose of demonizing me, will be able to see what is really what.

posted July 12, 2012 02:51 PM            

Anyway, we beat the subject to death. Lets just drop it.
I think GU can have a positive vibe of acceptance for everyone. I think that is what makes LL so special.

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posted July 12, 2012 10:28 PM            

Thanks for that article on Dennis Ross. I see it was written by Jordan Hirsch, a Columbia College sophomore majoring in History and Creative Writing.

Authoritative.

Nonetheless, Hirsch will at least acknowledge the plain old fact that Dennis Ross is a neocon, still tight with his PNAC cronies.

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In advocating for a "neoliberal" U.S. foreign policy rather than a neoconservative one, Ross habitually cherry picks, blurring the lines between neoliberalism and neoconservatism in order to praise the former. Instead of acknowledging the complexities that both bind and separate these loose ideological camps, Ross attempts to draw artificial lines between them. This is especially clear in his discussion of the Iraq War. In light of the American difficulties in stabilizing Iraq, Ross writes that his neoliberal policy would dictate, when necessary, the deployment of U.S. troops in large, overpowering numbers. But in claiming this as neoliberal theory, Ross has a problem. While it was not the strategy employed by Donald Rumsfeld in the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation, it is strongly in line with the view of leading neoconservatives such as William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and the founder of a think tank dedicated to increasing the size of the U.S. military and its deployments. Ross's solution to this problem is to write that Kristol's view is actually a neoliberal one. What does Ross mean, then, when he calls a view "neoliberal"? Apparently, just that he likes it.

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What was your initial point again, about Ross?

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He's worked under two Democratic administrations, and you want to assign far right philosophy to him. Based on the fact that he grew up around where I live, and that he's worked for a Berkeley-Stanford university program, I would have to guess he's not nearly as ideological as you're making him out to be.

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I don't know exactly what you mean by "ideological." I was saying, he's a PNAC guy, worked high up with Obama.

I guess you think Obama is trying to phase out all the Bush-era damage, whereas I see him amping it up.

posted July 12, 2012 10:29 PM            

Thanks for having my back.

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"Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who's really in charge? Someone is responsible and it's important for those of us who love liberty and resent Big Brother government identify the philosophic supporters who have the most to say about the direction our country is going. These are the neoconservatives of recent fame...."

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posted July 13, 2012 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ami,

Thanks for having my back.

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You are welcome, Faith.

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