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posted September 28, 2017 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^"wrong he did lift it"

Early this AM

When did Hurricane Maria make landfall?

September 20th


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posted September 28, 2017 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How embarrassing ...for the leftist loons..who are still trying to establish the phony story that Trump failed to react to the problems in PR.

Hey leftists, there's 3,000 shipping containers of food, medicine, clothing, generators and other supplies sitting on docks in Puerto Rico waiting for local truck drivers to show up and transport them where they're needed. OR, was Trump supposed to send the trucks and drivers from our shores to do that too!

You leftists are in way over your heads with this phony meme...which is almost always where you find yourselves.

WaPo Pushes Propaganda Narrative Surrounding Puerto Rico Relief Efforts­
September 27, 2017
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After the devastation created by Hurricane Maria, Puerto Rico is in crisis everyone agrees with that overall sentiment. However, as we noted last weekend, the media reporting on the recovery issue is ridiculously politicized.

Hillary Clinton, her crew of sycophants, the democrats and their ideological leftist media cohorts are working earnestly to turn the Puerto Rico crisis into an anti-Trump false narrative. The media are exhausting themselves on propaganda instead of focusing on real issues of helping the people of Puerto Rico.

Today the Washington Post pushes a story of the U.S.N.S Comfort being ordered to Puerto Rico and claiming it was Hillary Clinton who forced the issue:

We saw this narrative coming last weekend and shared the ridiculous nature of it. The propaganda writer for the story, Dan Lamothe, needed to be challenged because it's just false; and he even admits he knows he's written a BS story.

The USNS Comfort is a 900 (length) x 100 (width) hospital. It was built by modifying a 1970's era oil tanker (old hull design non bulbous bow), and it weighs approximately 67,000 tons. It's essentially still an old oil tanker in water placement design; meaning it needs a port to receive it on arrival.

Additionally, it takes approximately five days to activate Comfort into service. Fueling, supplying, and the engineering to prepare for ocean passage of a massive vessel is a lengthy process. She also needs personnel to arrive and stage etc. All said, the logistics and engineering takes five days prep time.

When CTH challenged the WaPo author, Dan Lamothe, about this factual spin-up time, and how Comfort was ordered to prepare PRIOR to Clinton's tweeting about it, Lamothe admits Clinton didn't have anything to do with Comfort's activation.

USNS Comfort's activation was put on hold (stand down) because: A) there was no port that survived the storm in a capacity able to receive her; and B) the governor of Puerto Rico requested she not be sent.

Despite the misleading WaPo headline the author Dan Lamothe admits Comfort was activated prior to Clinton.

Then things just get silly:

That last response from Dan Lamothe tells you everything you need to know about journalists in general and WaPo writers specifically.

Notice how he intentionally left out the fact that USS Iwo-Jima and USS New York were on the Puerto Rico rescue mission: because they returned to port in Mayport, Florida.

Well, how exactly do supply missions work?
**(Yeah, these 2 US ships had already been to PR, dropped their cargos and returned to Florida!)**

There comes a point where leftist propaganda just becomes silly.

Puerto Rico is an island. The first job is to get the ports open. Every single aspect of relief and recovery is dependent on getting all ports operational. Nothing matters more.

That is exactly what FEMA, Homeland Security (coast guard), and the U.S. Navy understood even before the hurricane hit the island. All assets were staged to ensure the first job was to get the ports open.

The relief lag, and any supply deficiency, is specifically related to the time it took (and takes) to open the ports.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09 /27/wapo-pushes-propaganda-narrative-surrounding-puerto-rico-relief-efforts/#more-139056

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posted September 28, 2017 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not wrong because he decided to lift it. He also said just the day before .. that he was thinking about it but US shipping interests didnt like the idea.

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posted September 28, 2017 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Wrong because foreign flagged ships aren't or weren't needed. The harbors were blocked with sunken vessels, power was off including pumps to refuel vessels and all that needed to be corrected by the US Corps of Engineers and Naval salvage crews before any ships could offload at docks in Puerto Rico.

As of yesterday, there's 3,000 containers sitting on docks in PR waiting for local truck drivers to show up and transport them.

Trump's US lead emergency aid and supply is working and has been working just fine...in spite of all the leftist lunatic caterwauling to the contrary. The Governor of Puerto Rico disagrees with all you leftists...completely and has said so in several different venues.

