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Randall
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posted August 17, 2017 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ASkrCbw0k8

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posted August 17, 2017 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, those who plug their ears and whine NANANANANANA don't care about truth--only what they are told to believe.

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posted August 17, 2017 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, Randall.. its late. And last i checked its not mandatory thst everyone respond to every post.

I have heard his words.. several times now.. but i have a drive ahead of me so not gonna watch this till tomorrow. But you might try considering that not everyone who criticizes Trump is either aHRC supporter or a fool.. or even a Democrat who watches CNN.

This guy gets at least that no one is convinced by bullying
http://m.facebook.com/events/1728719397142731?refid=52&ref=m_notif¬if_t=feed_comment_reply&__tn__=%2As-R

Don't know much about him or what else he gets but he puts the Charlottesville thugs to shame

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You all are some uneducated, delusional, racist, foolish sheep. Not to mention some Nazi apologists. Sick. You're all what's wrong with this country.

Lindaland is full of racists.

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Randall
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posted August 17, 2017 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's one thing to call a public figure a racist. It's quite a different matter to insult members of this site.

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posted August 17, 2017 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard his words. The media didn't twist anything.

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Randall
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posted August 17, 2017 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You heard what you wanted to hear, because you were told what those words meant. Words have context. President Trump was referring to the people who came there to peacefully protest the nonsanitizing of history by keeping the statue. Some weren't even right wing. And you inferred he was talking about some of the Nazis being fine people. He disavowed all the violent groups. Then he got pushback for not naming the group with the most distasteful ideology, so he then disavowed the Nazis specifically. So, you go on living in your fantasy world devoid of facts, because the truth doesn't matter to you.

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posted August 17, 2017 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not hear what I wanted to hear. I wanted him to denounce them. Stop being so rude.

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posted August 17, 2017 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He did denounce them. All of them, and specifically the driver and racism, bigotry, and violence, as well. He didn't say "Nazi." That wasn't good enough, because apparently fake news didn't report about neither the peaceful protesters, nor the other violent groups, so many people viewed that as unclear, since they were unaware of the facts. This is what happens with a dishonest press. The ACLU was present and tweeted about it, though. So, President Trump went and specifically denounced Nazis and white supremacists (more than once), but maybe the Crackpot News Network didn't show that. Instead, they went unhinged and lied saying that Trump was a Nazi sympathizer.

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posted August 17, 2017 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is funny that you say lefties are being told what to think when, in my case : I watched the infrasturcture press conference entirely and reacted on the very moment, by my own standard if you will

I never watch CNN, or if I do on their live youtube, I stop right away to go and check the difference between them and fox news. In fact I sometimes watch fox news on youtube live, but it is often indigest.

It amaze me how partisan are the medias in the US

Lastly, it is funny you say people on the other side are being told what to think and you link a video of another preacher...but from your side

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posted August 17, 2017 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not a preacher. The actual facts. Most of the media gave up on facts long ago. They freely admit that it's their job to tell people what to think.

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posted August 17, 2017 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody is being told what to think. Yesterday when i quoted some of those peaceful protestors Randall you told me they were paid stooges because they said the antifa stood between them and some belligerent violent white thugs. YOUR SIDE of the press won't portray any good on the left just as you are accusing the MSM of doing to the right.

Yes Trump denounced the neoNazis and yes the left brought violence too.

But the party was started by mouthy internet haters determined to kick some butt and going after the non violent counter protestors from the very first opportunity, Friday night.

In Seattle Sunday there was a march that was much better because the people on both sides made the effort. I posted a vid by one of the organizers who was adamant that his people get the lesson. Many thought he was being soft but he pointed out it takes a REAL man to stand for what he believes without descending into chestbeating violence. He pointed out that it was NONviolence that made the 60s civil rights movement so powerful..There was no bloodbath Sunday. Tube left pelted the right with SillyString and glitter.

Its about time that everyone admitted that there is right and wrong on both sides and that both sides of the press exaggerate THEIR message.

This is not always as straightforward as telling us (ALL) what to think. Different people interpret the same thing differently.

Its only when we dig in and insist that our side is the only accurate/truthful side that it becomes a problem.

As I've said, I have conservative friends and its possible to talk about this stuff without insulting the others ' intelligence in fact its absolutely necessary unless we're going to descend into a civil war - of words or weapons -

The press is in a bad place right now. Trump antagonizing the outlets that see only his boorish side does not help.

I don't watch MSM.. oh and that INCLUDES FOX- except once in awhile to compare presentations. They are too big and corporate to pretend to be the little David popping off at Goliath anymore but at every turn they brag about how they are the Standalone standardbearers off TROOTH in a sea of sheep.

