posted September 25, 2017 08:57 AM            

You may not like it, I may not like it, lord knows the Donald don`t like it but I will defend their right to indulge.

many team owners are in support of their rights as well.

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319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States holding that the Free Speech Clause of the First [quote]Amendment to the United States Constitution protected students from being forced to salute the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiancein school. The Court's 6–3 decision, delivered by Justice Robert H. Jackson, is remembered for its forceful defense of free speech and constitutional rights generally as being placed "beyond the reach of majorities and officials."

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posted September 25, 2017 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Public schools are government funded. Private employers are not. The First Amendment does not apply. Why is this so hard to understand?

These entitled brats are protesting a government that allowed them the opportunity to become millionaires? How socially unjust is that?

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The government allowed? I thought they were privately funded? As you say above.

posted September 25, 2017 01:35 PM            

It is not DTs job, not even allowed to him to tell people they have to stand for the anthem, nor how to manage their businesses.

And guess what, the public is thoroughly divided in their response to both his overreach and their kneeling. Mission accomplished and public distracted and divided once more 😝

posted September 25, 2017 01:44 PM            

And their employers are not objecting, the head of the government is .. in order to cow those employers, whom he doesnt like, and hasn't for decades.

posted September 25, 2017 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I quoted the SCOTUS decision of 1943 jwhop. Perhaps you would like to read that and drop your supercilious pretense of knowing it all.

I'm going to give you guys credit and assume that you can't be that stupid.. which leaves me with the only alternative.. deliberate stonewalling and gaslighting.

I remember well the outrage that was drummed up when Obama supposedly didn't put hand to heart in a similar scene. But teasel was just pointing out the irony of DT pretending he cares about the Form of respect even tho he considers himself above such things.

He is just stirring it with the NFL.. something he's been doing for decades

Meanwhile no power in PR and no grand gestures either. But by all means lets pretend its legal to try to force people to stand for the anthem.. it's not

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It is legal "to try" to force people to stand for the National Anthem. It's legal for the NFL and team owners to require players to not take any action which embarrasses the league or team....because of a clause in their contracts. It's legal for corporations to require dress codes and decorum among employees...some or all. It's legal for a company to instruct and enforce a non protest rule for employees on company time or company premises. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

As for any court ruling, no such ruling could strip the President's free speech rights from speaking on any subject he or she wishes.

One last thing. If Trump wants to really bear down on the NFL, NFL teams, MLB and the NBA looks for Trump's comments about "Anti-Trust" provisions of American law.

One more last thing

posted September 25, 2017 02:49 PM            

Wherever do you get that?

Taking the knee is an act of peaceful protest.

Trump has opened a can of worms that firmly encircle his own tweets.

Mess with American football? We knew you were going down [Trump].... just going to happen more quickly now. Football is Americas foremost religion.

posted September 25, 2017 06:40 PM            

You gents are overlooking the fact many owners support their players. Fired? Not happening.
Their owners give them the right so let Trump look as foolish as he wishs.

posted September 25, 2017 06:52 PM            

2. Berkeley is a private institution but you don't think they have the right to disallow certain people from spreading "unpopular" hate speech. (Like Coulter who is envisioning the NEED for Kill Squads to oust immigrants) But kneeling.. a body statement of supplication.. is "disrespectful " therefore "unpopular" and SHOULD BE PROHIBITED!!!!!

3. It matters not that private employers have the right to insist people stand for the Anthem because those employers are BACKING the kneelers right to express their opinion. That is also their right!

4. Your assumption that i haven't heard/ seen the hallowed "own words" of tweeter-in-chief is stale and presumptuously WRONG. You are the one who proudly refuses to check out the words of your obsession, HRC, and stick to your favourite detractors to fuel your (not) authoritative criticisms. 😂

YES DT's entitled to his opinion but this is a vendetta against NFL and a distraction from numerous real issues that are being buried in the news.

Let him deal with real issues re the sports leagues in adult ways instead of indulging his abusive nature at every opportunity.

posted September 25, 2017 07:33 PM            

72% to 28% and you're on the losing side...overwhelmingly!

posted September 25, 2017 10:45 PM            

Protesters are always "outrageous". Rosa Parks SAT IN THE FRONT OF A BUS OMFG!!!!

Football is highly overrated, a modern day substitute for the gladiators.. mass opiate fodder and a great advertising gig. That doesnt alter the fact thst the bosses are not complaining and the Big Cheeze is belching in the wind to distract from real news stories.

posted September 25, 2017 11:05 PM            

So let's keep our protest player cards neat and orderly.

posted September 26, 2017 07:27 AM            

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The Dems' idea of protesting is anarchy.

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How is what these players did "anarchy"? Peaceful protest is not anarchy.

A lot of the players who protested were black, and it's common knowledge that black (and Latino) neighborhoods tend to be very low income. A lot of these black athletes came from those neighborhoods, and know what their communities go through more than any of us do. Yes, they got wealthy, but that doesn't mean that they should forget about their upbringings. They likely still have friends and relatives that are still living in the "hood". And while these minority neighborhoods are starting to get rebuilt (mainly in the urban cores as it isn't as prevalent in the lower income suburbs, at least in southern California), they're for a new demographic (hipsters) rather than the existing demographic, also known as gentrification. Rather than helping them improve their status, they push them out. This spreads the problem out to the rural areas, as the gangs that were in West LA before gentrification are still there, and the gangs that are in Northeast LA, which is currently gentrifying, will likely still be there in 10 years.

I live in an area that's mainly Latino, many of whom are immigrants (not dangerous though), and there is a fear of Trump amongst them too, and with stuff like his divisive campaign, Charlottesville, and now this, it's pretty justified. Nobody should be scared of their President. A nation that discourages freedom of speech, regardless of viewpoint, is not free. Bush, while destroying the economy and taking the country to war over oil, NEVER stooped to the lows Trump has, less than a year into his presidency! Calling the citizens who pay taxes to you a cuss word is unacceptable no matter which way you look at it.

Astrologically, Neptune is in Pisces, Pluto is in Capricorn, and Uranus is shifting from Aries (which would be the election protests) to Taurus, which these protests are more in line with. Uranus is the planet of rebellion, and expect more protests like this when Uranus settles into Taurus for good. With Pluto going into Aquarius in a little over five years, the beginning of the Aquarian Age is not that far away, and the elites are feeling the heat, as you cannot stop an astrological transit from making its mark. People want their governments to be compassionate (Pisces) and not divisive and in the interests of the wealthiest people (Capricorn). Why is that bad? The current "capitalist" (the closest system to the current economic system is fascism because of the influence the wealthy have, though it's more of a mix of capitalism, socialism, and fascism) system has only made the rich richer and the poor poorer, while destroying the middle class.

posted September 26, 2017 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You must not see the news much. ANTIFA = anarchy

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posted September 26, 2017 12:59 PM            

Rosa did it on her own time while K. does his on the job. IMHO, it makes a difference .

posted September 26, 2017 01:48 PM            

I've seen posts from veterans, including family members and friends, who are perfectly fine with it. They say they fought to protect the constitution, giving all of us the right to peaceful protest.

Now those yelling through the anthem - that was disrespectful.