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posted September 28, 2017 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The drumbeat of horseshiiite continues unabated from leftist lunatics attempting to make Puerto Rico...Trump's Katrina!
No sale leftists, take a cold shower.

FEMA Administrator Brock Long Explains Puerto Rico Recovery Issues…
September 27, 2017
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The U.S. media are being intentionally obtuse and in some cases downright false in their assertions of the primary problems for Puerto Rico. CTH has ongoing numerous conversations with recovery and relief efforts around the entire impacted island.

The most consequential logistical issue was port access for the arrival of relief supplies. That immediate and critical issue was met by the U.S. Defense Department, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security.

However as FEMA Director Brock Long outlines in this interview, albeit with diplomatic nuance, the Puerto Rican municipal government system has essentially collapsed. Government and public sector workers are not showing up to work, and the U.S. military is having to try and fill the roles of local officials within society.

The culture within the island nation is based around comfortable dependency, and Puerto Ricans are currently showing no capacity to care for themselves, their neighbors, or take action as individual communities to help their own recovery.

There are thousands of tons of relief supplies sitting in ports, 3,000 full containers, with the U.S. army ready to help load up Puerto Rican trucks for local delivery. However, the municipal governments and local transportation officials are not lifting a finger to get these supplies into their communities.

WATCH THIS VIDEO BELOW:

The lifting of the “Jones Act” to allow any flagged ocean carrier to deliver supplies is not needed because the ports are backlogged with ample supplies and fuel while the Puerto Rican government does nothing to transport them.

Neither FEMA, nor the DoD, can be expected to take the place of municipal authorities; yet that is exactly what it appears the Puerto Rican government expects.

FUBAR.

This is what happens when a culture of dependency is allowed to fester over generations. Yes, there are many Puerto Ricans who do not fit that narrow definition, however their numbers are in the minority. The vast majority of island residents have no concept of self-sufficiency, and the municipal workers reflect the same ideological mindset.

Domestic Puerto Rican truck drivers sit at home waiting for FEMA or the U.S. Army to arrive with breakfast, lunch and dinner. Meanwhile the cargo of foodstuffs and supplies they should be transporting sits in various Puerto Rican ports waiting for them to show up and do their job.

No amount of aid is going to help Puerto Rico until the people who live there agree to lift a finger and begin to help themselves.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/27/fema-administrator-brock-long-explains-puerto-rico-recovery-issues/#more-139089

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posted September 28, 2017 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trump is worried about his Wall Street pals

You saw those belated and telling tweets by Trump late Sunday night already. That's him, after a full week-end of wanking about the NFL protests to give his racist base something to live for, finally deciding to acknowledge that a catastrophe was unfolding in Puerto Rico. But he couldn't help but mention Puerto Rico's debt which was clearly a topic that had been discussed in the White House.

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posted September 28, 2017 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Experts see even the offer that was made by the bondholders less as a gift and more as a backdoor for creditors associated with the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority, or Prepa, to take advantage of the disaster by enriching themselves. Offering a desperate population the ability to drown themselves in even more debt is hardly generous.

The Prepa Bondholder Group has offered the island’s utility a $1 billion debtor-in-possession (DIP) loan, and a separate swap of $1 billion in existing bonds for another $850 million DIP note. This money would be immediately available for restoring electric power. In all, the deal includes $150 million in debt cancellation on roughly $9 billion in outstanding Prepa bonds.

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posted September 28, 2017 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No amount of aid is going to help Puerto Rico until the people who live there agree to lift a finger and begin to help themselves.

With what? Just what options do the citizens of P.R. have to help them selves?

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posted September 28, 2017 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ridiculous, before the hurricane struck PR, FEMA had already pre-staged some equipment and supplies. Oh, and according to news reports, there's 10,000 containers full of food and everything else sitting on docks in PR. Along with more than 10,000 FEMA and other relief personnel on Puerto Rico.

I know leftists have a limited capacity to handle more than one thing at a time. Fortunately, Trump is a multi-tasker and able to handle lots of different problems at the same time.

Gee, I'll bet Trump spent less than 1 (one) hour tweeting and talking about NFL players disrespecting the flag, the National Anthem and protesting America. Oh, and by the way, UP THEIRS!

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posted September 28, 2017 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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With what? Just what options do the citizens of P.R. have to help them selves?



Oh, I just don't know juni but going into their government and private jobs...like driving the trucks to haul food and other essentials to where it's needed...would be a hell of a good start. Don't you think? Or, was Trump supposed to send trucks from the mainland and the drivers to drive them too?