If it bleeds it leads
Bad news sells
there's a sucker born every minute...


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posted August 17, 2017 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As I've said, I have conservative friends and its possible to talk about this stuff without insulting the others ' intelligence in fact its absolutely necessary unless we're going to descend into a civil war - of words or weapons

I do as well and they are not bellicose name calling ones either. They can defend, discuss and interact on an adult intelligent level.

There is a sad difference between discussing political issues with a Conservative than an alt righter.
Thinking Bannon here and his defenders.

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posted August 17, 2017 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Everybody is being told what to think. Yesterday when i quoted some of those peaceful protestors Randall you told me they were paid stooges because they said the antifa stood between them and some belligerent violent white thugs. YOUR SIDE of the press won't portray any good on the left just as you are accusing the MSM of doing to the right.

Yes Trump denounced the neoNazis and yes the left brought violence too.

But the party was started by mouthy internet haters determined to kick some butt and going after the non violent counter protestors from the very first opportunity, Friday night.

In Seattle Sunday there was a march that was much better because the people on both sides made the effort. I posted a vid by one of the organizers who was adamant that his people get the lesson. Many thought he was being soft but he pointed out it takes a REAL man to stand for what he believes without descending into chestbeating violence. He pointed out that it was NONviolence that made the 60s civil rights movement so powerful..There was no bloodbath Sunday. Tube left pelted the right with SillyString and glitter.

Its about time that everyone admitted that there is right and wrong on both sides and that both sides of the press exaggerate THEIR message.

This is not always as straightforward as telling us (ALL) what to think. Different people interpret the same thing differently.

Its only when we dig in and insist that our side is the only accurate/truthful side that it becomes a problem.

As I've said, I have conservative friends and its possible to talk about this stuff without insulting the others ' intelligence in fact its absolutely necessary unless we're going to descend into a civil war - of words or weapons -

The press is in a bad place right now. Trump antagonizing the outlets that see only his boorish side does not help.

I don't watch MSM.. oh and that INCLUDES FOX- except once in awhile to compare presentations. They are too big and corporate to pretend to be the little David popping off at Goliath anymore but at every turn they brag about how they are the Standalone standardbearers off TROOTH in a sea of sheep.

If it bleeds it leads
Bad news sells
there's a sucker born every minute...


So, you admit that President Trump told the truth. There were thugs on both sides who caused the trouble and some fine people on both sides too.

That's the truth. So what's with all the leftist lunatics...in the press and on social media denying that the President castigated those whom they see as white nationalists, supremacists etc.? He did that. In addition, the President has renounced David Duke...repeatedly over the last 10-15 years and much more recently too.

The truth is that leftist lunatics need something to p*ss and moan about to make themselves feel better about getting their Queen of Corruption, Hillary The Corrupt soundly defeated last November. Trump is the name of the US President and all the p*ssing and moaning isn't going to change that. You're in for a very long 8 years.

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posted August 17, 2017 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@cat:
Foxxy is no longer #1 most watched~ btw. After Ailes died, all the misogyny practiced by the network [they are not alone, but remain #1 on this] came poring out. Their numbers have been shrinking ever since.

Had Trump made a press release immediately on Sat, or Monday morning condemning violent acts, and promising full extent etc. we might be in a different place right now. But I doubt it. His first actions did not do this! NOW, he is finally saying what his handlers wrote for him, and noticeably [for him] not deviating from script. He lost his opportunity, and people read into that what they will.

Two nights ago my city quietly removed four statues at midnight. Racial tensions were high before Fri. night, now there is a stillness. Everyone is being very polite. Careful one might say, as this town has one of the most corrupt police depts. in the country. We have a murder every day,
sometimes three. I read the city paper and they document WWWWH every week.

The four statues are headed to a confederate cemetery.
Most of these statues were created in the early 1960's when the equal rights movement was gathering steam. Most of them are poorly made, anatomically incorrect [the proportions all wrong] and will find better homes than public parks.

@Randall:

I might have missed you saying...but what area of law are you pursuing?

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posted August 17, 2017 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The violent acts were equal. It's the repugnant ideology of Nazis that is the issue, while the media and most of the left agree with ANTIFA. President Trump was waiting for the official word of what happened first, which is very prudent (perhaps uncharachteristically so), and he did condemn all parties involved. A politician would have said "Bad Nazi" and moved on. But President Trump has his own way of saying things. But I doubt anything would have made a difference. The media has been guessing and rewriting the intent behind President Trump's words from day one.

Constitutional law.

