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Topic: Trump's Own Words, Not The Media Twists
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 3000
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 05:43 PM
  
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Are drivers being sued so frequently for accidentally running over protesters that a blanket rule was necessary? It doesn’t seem so, although there have been a small number of motorist-demonstrator crashes in recent years. A motorcyclist allegedly knocked a man down at a Florida anti-Trump rally in November; a motorist in Minneapolis drove his car through a highway protest in 2014, injuring a 16 year old girl; and an 18-year-old man in Nevada plowed through a group of anti-Columbus Day protesters last October, resulting in one protester suffering from multiple pelvic fractures. Rather, these bills are part of an attempt to quell and control civil rights movements. Republican legislators are attempting to ease restrictions on drivers murdering demonstrators. At the same time, they’re also trying to criminalize peaceful protest.
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I want to see Drumpf's tax returns! & Deutsche Bank loans. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 17, 2017 05:51 PM
Actually Randall brought it up. How have you missed it? Could it be YOUR media don't bother with such topics?IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 17, 2017 06:06 PM
http://www.goo gle.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/08/nc-motorists-who-hit-protestors-blocking-roadways-will-be-legally-protected-under-proposed-bill.amp.html http://www.google.com/amp/s/t hinkprogress.org/republican-lawmakers-in-6-states-are-trying-to-protect-drivers-who-hit-protesters-4da6e6ebaa59/amp/ Im not sure any of these bills have made it thru to law yet .. i know the ND one failed. But determining that the driver was taking "due care" is a,sticky wicket. A car is always going to do more damage than a person and we don't need a new law to apply due diligence to the circumstances. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 3000
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 06:19 PM
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 86815
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 07:33 PM
I just saw it on Facebook, which is about as credible a source as Crackpot. When I said the violence was equal, I meant the groups on both sides. I wasn't including the car.IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2659
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 08:44 PM
At any rate, US violence during world war 2 exceeded by far the violence of any other country.
Let's consider Hiroshima alone, without even nagasaki.Should they have refrained their "violence" ? IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2659
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 08:49 PM
I think it would be unfair to put an equal sign between someone who provoke and someone who reacts to provocationIP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 86815
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted August 17, 2017 10:48 PM
Yeah, reacting is far worse. We are responsible for our own actions. Equality relates to the results.IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2659
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2017 06:28 AM
So the US should not have reacted to pearl harbor by entering the war ? That is a new argument, I didn't know you thought like that. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 18, 2017 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by pire:
So the US should not have reacted to pearl harbor by entering the war ? That is a new argument, I didn't know you thought like that.
Right, we should never react to terrorists, if that's the case. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 18, 2017 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Yeah, reacting is far worse. We are responsible for our own actions. Equality relates to the results.
Provoking is far worse. If there was no provocation, there would be no need for a reaction. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 10805
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2017 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Yeah, reacting is far worse. We are responsible for our own actions. Equality relates to the results.
I can not imagine NOT reacting to Pearl Harbor.. nor can the brave men and women who were there. While we are responsible for our own actions/reactions/inactions, it can be in a positive light or a dark place. Not every shoe fits the same foot here and you are arrempting to be the shoe maker and seller. ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted August 18, 2017 08:27 AM
I am talking about individuals who need to take responsibility for their own actions. People who attack other people because they get their feelings hurt. These are emotionally immature individuals. To compare that to an act of war like a Pearl Harbor shows how truly out of touch some of your thinking is...not to mention how hypocritical.IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 10805
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2017 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I am talking about individuals who need to take responsibility for their own actions. People who attack other people because they get their feelings hurt. These are emotionally immature individuals. To compare that to an act of war like a Pearl Harbor shows how truly out of touch some of your thinking is...not to mention how hypocritical.
Every one on that Island was an individual and I`m not buying your shoes. You denounce ISIL as a murderous terrorist group (rightly so) You don`t place individual blame there. Why do you put white nazi groups above them
and denounce only a few violent ones?? A violent ideology is a violent ideology,yes? Is the difference that you disagree on all fronts with isil but adhere to much/some of the nazi group think? When do nazis or antifas if you like , as a group, get denounced as a whole not the naughty "few who were violent"? ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10546
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2017 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Node:
“If somebody does bump somebody, why should they be held liable?”
— Rep. Michael Speciale (R-North Carolina)
Hahaha  So this is your justification for saying legislators are trying to pass bills permitting protestors to be run down with vehicles. Laughable, inane, embarrassing  and more leftist bloviation. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2017 01:09 PM
Gave you two links jwhop, one from Fox.. but you want to pretend there's nothing there? Talk about fake news some people appear to be fake readers.. they only see what fits their argument.IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 86815
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted August 18, 2017 01:13 PM
We all hate Nazis. That goes without saying. What I am trying to convey is that they have a Constitutional right to assemble and speak and rally, despite how much we hate what they have to say. Only a fascist (like ANTIFA members) or just someone truly ignorant about the Bill of Rights would think otherwise. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2017 01:18 PM
then again it can be hard to trust Fox I know. I just included them for your sake. Talking of press twisting Presidents' words here's a little sample from Fox 3 years ago that backed you guys up - or did it warp your understanding? - when you hadn't yet been given the Fake News mantra
http://aattp.org/liars-at-fox-edit-obamas-speech-to-make-it-seem-li ke-hes-choosing-sides-in-ferguson-video/ It seems that in order to make Obama seem like he was taking sides with violent protestors they had to cut out certain parts of his speech. Sound familiar? IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 86815
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted August 18, 2017 02:30 PM
When I reference individual actions, I'm not talking about Nazis. How the hell you came to that conclusion is beyond me. I'm referring to people who get their feelings hurt (provocation) and then use that to justify committing violent acts. In this case, it would be the left I am referencing, of course.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2017 02:46 PM
They were not there because their feelings were hurt. That would be the white guys who fear being "replaced". That would be the crybaby whose threats to kick ass backfired on himRight or wrong they were there to confront what they consider fascism. And the signs, flags, torches and chants were pretty clear. Because no, it doesn't go without saying. It needs to be said. They need to be exposed for who they are. in what universe are torches and beatings the same as hurting people's feelings? It needs to be said without violence however. I understand the impulse but standing up snd hitting bavk are two very different ways of confronting evil IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10546
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2017 03:53 PM
Oh, you mean people illegally blocking roadways won't be protected..as in able to sue.. if they're struck by a vehicle of a person going about their lawful business?Hey ANTIFA, Hey Black Lives Matter and all the rest of the leftist thug choir; better confine your illegal thuggary to breaking storefront windows and setting police cars on fire. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2017 04:05 PM
In Fla if you hit a pedestrian because they're jaywalking.. will you be judged innocent by the law or insurance co? If they are killed will your inconvenience be an acceptable excuse?IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 86815
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted August 18, 2017 07:08 PM
Did you really just say fascists?  IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5201
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 18, 2017 07:17 PM
Not sure whom youre asking Randall.. but the only person using the word fascists on this page.. was youOnly a fascist (like ANTIFA members) IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 10902
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posted August 19, 2017 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
When I reference individual actions, I'm not talking about Nazis. How the hell you came to that conclusion is beyond me. I'm referring to people who get their feelings hurt (provocation) and then use that to justify committing violent acts. In this case, it would be the left I am referencing, of course.
That whole rally was by men who had their feelings hurt. That was the reason for the rally. IP: Logged |
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