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Topic: Logical Fallacies of Government Shutdown
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 07, 2019 03:14 PM
  
I can't quite understand people who claim a shutdown is but a miniscule inconvenience. But i can appreciate that some people aren't waiting for the Empath in Chief to care about the rest of us.
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/muslim-youth-group-cleans-national-parks-government-shutdown? And i find it very ironic that the mogul famous for hiring and underpaying foreign workers is going to have to pay top dollar to get builders for his monument, since immigrant labour will be hard to find. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 07, 2019 03:35 PM
It seems DT can't decide if the "border is tight" or if we have a security crisis there.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/05/us/border-wall.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer More irony:
Apparently only CNN, his ***** outlet, have agreed to air him in place of prime time programs tomorrow night... why they even give him the time of day is beyond me IP: Logged |
iQ
Moderator Posts: 5736
From: Lyra
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 07, 2019 03:40 PM
From Benjamin Fulford's website today:"Meanwhile, the shutdown of the U.S. government, now entering its third week, is likely to lead to the declaration of martial law, the sources say. The unfolding scenario will see military intervention after unpaid prison guards and airport security walk off the job, while food stamp recipients start hunger riots. " Fulford has made many accurate predictions about the Trump Adminsitration Decision thanks to some CIA/Pentagon Insiders giving him regular info.
According to his earlier essays, Trump is a Pentagon Puppet who will do whatever Pentagon demands because they have all the goods on him from NSA spying. Fulford is talking of Trump shutting down Federal Reserve and IRS as well to create a Global Economic Reset in 2019. POssibly a compete devaluation of the US dollar, shutting down all US Bases abroad and total inulsation of USA from the Global Economy. It does not look good so far, with an infantile obsession about the Wall from Trump. Texas has 800 miles of the 2000 mile border, why not initiate a Wall first on 50% of the Texan border as an experiment, as there full control is with GOP? It would cost only 1 billion dollars which can be funded by Thiel, Adelson, Koch and Mercer privately. If it works, then Trump can make it an election issue for himself. No reason to shutdown the government and completely wreck the functioning of the United States. If there were an actual Evil Foreign Conspiracy to destroy US Citizens, then it would be done by a Foreign Power that unleashes deadly biological weapons knowing that there are no CDC Staff or Emeregency Services to assist millions of Americans. Any Foreign Power that has heavy hacker access can also simultaneously wreck the Power Grid without detection. No one to blame and trillion dollar losses. Sadly, there has been no effort to counter such inimical forces in the past 2 years. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 09, 2019 02:30 PM
People at the border keep saying the only crisis is the shutdown, not the shut out
http://truthout.org/articles/mayor-of-texas-border-town-trumps-wall-is-pointless/ IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2019 05:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
People at the border keep saying the only crisis is the shutdown, not the shut out
http://truthout.org/articles/mayor-of-texas-border-town-trumps-wall-is-pointless/
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mirage29
Knowflake Posts: 10875
From: us
Registered: May 2012
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posted January 09, 2019 08:08 PM
Ripple effects.. !!
(it's affecting me).I had to call and cancel a Dentist appointment I had scheduled, because I'll be needing those funds over the next weeks for buying groceries.
Represents a "loss of revenue" for my dentist's business.  It is also drying up and affecting services at volunteer job I work. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 10, 2019 01:13 AM
Hope you know where your food comes from😉
http://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/health/shutdown-fda-food-inspections.html?
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mirage29
Knowflake Posts: 10875
From: us
Registered: May 2012
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posted January 10, 2019 12:31 PM
heh-heh!  ^ "F.D.A. inspectors normally examine operations at about 160 domestic manufacturing and food processing plants each week.
Nearly one-third of them are considered to be at high risk of causing food-borne illnesses.
Food-borne diseases in the United States send about 128,000 people to the hospital each year, and kill 3,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention." Stock tip???!!!!! *sarcasm*!  Sounds like it's going to be a "good financial year" for some of our Senators and govt reps who "own" businesses (and stocks) in Health Care Systems, Hospitals, …. maybe even ambulance companies???. AND!!! ~~ It should prove to be a very good year for the Undertaker! crematories, caskets, etc. Another thing--
I saw articles having to do with the Financial Standing of the USA? We have FALLEN BEHIND, with little chance of owning our "crown" as Economic Best again. There seems to be no more categories where we, globally, rate as Best In, in the world anymore.  Can USA have to go "bankrupt"?
(real question)
from unintended "real" consequences..
{God forbid!) IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 12352
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 10, 2019 12:49 PM
Government Shutdown Won’t Affect Food Benefits in February
MICHELLE MOONS
9 Jan 2019
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/government-shutdown-wont-affe ct-food-benefits-february/ The sky is falling, falling, falling...say all the Chicken Littles!  IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 12, 2019 03:16 PM
Well it's a new record for the man who must have his superlatives😉 congrats on the longest ever shutdown/ most days ever!IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 12, 2019 03:55 PM
The last budget gave him the funding he asked for. So he upped the amount without using those funds for the prescribed purpose? How much will he insist on next week? Just another daily scam in Scammersland.