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posted August 17, 2017 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The violent acts were equal

No, they were not.
http://theoutline.com/post/2093/why-republicans-want-to-protect-drivers-who-run-over-protesters

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A reasonable person might say that, scared or not, someone who plows a car into dozens of people in a street should be held accountable for their actions. But in the wake of recent protest movements including Black Lives Matter, authoritarian state legislators across the country have been working to legitimize the act of crashing a car into people on the street if those people happen to be protesting.

Remember Standing Rock?

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North Dakota started the trend in January, with a bill in the aftermath of protests at Standing Rock that aimed to shield drivers who killed protesters with their cars from criminal and civil liability if they “exercised reasonable care.” The bill narrowly failed in the North Dakota House. In February, Tennessee state representative Matthew Hill proposed a bill that would have also banned lawsuits against drivers who hit peaceful protesters; Hill’s bill died in committee. The Florida Senate’s iteration of the bill, introduced in February, meanwhile, simultaneously created a misdemeanor for someone who “obstructs or interferes with the regular flow of vehicular traffic” and barred lawsuits against drivers who “unintentionally” hit protesters. The burden of proof would have been on the protester who was hit by the car; that bill died in committee. Rhode Island had a similar bill introduced in March; a week later, it was held for “further study.”

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Also in March, the North Carolina House of Representatives — a body of officials who currently represent districts that have been ruled by federal courts to be illegally and racially gerrymandered — passed a bill that would protect drivers who hit protesters from being sued by the victims, as Sarah Jones noted at The New Republic. “A person driving an automobile who is exercising due care and injures another person who is participating in a protest or demonstration and is blocking traffic in a public right-of-way, is immune from civil liability for the injury,” the bill says. “Due care” isn’t defined in the proposal.

So, now we have precedent on the books to disallow vehicular manslaughter-- if it happens in a protest?

How do you feel about that?

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"A reasonable person might say that, scared or not, someone who plows a car into dozens of people in a street should be held accountable for their actions. But in the wake of recent protest movements including Black Lives Matter, authoritarian state legislators across the country have been working to legitimize the act of crashing a car into people on the street if those people happen to be protesting."

BS

This lunatic is being held accountable for his actions. Including a possible charge of domestic terrorism to go along with a hate crime charge and murder..in one degree or another.

No republican is attempting to legitimize killing Americans as an act of protest.
The Cracker Jacks News Network in action!

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posted August 17, 2017 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, you forgive those who have tried to pass this through the legislature>? MANY TIMES.

In NC they succeeded.

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posted August 17, 2017 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually i believe all the bills trying to legalize running down protestors have been forwarded by Repubs. Correct me if im wrong (with an example please)

Not long ago it was the "rightist" press that was trying to make all the nasties out to be on the left. Did you know that a leftist was shot dead by aMilo supporter while trying to break up a fight at one of his gigs?

And Fox is busy criticizing Obama for speaking too hastily this week.. tho all he did was wrote Mandela's "no one is born hating.." which is very apt.

Its time to admit both - all- sides are more interested in scoring points than sorting anything out out or even coexisting. All of which gives the law and order freaks an excuse for more armed police on the streets. More censorship. More control.

Come on people... you don't have to smile but recognize your brother.

It is possible to be too cynical and that is NOT the opposite of "asleep".

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posted August 17, 2017 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
originally posted by Catalina:

"no one is born hating.."

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posted August 17, 2017 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So, you forgive those who have tried to pass this through the legislature>? MANY TIMES.

In NC they succeeded.


You say it's true. Then show us the bills you refer to and their authors. Simple enough to do...if it's true!

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Actually i believe all the bills trying to legalize running down protestors have been forwarded by Repubs. Correct me if im wrong (with an example please)

Not long ago it was the "rightist" press that was trying to make all the nasties out to be on the left. Did you know that a leftist was shot dead by aMilo supporter while trying to break up a fight at one of his gigs?

And Fox is busy criticizingObama footer speaking too hastily this week.. tho all her did was wrote Mandela's "no one is born hating.." which is very apt.

Its time to admit both - all- sides are more interested in scoring points than sorting anything out out or even coexisting. All of which gives the law and order freaks an excuse for more armed police on the streets. More censorship. More control.

Come on people... you don't have to smile but recognize your brother.

It is possible to be too cynical and that is NOT the opposite of "asleep".


Let's see you put up or shut up. Show the bills authorizing protestors to be run down by counter protestors...or anyone else.

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posted August 17, 2017 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
You say it's true. Then show us the bills you refer to and their authors. Simple enough to do...if it's true!

Check your eyeglass prescription first.

Then, go to the link I posted...

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posted August 17, 2017 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“If somebody does bump somebody, why should they be held liable?”
— Rep. Michael Speciale (R-North Carolina)

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