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posted September 28, 2017 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They can't get gas remember? Fema et al have taken over what infrastructure there is.

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posted September 28, 2017 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you propose they get to those jobs? No gas,limited food, roads blocked and their lives upside down.

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posted September 29, 2017 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/27/heres-why-its-so-difficult-for-the-us-military-to-help-puerto-rico/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

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posted September 30, 2017 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mayor is staying in a shelter along with her constituents.

These are Americans albiet mostly poor ones... yet American s.

How can we fight over them like they are toys???

Facts are facts. Perceptions and bias will not feed and cloth these people.

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posted September 30, 2017 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Prez and his acolytes use the geography as an excuse while blaming the victims for not doing more.. The victims who do not have ships, fuel, drones, helicopters.. or homes.. on that island they cant get off...

Of course there are mercenaries over there too.. airlines have jacked up their prices making evacuation difficult for all but the wealthiest.

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posted September 30, 2017 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/san-juan-mayor-tells-liberal-media-getting-no-help-trump-stands-front-pallets-aid/?mtcid=cf

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posted September 30, 2017 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Seriously, you are going to poke fun of a mayor in the middle of a human disaster?
Put your self in her shoes and walk her mile.

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posted September 30, 2017 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her shoes? She should be delivering those supplies via her shoes, instead of acting for the cameras every day in front of Trump-hating media outlets.

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posted September 30, 2017 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree--facts are facts. The facts are that the PR workers are on strike. They say that they will help deliver aid if they are paid $50 an hour. That's what President Trump was referencing when he said they won't help themselves. Compare that to Texas, where not only did the citizens join in on the rescue efforts, but people from outside of Texas did also.

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General Honoré responded to a question about Trump’s attacks on San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz with a clear contrast between the two political leaders. “The mayor’s living on a cot, and I hope the president has a good day at golf,” he quipped, highlighting yet another example of the clueless sense of privelege that underlies all of Trump’s blathering about the situation.

General Honoré also had some practical advice for the president to improve the government’s response:

“[Trump should] order the NORTHCOM commander to be on scene. She has the order to give Gen. Buchanan anything he needs, and that’s what’s needed right now. We need more boots on the ground to help kick-start the system.”

As the president luxuriates at his private golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico continues, with Lt. General Jeff Buchanan, the military official in charge of the U.S. response to the crisis in Puerto Rico, acknowledging that the number of troops and equipment dedicated to the Puerto Rico recovery efforts were currently woefully insufficient.

General Honoré had warned earlier this week in an interview with Bloomberg that the Trump administration’s response to the Maria crisis in Puerto Rico was giving him a bad case of deja vu.

“It’s kind of like Katrina: We got it. We got it. Oh, s–t, send in the cavalry,” Honore said on Wednesday. “This is a hit on White House decision making.”

He said that personnel and equipment should have been shipped to the island well in advance of the catastrophe and the military given greater authority much sooner.

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posted September 30, 2017 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So some PR workers are looking for pay. Others are looking for ways to help. And fuel to drive with. unlikely there will be many reporters in the ground since there is no transport.. and when it comes to neighbours helping, well they don't have the means the military does to get there.. tho plenty of private individuals and groups are doing everything they can

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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/fellow-puerto-rico-mayor-shreds-san-juan-mayor-cruz-shes-not-participating-fema-meetings/?mtcid=cf

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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/?mtcid=cf

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Originally posted by Randall:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.co m/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/?mtcid=cf


Randall, regarding your gateway pundit links, at least you are throwing all your cards into the alt right basket

I`m pretty certain those white supremacists the gateway indulges are Puerto Rican haters too. Maybe misogynist as well.

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The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes.

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The Gateway Pundit is a hard-right website that is not afraid of conspiracy
theories and the occasional flirtation with outright white supremacists.

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Originally posted by Randall:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.co m/2017/09/smoking-gun-san-juan-teamsters-didnt-show-work-distribute-relief-supplies-us-aid-rotting-ports/?mtcid=cf

Something leftists haven't come to grips with...yet. Facts are pesky things which pop up at the most inconvenient time to put the kibosh on leftist lies.

There's more than 10,000 shipping containers sitting on Puerto Rican docks...undelivered and the Mayor of San Juan is screeching and shrieking that the President isn't doing anything to help. That fact..10,000+ shipping containers of aid waiting for Puerto Rican truckers to deliver the relief goods also blows the leftist meme all to hell.

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