posted August 31, 2013 06:04 PM            

For you, AG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8

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posted September 03, 2013 12:56 PM            

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because parents don't correlate them with the vaccine

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Correlation still doesn't equal causation.

posted September 03, 2013 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
AG,

1) You toot your own horn about following logic, but I will just have to delicately differ with you.

2) For example, your logic seems to be that since your wife is a lawyer, she will not break the law, therefore she will not be subjected to any home inspections.

You two are going to have children, hopefully? What if the scope of home inspections expands to include criteria that you two meet, such as, if one parent is over 40, the state must ensure that the parent is healthy so that they are capable of meeting all the needs of a child? Because maybe, who knows, there is a statistic linking people who are over 40 with morbid obesity. So the state might have to come check you out!

3) "Why doesn't this amount to 'boiling the frog'? Because it's not mandated. It's voluntary on the State's part. "

This shows you have no idea what boiling the frog means. The frogs are the citizens whose choices are restricted, not the states.

And in order for the "boiling the frog" principle to work, a new law WILL NOT blare its horn saying that it is likely to be expanded upon in the future. They get their foot in the door (literally, in this case) and then expand.

4) The word "targeting" reflects the way people who resent warrantless home inspections regard said inspections. So it is a perfectly apt carrier of the sentiments of those who use that word in this context.

5) Why do I bother talking to you?

I don't understand myself sometimes, it's like I'm trying to talk sense to someone who doesn't even speak my language whatsoever.

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I just said this on the other thread. the level of density is mind boggling

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posted September 03, 2013 01:45 PM            

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I just said this on the other thread. the level of density is mind boggling

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That's nice, Ami. It doesn't make it true. The opinion of people that I think have trouble thinking shouldn't be an area of concern for me, should it? If I am a parent, and a child tells me something I know to be false, I'm not going to accept it, right? My non-acceptance doesn't make me stubborn. If someone is telling me that blue + yellow = orange, there's obviously a problem. It's not that they're "thinking outside of the box" or "independently". It's that it's factually incorrect. Blue + yellow = green. Every time. If a person can't show me that what they're saying is correct, why should I make the jump to accept their conclusion?

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True that correlational evidence does not prove causality; however, to go from a healthy child to a damaged one right after a vaccine speaks volumes, to the extent that it should be a consideration, but vaccines are thought to be safe, which is why serious adverse reactions are under reported.

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posted September 03, 2013 03:03 PM            

Then again the disease itself affects some people equally badly, so is it the fillers or the virus that is responsible?

posted September 03, 2013 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Unfortunately, pro-vaccine campaigns are so brainwashingly good that most parents would not consider that a shot could have caused the sudden illness or death. With babies, doctors will just say it's SIDS. Only an autopsy can determine the brain swelling caused by the vaccine.

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Totally

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posted September 03, 2013 06:41 PM            

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There are now several cases of children being awarded high damages for autism which gives every appearance of being related to vaccination. I will look but I think one at least was in the US.

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I don't think there are.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/09/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/

Since that initial finding, 14 studies including millions of children in several countries consistently show no significant difference in autism rates between children who got the MMR vaccine those who didn't. http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism?page=2

"Neither [NIMH Director Tom] Insel or I are ready to discard the vaccine hypothesis, but we don't think there is anything in vaccines that causes autism in the vast majority of cases," Swedo tells WebMD. "In earlier cases where vaccines caused rare complications, we figured it out quickly. Since vaccines are given so often, if there was a strong connection between vaccination and autism we would know it by now. What we are not discarding is the one-in-ten-thousand or one-in-a-million cases that might have a link." http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism?page=5