http://youtu.be/L8zwoh1iotY
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 13, 2019 02:53 PM
And then there's the obvious fact that the real crims have a great many ways of getting through, and around, the wall, often right under BP's noses; underground, in the air and water, and thru checkpointsThe other obvious elephant in the room... while he had a solid majority in both houses, we heard very little about the Emergency making the wall necessary. The Emergency appears to be to discredit the Dems and divert from the investigative circus. Especially since his bragging in December about how perfect our security was.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-metro-el-chapo-trial-evidence-trump-border-wall-20190112-story.html IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 15, 2019 06:38 PM
So.. how many weeks could anyone here go without any income? Just as in the past he stiffed contractors and labourers, Orangeman continues to act like he thinks slavery is still legal. These are not entrepreneurs and contractors but wage earners. Transport, border and park staff all being stiffed, tho the BLM is apparently open to enable drilling on public lands. Guessing this article has something to do with the newly reupped Bezos vendetta from Twittermeister ( tho the ongoing fact that he is much more successful than Drumkopf must really smart too)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/14/compelled-work-without-pay-federal-employees-sue-trump-violating-th-amendment/?utm_term=.6afca87a9135 IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 15, 2019 06:51 PM
When will this be? There is no guarantee they will be paid until the First Ego is assuaged, and how much is up to Congress. Unless of course jwhop knows more than those actually experiencing this
No one will be working without pay. That's bullshiite. They will be paid...including the non-essential employees when the budgets for their agencies are passed.
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 15, 2019 09:31 PM
This is sickening and the don needs a reality check.
Dump the fake wall $$ and get honest Americans back to getting their paychecks and paying taxes to keep the don fed by hard working people.------------------
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2019 01:36 PM
Some things never change. Here is DT stiffing contractors again
http://www.wsj.com/articles/shutdown-is-a-hellacious-situation-for-federal-government-contractors-11547634603? IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2019 01:59 PM
Shutting down the State of the Union address:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nancy-pelosi-trump-state-of-union-779927/? IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 16, 2019 09:37 PM
http://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings?utm_source= IP: Logged |
ballerina
Moderator Posts: 338
From: A Place on Earth
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted January 16, 2019 09:52 PM
Every action has a re-action..The Berlin Wall comes down...
Trump, wants to build a wall...
When will wisdom reign? ------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 6458
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 18, 2019 11:36 AM
Customs and Border Protection's radical new approach to a wall-the boring truth17 Jan 2019 Quartz REUTERS/Adrees Latif Donald Trump has made sure everyone knows what he wants in terms of border security: $5.7 billion for a border wall he says is going to protect the US and bring relief to overstretched Border Patrol agents. But what about the agency that employs those agents? On Wednesday, the US’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP) presented its own wish list during a press conference that was notable for its lack of flash, political zingers, or full names (the officials who held it asked not to be identified). CBP officials want a “border wall system” that includes more technology, more manpower, and new infrastructure, but they never mentioned a coast-to-coast wall, which Trump once proposed. A barrier is not effective without technology or access roads, they said, and technology is less effective without barriers. There’s “no one” solution that will prevent people from crossing the border, a senior official who has over 20 years of border experience emphasized.“Every situation will be different.” It’s a far cry from Trump’s incendiary, myth-laden demands for the wall, and Homeland Security secretary Kirstjen Nielsen’s incomplete Congressional testimony and inaccurate statements. CBP’s relatively neutral message Wednesday was a potent reminder of how deeply politicized the “border wall” fight has become through Trump’s presidency. Even inside CBP, one union head has emerged as a key Trump ally on the wall, while another union is suing him over the government shutdown. Meanwhile, its employees are among those who are not being paid. As the shutdown drags on, the wall debate has become a political power struggle that has little to do with an actual physical barrier or the situation on the border. Trump missed his best chance for wall funding when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress last March, and has been struggling to get traction on the project since. A bipartisan bill that would have kept the government open didn’t include any wall funds, so he refused to sign it. Now a new crop of Democrats, elected in part by voters who disagree with his immigration policy, are refusing to budge an inch. CBP officials at the press conference didn’t hew to one ideology or another, instead sticking to what they learned on the ground. In the Rio Grande Valley area, for example, there are “criminal elements” trying to cross the border who may never intend to be legal residents of the US, said one of them. But there are also “folks who are literally stepping foot onto US soil and giving themselves in to agents,” hoping to seek asylum. The CBP needs resources to process asylum seekers’ claims, not a wall to stop them from doing so, he indicated. The CBP’s somewhat nuanced portrayal of the border’s reality isn’t likely to make the immigration hawks that helped elect Trump happy. Ann Coulter, the far-right talking head, recently blasted Trump for failing to produce the coast-to-coast impermeable barrier he promised. Trump won because he “said many illegal immigrants are rapists and are bringing drugs and crime to the United States,” and called for “building a wall along the southern border.” In an interview published this week, she said the president may be the “worst negotiator God ever created,” for failing to get wall funding when Republicans controlled Congress. Not surprisingly, CBP officials ducked any question that could be construed as contradicting Trump outright. They refused to answer how much more of the US’s 2,000-mile border with Mexico should be walled, referring the question to the White House. “We don’t speak for the president,” said one, when pressed on whether CBP agrees with Trump’s reasons for the $5.7 billion demand for border security. The White House has “been out in front in terms of how they define the crisis,” said another. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11174
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 18, 2019 11:48 AM
This mirrors my opinion precisely quote:
As the shutdown drags on, the wall debate has become a political power struggle that has little to do with an actual physical barrier or the situation on the border. Trump missed his best chance for wall funding when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress last March, and has been struggling to get traction on the project since. A bipartisan bill that would have kept the government open didn’t include any wall funds, so he refused to sign it. Now a new crop of Democrats, elected in part by voters who disagree with his immigration policy, are refusing to budge an inch.
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 12352
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 18, 2019 12:42 PM
Leftists get introduced to reality!In border areas where there's no wall/barrier, crime is rampant. In border areas with an actual wall/fence/barrier, crime is down substantially. IP: Logged |
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